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  1. 6 points
    Only mistake the IOC made (with hindsight admittedly) with Pyeongchang is going there 4 years late. This in 2014, & Sochi wouldn't have happened, & it's not a big leap to think that we'd now be watching Munich 2018 - handing off to Oslo on Sunday week. To be fair to IOC, I don't think anyone could've seen in 2007 just how bad it would get, & at the time it felt like a good, positive step, but as it turned out, picking Sochi over PC ended up being possibly the worst decision they ever made.
  2. 5 points
    Of course he is - he’s been spitting his dummie for the past 7 years. Quite honestly, PC doesn’t have to do much beyond getting through the 16 days unscathed to already start to repair some of the damage done to the WOGs reputation that Sochi’s big spending did.
  3. 4 points
    RE: the thread title. I'd suggest the nation that ran a state sponsored doping scheme whilst hosting has a bigger claim.
  4. 3 points
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/42242007
  5. 3 points
    New fly-through video posted yesterday of LAX's automated people-mover, scheduled to start construction this year, to be completed by 2023:
  6. 3 points
    Wow! Just read Rob Livingstone’s #GamesBids tweet, and it turned out that was him, CAF, Olympian2004 and StefanMuc in the Oktoberfest spew segment. Good onya guys, you did the board proud and brought a lump to my throat! Thought it was a classy touch having the country names in the parade of nations engraved on the bier steins carried by the busty waitresses. Pity the poor lass who had to carry the “Olympic Athletes from Russia” steins, but at least she had big enough bazoongas to support them all.
  7. 3 points
    Overall, I was happy with what I saw. I kept my expectations a little lower, given the stadium itself, as well as the country's budget being far lower than Sochi, but overall, I was happy. I did not find myself getting chills up my arms like I did during Beijing or Rio, but I still enjoyed the show. Here are a few summed up positives and negatives, for me: Pros Seatback Lighting. I really like the use of this during ceremonies, and I really like how they used it during the Parade of Nations. Also distracted from the open seats throughout the venue. Parade of Nations. I loved the incorporation of popular Korean songs, including "Hand in Hand" from Seoul 1988. It also went much faster, which is something I hope we can keep for future Games. Sometimes they just seem entirely too long. The kids. I always love when kids are the main focus of the ceremony, which leads me into my next point Focus on the future. I was praying they wouldn't go the historical route and end up repeated Nagano 1998, and I was very glad they didn't. Plus, it gave the world a good glimpse into what Korea is trying to be, and I think they should be proud of themselves for it, like they were in 1988. Cauldron Lighting. I am very glad Yuna Kim did it, I expected no one else. Fireworks. For some reason I liked these much better than Sochis, which was odd. Much more variety. The ski/snowboard/drone video, definitely a major highlight was the rings made by drones Unified Korea. While it may have been a political stunt, it was surely an Olympic moment, and it was definitely a sight to see. Cons Somewhat disorganized. Videos and performances didn't seem to follow any sort of narrative or story, and it was confusing to bounce back between old Korea and future Korea. The amount of videos. I would've been somewhat disappointed/pissed if I got all the way out there to spend most of my time in my seat watching a video I could've been bundled up on my couch watching. Somewhat Lackluster. None of the performances really made me say "wow, what I would do to be there right now". The Unified Korea and Yuna Kim had that affect for me, but no musical or theatrical performance, which was weird for me. In London, during the entire part devoted to British music, I continuously thought "oh what I would do to be in London right now, singing the Beatles at the Olympics", and in Rio, "oh what I would do to see Gizelle Bundchen walk to 'The Girl from Ipanema' in front of mock favelas". Nothing like that here. The NBC broadcasting. I was very upset that certain parts of the ceremony were cut from the NBC broadcast due to "time constraints", but they HAD to send over an hour, if not more, of the allotted three doing interviews/descriptions of Team USA members. I know that's where the money lies and many in the US only care about Team USA, but I am very upset that I now have to go watch a version without commentary at a later date in order to see the full ceremony. Empty seats. Very unfortunate to see, and as stated, they tried to cover it up, but it was apparent that that stadium was not filled. Overall though, I was happy with the show. Maybe it's my optimistic nature, or the length of time between the Games that allows me to be much less critical when they come on for the first time (I will get critical when the hype goes away), but I was happy. What matters is if the OC spoke to South Koreans and the nearby Chinese, because if it did, then ticket sales will rise for people trying to get to last minute events or maybe even the closing ceremony, and Pyeongchang needs that boost right now. I'm excited for more Olympic events though!
  8. 3 points
    Calgary is going to bid. Canada sent a ministerial delegation, the GG, Mayor Nenshi and almost the entire COC executive. Canada is bidding.
  9. 3 points
  10. 3 points
    Now I will recapitulate the Rings Formations segments on the Opening Ceremonies of the WG. Sarajevo 1984. It seems to be the very first ring formation segment for the WG. Calgary 1988. There were not a ring formation segment itself, but ther were made up by the attending audience by wearing those ponchos creating the olympic flag as a human mosaic. Also they made up the year "88" from the Look of the Games. Albertville 1992. There were not a ring formation segment either, but they were projected on the floor. I think, the very first rings projections in an Opening Ceremony. Lillehammer 1994. Despite it was not a segment itself, the rings formation was made up by the children choir forming a human mosaic wich was present at the beggining and during the parade of nations. Salt Lake 2002. One of the most original and innovative rings formation ever: rings of fire on ice. It was replied two years after in Athens by forming fire rings on water. Torino 2006. A high tech rings formation. After a choreography of the "sparks of passion" where (yet not) rings got up and down, finally they were unified along a fireworks display. It was a splendid background for the Nations Parade. One of the most memorable ring formation ever! Vancouver 2010. With not a ring formation segment, the beggining of the ceremony was starred by the snowboardist jumping through the snow exploding rings which gave us a stunning footage of that Opening Ceremony. Sochi 2014. Probably the comented most rings formation ever by the media due to the big fail: One of the rings did not open! It was supossed to set them in a fireworks display after their formation but they didn't. Russian TV aired images of the dress rehearsal to "heal" that moment.... For the closing ceremony they made a parody of that fail! Like it was supposed to be The parody at the Closing Ceremony making fun of themselves... BONUS TRACK My favorite rings formation ever One of the most iconic footages of all Olympic Ceremonies. Los Angeles 1984 rings with those golden balloons still is one of the most amazing shoots ever! Beijing 2008. Due to its huge originality and the wow factor... The rings seemed to be coming out from the screen on the floor... Amazing! On the other hand it's the simplicity but not out of originality. The Rio 2016 rings formation by the trees and the expliding confettis is one of the most memorable ones.
  11. 2 points
    I do not think PyeongChang 2018 is a bad edition. I believe that many will miss it when it arrives in Beijing 2008 with the lack of snow, in fact someone has images of how it is today to the mountains where the next games will happen? Brazil does not suffer from economic crisis because of 'Rio 2016', do not forget that we are a US $ 3 trillion economy. The Brazilian economic crisis was built through deficit in public accounts, social security problems, corruption and manipulation of prices and credit. I think unfortunately the Olympics have become too big and the IOC does not change its ideology, the IOC increases the amount of sports and it does not realize that this is killing the Olympics. The "failure" of PyeongChang is the result of the policy adopted by the IOC. What I regret is that since Vancouver 2010 we do not see these games being hosted in a country genuinely identified with winter sports. Where is Munich? Switzerland? Austria? France? Norway Japan? All of them have full conditions to receive an edition. But the IOC prefers artificial cities like PyeongChang, Sochi and Beijing.
  12. 2 points
    Rio didn't 'glorify slums'....it celebrated high rise living- a celebration of all the peoples of their great cities, from the super wealthy in their penthouses, to the poorest in the favelas. I actually thought that was rather brilliant and inclusive.
  13. 2 points
    The great thing about NBC setting the schedule for the blue riband events so they take place in US prime time, is that no matter where in the world the games are, we Aussies can wake up to a morning full of live broadcasts of the marquee events taking us right through to lunchtime. Perfect for those of us who take games time off and consider this morning session to be real prime time for watching. What sucks about Aussie coverage is that no matter where in the world the games are and what it’s actually happening live at the time, our formal evening prime time coverage consists of pre-recorded packages of the athlete’s “journeys” and those same athletes being asked into the studio to comment on their personal best in ranking 46th in that day’s ladies combined cross country round robin biathlon heats while playing the tape of that event at least five times. * Oh, and i apologise for in the past berating American TV viewers as pussies for not being able to countenance the idea of watching a winter games in their summer months and thus allowing the Kiwis to host one south of the equator. It really does kinda suck and seem strange to be watching moguls and hearing the commentators talk about minus temperatures and chill factors while you’re sitting in front of the fan trying not to sweat too heavily on a stinking hot and humid Sydney summer day.
  14. 2 points
    About the quietness of the crowd, you guys have to remember culture in Korea and Japan is very different. They strongly believe in not causing discomfort to others as much as possible, hence why many don't tend to be noisy/speak too much in public. So it's kind of normal on this case. Also the fact this is a 35.000 stadium. Well, as promised, I am posting a more detailed review of the Opening Ceremony, now that i've rewatched it. I will also divide it according to the official name of each of the segments. The Land of Peace (Countdown - Welcome segment) The intro video with the airport was pretty nice, actually. The posters countdown was reminiscing of London and Torino, but in a very original manner. I knew the Gowjlseon Temple was going to have a moment on the ceremony with the Korean Bell. The story about the kids was fun/heartwarming, though at moments reminded me a lot of Narnia. I really liked how many national treasures of Korea were shown during this segment. The Tiger, Phoenix, Dragon and Turtle were a nice nod to the Four Cardinal Points of asian culture. While that strange birdman creature is kind of being meme'd at the moment by korean netizens, in truth this creature also appears at the ancient Goguryeo mural paintings. The formation of the constellation dome seemed to have been prerecorded, though i'm not pretty sure. Overall, i think the welcoming segment of Sochi was better in comparison because it had more consistence and wow factor (even with the infamous Olympic ring glitch) Taegeuk: Harmony of the Cosmos (National Flag) This part was actually pretty nice, though the drum performers coming from underground was heavily reminiscing of the Beijing 2008 Chinese characters segment. The dancing around the central performers was very well coordinated, and the central drummers forming the Taegeuk felt like a nod to the Seoul 88 logo when it was formed during its respective opening. I liked the use of the Joseon military band for the entrance of the flag (a nod to Seoul 88 as well when the Olympic Flag entered, though the music this time didn't sounded as creepy). The national anthem was ok, not bad but it would had been nice having someone like Sumi Jo instead of a children choir. At least better executed than that hideous Olympic Anthem from Rio 2016 (The Rainbow Choir is formed also by kids from many other countries, even though the majority are korean) Parade of Nations Now this was a very good, fluid and quick Parade. The organizers had to make it this way in order to save time because of the harsh weather of last night. The use of "Hand in Hand" to start the parade was a nice touch (as well for Gangnam Style when USA entered). Placard Bearers were also very original. Like most of you, I had complicated feelings with the Unified Korean team, I still dont think North Korea deserved this (and I still think SK president needs to stop trying too hard to please Kim). My main complaint about the parade of nations was the overall quietness of the spectators, then again, like I explained above, is probably a matter of regional culture or just the harsh weather. I hope they become more cheerful during the games. Arirang The River of Time Now, this segment was very confusing at first, and I just managed to understand it by reading the program. The storm symbolizing the turmoils Koreans had to face through their history ( but ultimately overcoming them represented by a river (which fits with the Miracle on Han River motif) was a nice idea, but I felt this segment felt kind of flat and very short. Not particularly impressive. All For the Future The vision of the future for South Korea was kind of interesting though maybe a bit too sci-fi for some people tastes. The led frames were nice, though I feel they borrowed a bit too much from Tokyo 2020 handover ( i wouldn't be surprised some Japanese have accused them already of plagiarism, given they have already accused Korea of plagiarism in the past). The light pillar was pretty nice, though. Peace in Motion (Dove segment - Rings) Like many of you said already, the formation of Doves was pretty nice, but using the song "Imagine", again? There are many other songs out there, hell, they could had even made a new song, but they had to recur to an overused song. That kind of killed this segment for me. And then, there's the drones segment. Probably my biggest issue with this ceremony. This could had been a spectacular segment if done live and if the drones were actually in the stadium. But nope. They went for pre-recorded stuff instead. That ruined a big opportunity for a memorable segment in the history of Olympic ceremonies, which was a big shame, even if it looked spectacular on TV. Olympic Flag-Anthem Much, much better than the horrid engrish Olympic Anthem of Rio 2016 with those kids. Glad to hear the anthem in Greek once more after a long while. Lightning of the Cauldron The music was pretty nice, this segment was picking a lot of climax when the last two torchbearers climbed through the LED stairs. Yuna Kim, even if it was super-predictable, was still cool, with that small figure skating rink and everything. But then....that horrid cylinder which came from underground kind of ruined the whole segment. I honestly think Yuna should had lit the cauldron the traditional way, but this last part felt both uninspired and rushed. You can tell they ran out of ideas at that point. Maybe they should had scrapped this as they planned to two weeks ago when Reuters leaked it. Also, when I saw the smileys fireworks I instantly thought "RIPOFF". It looked almost exactly to Beijing 2008 smileys fireworks used during the "You and Me" segment. Wish Fire The masked dancers were actually meant to represent Dokkaebi, which are creatures in Korean folk (very similar to goblins or the Onis of japanese myth) which love to make pranks and have fun. I think the bonfire show was actually pretty good and helped make up for the rather disappointing fireworks used for this Opening Ceremony. Again, though, it wasn't 100% original, as it reminded me a lot of the bonfire segment of Albertville '92 closing right after the cauldron extinction. Overall Review: 7.5/10 It was a very solid ceremony, which didn't felt tedious and was quick to the point. The parade of nations was one of the best organized i've seen in an Olympic ceremony. However, the fact the show depended so much of pre-recorded videos, as well for lacking originality at times makes it hard for me to give it a higher score. Still though, it still had the spirit of an Olympic Ceremony and did its job. The wow factor was certainly slightly bigger than Rio. I think we all have to resign to the fact low budget ceremonies are the way to do things now, thanks to the whole mess brought in by Sochi. However, as someone mentioned, low budget can be a good thing because it will force organizers to innovate more. I hope the Closing Ceremony is an improvement of what we saw today, though. The fact Zhang Yimou will direct the Beijing 2022 handover is almost a guarantee we will be up for at least eight awesome minutes. However I want to see what Korea does (apparently the director for the closing will be different).
  15. 2 points
    I thought it was already a bit much with that segment re-creating Bach winning his fencing medal, but when he actually ended up being the cauldron lighter as well......
  16. 2 points
    i have some spoilers (minor)... First one: Usually the torch lighting ends the ceremony. However, there is a segment after it. This segment was described to me as one of the coolest things ever... More later.
  17. 2 points
    New: Architecture of the Games Magazine #1 - January 2018 In ‘Architecture of the Games Magazine’ we take a look at the Olympic Games from the perspective of the designer. We will be paying special attention to the 2018 Olympic Winter Games in PyeongChang. Other topics include Rio 2016, the new Candidature Process for the 2026 Olympic Winter Games and the Olympic Legacy of Barcelona 1992 and London 2012. In the last section you will find a report of our visit to ‘Olympic Capital’ Lausanne. This bilingual magazine is available to read for free via electronic publishing platform Issuu. ‘Architecture of the Games Magazine’ is a non-commercial, educational project and all contributors have offered their work on a voluntary basis. https://issuu.com/architectureofthegames/docs/aotg_magazine_1_2018 Preview Table of Contents SECTION 1 – RIO RETROSPECT 008 Colourful Olympics with an uncertain legacy 010 Barra 012 Deodoro 014 Maracanã 016 Copacabana SECTION 2 – UPDATE 020 Upcoming Olympic Games 022 The new Candidature Process 024 Tokyo 2020 028 Paris 2024 SECTION 3 – PYEONGCHANG 2018 034 Introduction 036 Masterplan 040 Transportation 046 Venues 064 Slope Characteristics 066 Olympic Design 070 Competition Schedule 072 Paralympic Games SECTION 4 – OLYMPIC LEGACY 076 Barcelona 1992: 25 Years later 082 London 2012: On track for a sustainable legacy SECTION 5 – TRIP REPORT 090 Lausanne: Olympic Capital 096 Subscribe 097 Colophon 098 About Architecture of the Games 100 For the Dutch readers
  18. 2 points
    We haven't had many aerials, but these just popped up on SSC and are really great. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1475150&page=26
  19. 2 points
    It had to be done. While i'm afraid PC2018 is going to be marred with even more controversy now, better to screw up one games than all of the Olympics reputation. Sadly, a lot of people out there believes in the russophobia/american conspiracy boogieman and will refuse to admit their guilt. When you are dealing with such unredeemable people, these kind of punishments are needed to see if they wake up and smell the coffee.
  20. 2 points
    As much as I fear taking out Russia completly from PC2018 will hurt the interest for these games even more (the NHL dropping from this edition already did that job though ;; ), i'm more scared about the complete lose of trust to Olympism as a whole. If the IOC wants to gain credibility again, or at least some, they have to show they still have a spine and that such a level of cheating can't go unpunished, specially if the whole Govt and Russian state was involved and, on top of that, are still unrepentful and bringing the classic "Rusophobia" boogieman. They lost the first place at the medal tally retrospectively and they are still saying crap like "This was a victory of the Russian people and its too late to take away what we already gained" and stuff. They're still living in Wonderland.
  21. 2 points
    The new stadium will be rebuilt as a permanent rectangular stadium with severely raked side seating and minimal end seating - thus adding a track for any future Games will need a deck to fit a track and thus will lower the capacity to below IAAF/IOC accepted levels. It'll be an intimate stadium when done - but that isn't always a good thing. The issue with the existing stadium is they built stands way too high that offer poor sight lines for anything bar rugby. I've been to a few concerts there and the sound and configuration is pretty ordinary. The stadium was built to be adaptable to a myriad of events but has proven to not be good for much at all and is a failure. They went for vast temporary capacity over legacy. The waste and expense is offensive to me personally - and that 2 billion is needed elsewhere urgently. As for Moore Park - the location is always the biggest problem. getting in and out is a nightmare. The new light rail will help a bit but the traffic is a nightmare. I have tickets to see Sia play there in a few weeks and am dreading getting in and out.
  22. 2 points
    Wasn't really sure where to put this, but this is going to be my last post here on the site. After 11 years I have decided that the passion for the site is no longer there. I just wanted to say thank you for the memories and I wish you all good health, wealth and lots of spectacular ceremonies to come... For my last post, after all my years of searching, I finally got my hands on the official DVD of the Sydney 2000 ceremonies that's my weekend sorted Thank You and Goodnight X
  23. 2 points
    About time someone pointed this out. What are we still doing with subforums about the 2018 Bid which ended 6 years ago already? Same for 2020, where we still have a couple of peeps posting on the Tokyo thread over there when all Tokyo 2020 posts should be done in the new subforum dedicated to the next Summer Games. It really becomes confusing for people who is interested on joining the site. I understand the 2024-2028 subforums are still around because they ended just recently, but in the near future they should be taken down too and replaced with their proper subforums.
  24. 2 points
    LOL not like the design of your book - - - cheers from a graphic designer xoxo #happyhalloween
  25. 2 points
    ... “fair” is very subjective - how does the UK wanted to be treated? I ask that question since UK can call the "eat the cake and have it" approach as "fair" - which isn't fair at all in my pov. When we talk about fairness we have to talk about that fairness works only when it works both ways... The UK shouldn’t believe that the Europeans didn’t recognise that they were blamed for every little problem in the UK (and I mean the citizens of the EU living in the UK - we don't blame the UK-citizens, who live here (or we don't call them immigrants) for every problem in our countries) or that the EU-institutions were linked with totalitarianism, which is just nonsense... (the EU structures didn't fall from the heaven - the UK had every opportunity to veto it - but didn’t do it - the same is valid for every EU-rule). Norway didn’t enter the EU due a referendum - in the meantime Norway and the EU found an agreement (to which the UK agreed also). That might happen with the UK and EU as well, but the EU will treat the UK like Norway - it has to be fair... The Norwegian seem to be happy with the agreement - why should the EU differ between the UK and Norway? It was clear before the referendum in June 2016 that the EU will treat a third country like any other third country - why should the UK be treated differently? In my point of view the UK decided in an advisory referendum to leave the political and economical structures of Europe - the previous parliament said it will take it as mandatory - it must had been clear for everybody in the UK that this will have a huge impact on everybody’s life in the UK.
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