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  1. 13 points
  2. What a vile, unpleasant place this forum has become. Have some of you heard yourselves? You do realise that most of what some of you are displaying here amounts to not much more than bullying, abuse and intimidation? You come here for fun? Grow the hell up!!! It is quite obvious that many of you are enjoying the current situation with Tony. Tony could try the patience of a saint - granted - but I think after a while you have to just ignore those that you conflict with. I came here originally to learn and share thoughts with likeminded people on a common interest. I am sure many of you did the same. However, for some time now this website seems to offer nothing more than just a place to score childish points. I found this website was starting to bring the worst out in me around the time of the 2012 games. I had a realisation back then that I was getting more stressed than fulfilled by the petty nature of Gamesbids. That was a few years back, it has gotten so much worse. I look around now and am so glad to have left when I did. I have not been around these forums much for the last few years, maybe just once every other month to have a brief look around at the news. I can't believe some of the abuse I have been reading. I also can't believe it has been left to fester by the moderators and Rob Livingstone himself. It is tiring to read for me, I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for regular members who are not involved in the bickering. It seems most of the good people who used to post here have abandoned ship leaving only a handful of good people still around from the days when these forums offered a real purpose. It seems that many of the new members have picked up on the negativity of the forums and decided to just run with the theme. It is very obvious when you don't post here regularly and are able to step back and see the bigger picture. You only get one life. Do you really want to spend days of your life just arguing, fighting and bickering over who is right and who is wrong? That being said, something definitely needs to be done to help Tony and subsequently the existing members here who just want to debate Olympic matters. He seems a troubled chap and as someone else said on this forum - not sure who it was - I think Tony will be happier for having his access taken away from him. Even if he doesn't quite realise that himself. It can't be good for a young lads self esteem to be the butt of so much vitriole and ridicule, even if he often provokes it. Can I also say that whilst Tony is English, he does not speak for an entire nation. I would appreciate it if some of you took that on board before abusing an entire nation to score some cheap points. It isn't pleasant to read and says more about you than anything else. I fully expect some retaliative replies to come my way in retaliation to this post . I will not be responding to them. I no longer care for most of the people on this website and therefore do not want to get drawn into a long, childish argument. However, I do think what I have said needed saying, allthough I fully suspect it wll fall on deaf ears. Adios.
    12 points
  3. Hey guys. A big thanks for all the very astute and entertaining comments! Cheers, Anthony
    12 points
  4. Hey Gamesbidders, I will fly to Rio tomorrow for my second Olympic Games in person. After London 2012 I decided very fast, that I want to go to the next Games also. Of course I am aware that the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro will be completely different, but that is exactly what I want to experience = different Olympic Games! I hadn't been to South America before so I will encounter "Um Mundo Novo" - I am very excited about it, but a little bit anxious also due I don't speak Portuguese or Spanish - so I will have to "survive" in a country where I can't speak the national language... I would like to invite you to follow my blog here on GamesBids - I had fun to do it during London 2012 and I hope you will enjoy my blog of Rio de Janeiro 2016 as well.
    11 points
  5. My entries: Tokyo 2020 - The Portal My Tokyo entry is based on the medieval Japanese portals and archtecture and in the traditional Japanese paitings. The shape with curves brings the sense of motion to the human figure celebrating victory. The rising sun is also present, the most recognizable Japanese icon. Anchorage 2022 - The Borealis Star A very recognizable symbol of Alaska, the Mount McKinley, is the main piece of this logo. The Aurora Borealis made of flags give the shape of the famous landscape, also reaching to the top, where the Northern Star with gold colors represents the goal of the victory, the glory. I tried to bring a bit of the sea/fishing/port life to the font, since fishing is a major activity to the Nothern US state. Both typing fonts were designed by me.
    10 points
  6. Hey everyone, It has been a while since I have posted here. No, I am not late to the party, at all. As a matter of fact, since I live in Rio, I was part of it the whole time, but life makes some surprising twists, which means sometimes I wasn´t able to do it properly. Four years ago I wrote this post, right after London Games. Then, I´ve tried to sum up all my expectation and fears about the Games and, on the last paragraph, I wrote: "Hopefully, in 4 years, I can come here and write that Rio made a great Olympic Games, just like London did last night, and finally have one of dreams finally come true and remember for the rest of my life." So, here I am, to fulfill my promise. I wish I was able to come here more often. When I wrote that piece, back then, things were doing OK for me. My daughter was recently born (after a very difficult period of pregnancy), and I started to make lots of plans again. Unfortunately, similar to what happened to Brazilian economy, it all went downhill after that. My wife, a year later, acquired a neurological disorder which, at least until today, is still unexplained and no closed diagnosis has been proved yet (she can still walk and do things like a normal person, but only for a short period of time, when she starts to feel shortness of breath). Because of that, I had to completely change my life and dedicate most of the time trying to help her and my daughter, while trying to keep a normal life, which started to become very difficult after a year. To make things worse, I´ve bough an apartment, before it started to built, months before my wife started to get sick, and it was only ready to move this January. Meanwhile, the building period began, and I followed closely (reading SSC forum) all the infrastructure and stadia, eager to watch in person, but most of the time postponing because was either too tired to go. Then came the World Cup and I´ve tried to watch as many games as possible, missing the Final because of my credit card company (long story). Then it was the countdown, the ticket marathon (almost a year logging at the site every single day at work and at home), the Whatsapp groups, with sirens and chats with fellow brazilians about the event. Even with all that build up, I wasn´t really completely focused on the Games because it still wasn´t my main priority and I kind of felt a little sad because I knew that moment wouldn´t return. So, because I wasn´t able to enjoy the pre-show, I decided that I would really focus on doing it when it really matters. And boy, I really did. 74 sessions. 125 finals (40% of total). All on site. Rushing from one venue to another at least once a day. Cursing the guy who thought the shooting venue would be easy to arrive and prasing the one who made a short walk for the golf venue. Regretting of doing some almost impossible movements intercity, even knowing Rio mass transportation for at least 25 years. Lucky that I got a crazy taxi driver that was able to arrive at the BMX venue in 15 minutes from the train station to watch both finals. Happy that some sessions were canceled because I wouldn´t be able to watch it anyway. Leaving home between 9-10 am and coming home between midnight-1 am (sometimes even 2:30) every single day dead tired with my feet hurting during the first 10 days. All of this because I knew it was once in a lifetime experience. Sure, I "miss" some of the most dramatic brazilian gold medals but, really, since I wasn´t really interested before, I knew I wouldn´t change my schedule because of that (and don´t regret it at all). Saw lots of other things that I will never forget, like the european supporters at canoeing slalom, the crazy heavyweight event in weightlifting (the TV missed a lot of the action on the stands), the Argentinians almost falling from the upper sectors during the QF Basketball against USA, and so many others that made me feel happy of being there after all the effort spent to see them. Then, during the second week, when things were a little less rushed, I started to enjoy the moments. Walking slowly around the Olympic Park and at Deodoro cluster, watching other people around the bleachers and walking around the venues. The volunteers. Everything. I knew it would be over soon, so I wanted to soak it as much as possible of the whole atmosphere. Finally, the final day, the final session, the final cerimony, and it was gone. So, it is possible to say Rio made a great Olympic Games? Yes. THAT great? Well, maybe not, mostly on details that would match Rio with the great ones, but it was one heck of event. It is strange that, if Rio wasn´t selected as a host of the event, I would be OK with that, although I would always imagine how would it be. I don´t need to do this anymore. It was a reality. Also, I think it is kind of weird that my projections of which stakeholders would be successful in organizing the Games were almost spot on (City Hall doing things right, State of Rio, BOC and former president doing it wrong), even though 1 year ago that scenario would be very unlikely. After all, who cares? I will remember it for the rest of my life (but I am still glad that I was right ) My apologies for not being present here during this period. I really wanted to chat with all of you, to make the experience even better. Now, I return to my normal life, with all the problems that were left behind, but with one big smile that will follow me every time I talk about those 16 days in August 2016. I don´t even know if I will be as dedicated to the Olympic Games as I was before (well, I am still a commentator during the Winter Olympic Games, so I guess I will keep for quite some time), if I will download every video from now on, but I know that, more than ever, the Olympics will be a big part of my life. Not bad for someone who joined here in 2003 when Rio was "only" the next host of the PanAm Games. Thanks for reading.
    9 points
  7. Ok. I'm having issues to express how I feel. I actually live 15 metres from the Bataclan, where 82 people died. Thankfully, I was at some friends' when it happened. But when I came home this morning, the place hadn't been cleaned yet. On the floor there were shoes, coats, plastic gloves, napkins, all covered in blood. I will never forget. I would like you guys to wait a little before jumping to conclusions. But let me be clear: what happned yesterday has NOTHING to do with the refugee crises. Nothing. Don't forget that what happened in January was done by 3 French guys, born and raised in France. Merci.
    9 points
  8. Hello friends of GamesBids. It has been 5 years since I last posted here and at that time much of my life was in a mess: wife had cancer, problems at my job that caused me deep depression, among others. At that time I realized that if I stayed here reading the forums it would ruin the joy of receiving the Olympic Games in my beloved hometown of Rio. So I decided to simply avoid GamesBids Forums. I decided to face the lots of problems of my life and also enjoy my dream. I don't regret. Fortunately, my wife's cancer was cured in 2017 and I'm still treating my depression (it got much worse in mid-2017 and every day has been a battle since then). About the Olympics? I think you guys agree with me: It's the best event in the planet and Rio 2016 was perfect. For me it was. Rio and Brazil had, have and will have problems (just like all countries, some more, other less). But as I pointed above, we must face problems and enjoy life when possible. Rio did it. I did it. And unfortunately I couldn't did it here with some many "POVs" ruining my experience. During the years at the Forums I made a very special friend, Martin from Germany. He came to Rio 2016, we went to Maracanãzinho together watch female volleyball, he stayed few days at my home and it was one of the best days of my life. Martin is truly a gentleman and a special human being. He told me some members of the forums were in Rio. I wish I could have met all of them to have fun and show a little bit of the city. I was not invited to the rendervouz and that's really okay. Somehow this was/is a club of friends and I was never part of the club... "Danny is too sensitive to critics". You are right. Maybe I was to certain extent. But anyway it doesn't matter anymore. For those who came to Rio 2016, I truly hope you enjoyed at least one second of your stay. If you smiled once in Rio I'm happy. Smiles are more special than I thought before depression and smiles are the most pure expression of our souls. During the last 5 years I missed all the logo competitions, all the inappropriate bid contests, some jokes, some good talk, but I never missed some bad times we had here. Thankfully now it's past and no hard feelings. :) I waited 5 years to write this post. I waited the end of Tokyo Games so now Rio is past, Tokyo is past too. Right time to say something without Rio games in the mirror. I want to thank you for a great opportunity on understanding different cultures, to understand different backgrounds, to learn much of the English skills I have today (still not fluent). You guys helped me a lot with English! You guys also helped me a lot in the other fandom I'm part now. The "international mindset" that I learned here was a keypoint in my 5-year role as a chairman of an international event held annually in Brazil and respected abroad. Thank you! It was also a great opportunity to prove myself that we must focus in good things of life. It's way better than spend time trying to show other people with pre-existing judgements that things can be a little bit different. To show that maybe I was right to be happy about something we share the passion - Olympic Games. But Olympic Games in a different place, a place I love. To all those who read this letter, my respect and best wishes of good luck. To those few ready to write harsh words in the comments, my respect and best wishes of good luck too. To GBMod, thank you for everything in the past and I hope IOC bring back the bid process. It was much better. Greetings from Brazil (and Brazil continues a very amazing and beautiful place as always), Danny PS: Rio 2016 Opening Ceremony still the best after 5 years. Change my mind - lol
    8 points
  9. SPOILER ALERT A rehearsal of the Opening Ceremony was held last night in Tokyo and I managed to find some footage from Channel 7 News Australia (the Australian broadcaster for the Olympics). You can expect a lot of fireworks, projections and some Japanese elements blended with contemporary art. Looks very promising.
    8 points
  10. Who cares if performers are world famous or not? As long as they work for the show, in the moment, that's what matters most. These ceremonies are about cities showing the world the face THEY want to show it. If it's someone you don't know, maybe look them up. I remember having this exact conversation with you about the brilliant Dame Evelyn Glennie in the 2012 Opening Ceremony thread. Maybe I'm odd, but I'd rather have someone more obscure but interesting. Especially if the alternative if wheeling out Susan Boyle. #susanalbumparty
    8 points
  11. Coming from a generation of young Germans who are both immigrants and well-removed from the atrocity that we denote as "Auschwitz" today, what matters the most to me (as a German, European and citizen of the world, really) are the conclusions we draw from the terror perpetrated, carried out and supported by German citizens (and by collaborators across Europe) in generations past. Auschwitz was only the most horrific in a terrifying system of extermination and concentration camps built by Hitler's genocidal regime. The mass murder perpetrated by Nazi cronies was a singular crime, in that it created genocide on an industrial scale - unmatched in its malign intent, cold-blooded execution and deadly precision. When Allied soldiers liberated the camps, their horror at what they witnessed was so emphatic that they forced the German population (which had been living in self-denial for year after year) to go to the camps and see for themselves. But did we, as a world, learn from this mass murder? Being a citizen of a multicultural, modern and united Germany, I feel that we drew the wrong conclusions: for a long time, we retreated into a shell of "No more war". Never has it occurred to many Germans that as the former perpetrators of horrific genocide, maybe it'd be our duty, our responsibility towards the world to hunt down future genocidaires, assemble coalitions against genocidal dictators and, if necessary, go to war against those who would butcher, maim and suppress tens and hundreds of thousands of people. It's not enough to give rhetorically polished speeches full of good intent if we are not willing to back up said intent to stand up for democracy, freedom and human rights everywhere - including in situations in which our citizens just don't get it. We refuse to call out Turkey (Armenian Genocide) and Japan (World War II; its revisionism in history books, whether on the topic of comfort women or the occupation of Manchukuo) for their governments' failure to accept responsibility for their respective genocides and whitewashing of history. We waited and watched as Hutus implemented a plan of systemic genocide against the Tutsi population in Rwanda - caring more about UN rules than the spirit of UN values. We remained indecisive in the face of Bosnian Serb aggression against the Muslims in Bosnia, even when confronted with the horror of them building concentration camps. We tolerated Pol Pot as Cambodia slipped into the genocidal killing fields. We watched as Pakistan slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Bangladeshis prior to the 1971 War. We are watching and sitting on our hands, as ISIS is perpetrating yet another religious purge of all those that don't subscribe to its clerical-fascist ideology. Remembering the genocide and teaching schoolchildren about Hitler's crimes is all well and good (and trust me, I went through years of education about the Nazi regime and the Holocaust), but it's worth little if we don't instill the drive to root out genocidal ambitions, wherever they exist - and the willingness to battle those who would harm others for being different. Yes, Germany and Japan have elected parliaments, are modern Western countries with precisely the fundamental rights protections and love of freedom their pre-democratic counterparts lacked. But have we, as a world, learnt anything? I'm very uncertain about that. May instead of saying: "Never forget", the international community should be saying: "Never keep watching". The flag that flies across my country is that of a new republic, assembled by men and women who resolved to never let a dictator like Hitler take power again. What we Germans have achieved since our country's liberation by the Allied forces has been nothing short of a democratic miracle. We are a mature, modern democracy and have preserved the peace for the past 70 years. That said, I feel we have become too pacifist, too unwilling to stand up for what is right and too comfortable in our unwillingness to draw the logical conclusion from Auschwitz: That to protect human freedom, we have to defend it. And in order to defend it, we frequently will be forced to take up arms against extremists who won't be open for negotiation, debate or discussion. Freedom from fear is not negotiable. Until genocidal dictators know that they will face judgment day not just in ecclesiastical terms, but on this earth and at the hands of a determined international community, it will keep happening. That would be the greatest tragedy of them all.
    8 points
  12. Thanks to Nakamoto Kyu for that toe-yapping version of Sukiyaki. And thanks to palette for suggesting it. And thank you Palette and Soyoshi, for hosting our deliberations. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mesdames and Monsieurs, Herr Bach, Welcome back to Yoshi's Island. We've reached back here quicker than I expected. Luckily our graphics guys were ready. And luckily for the people of Nagoya and Tokyo, we've saved countless deaths by satisfying Godzilla by choosing a winning logo in the nick of time and enticing the big lizard to settle down with Soyoshi and family. We had a super quick resolution to the comp - the first time, I think, that our winner was settled in the second round of final voting. To announce who it was that won the hearts of the majority so quickly, I'd ask Herr Bach to get ready with the envelope. His speech writer was caught a but unprepared, though, so we'll leave the stage-German behind for this one. Okay, the big moment. The winner is............ Paul! Congratulations paul, who returned to the comp this year after a hiatus (he almost joined, but then withdrew late last year) to claim his unprecedented fifth title. So well done mate and well deserved. Certainly it was always the one to beat. Thanks for entering. In the end, the results were: A (nzl) - 8 votes B (mr.bernham) - 3 voyes C (paul) - 17 votes D (aismanggo) - 2 votes All votes were valid and the winner crowned by an absolute majority. So that's it for yet another logo comp. Thanks to all who participated this year, by entering or critiquing or voting. Hope you had fun. And hopefully I'll see you all back again for at least one more.
    8 points
  13. It's 1 thing to support your country. It's another to be a belligerent asshole about it on a multi-national Internet site. You know your over-the-top support of England is an annoyance to many people here, yet you still don't seem to give a crap. Apparently you have still not learned the lesson that not every on the Internet is kind and nice and if you're going to act like a douchebag, people will respond in kind. Speaking of England, your Queen has a message for you.. I'm sure you're going to tell me how this is mean and rude and really offensive and how dare I invoke your Queen in a response to you. I'm aware of all that. That's the intention. If you want the rest of us to treat you with any sort of respect, 1) you have to earn it and 2) enough with this idea that any time someone talks back to you, it's "who do you think you are" or "don't talk to me like that." What gives YOU the right to talk to us like that? You have been a cancer to these forums since just about the day you joined. And every time you have an introspective moment that makes the rest of us think you finally get it, 5 seconds later you revert right back to bad habits. If this cycle is going to continue (and clearly it's going to because you are incapable of getting the point), learn to deal with it. And just for reference.. yes everyone, I know what I'm doing here. I don't need suggestions how to handle Tony or that I should just consider ignoring him. I considered that. This is my choice.
    8 points
  14. And another... This is my submission for Santiago 2022. It's a ski run through a mountain valley, shaped like an "S." I picked the colors from the city flag. I'm churning these out because I'm holed up at a hotel with nothing to do while I wait out a typhoon. This comp has been a welcome way to spend my time and keep my mind on better things. Thanks! And there will probably be more to come.
    8 points
  15. Sorry Rols, but we all know that England desreve to host all the Olympic Games form 2024 onwards
    8 points
  16. Omg guys, u need to sotp! It's boring how you're jugding the hole cerimony just by pictures. LETS RIO SHINE without yours negative comments. I'm loving everything, it's so colorful, so alive. They are working so hard to give their best. Lets wait until august 5 to jugde
    7 points
  17. From now on, every time I feel sad I'll put on the uniform and hold the torch again.
    7 points
  18. My sympathies might be for the Brazilian left, but it is getting a bit too much Caue. And a bit disappointed your pic postings rained a bit on Victor's big moment in the spotlight on the forum.
    7 points
  19. So, the Olympic Flame made a tour around the city last sunday (May 29) and I was one of the 110 people chosen to be a torchbearer. The nomination was confirmed earlier this month. I was selected by the committee because mostly because of my work as a teacher at a community cram school, a student debate society founded by myself and and an archery workshop I brought to a state school last year. This is nothing compared to many great people I met at our gathering point and their truly inspiring stories. The sunday was rainy here in Maceió, but the crowds were big near the starting point of the relay. The parade of the sponsors ahead of us (Coca-cola) was a party! Lots of music and people dancing despite the drizzle. I was the 15th runner that night and you can see me igniting my torch in the pic below. The olympic torch is light and the flame looks pretty elegant in it. It's a neat sound when we release the gas and the segments open up. The torchbearers run for only 200 meters and I ran as slowly as I could, but the security squad noticed and joked saying 'hey man, we see what you're trying to do'. I passed the flame to a girl but before we planned to do something funny to the media truck: I proposed to her, kneeling myself and she said yes before lighting her torch. The people were shocked! And that's how it ended. It was fun, inspiring and unforgettable.
    7 points
  20. Very wise of you. For a start, if you examine the plans carefully, it become apparent that the running tracks in both designs have inside lanes 400 metres long !
    7 points
  21. So it is my entry for the winter games, the summer games logo will be revealed soon. The logo based on snowflake (of course..), the symbol of Stockholm and victory's pose of people. The three golden people in the top of the logo represent the crown in the Stockholm's symbol, the other people are in the color of the Olympic's rings in kind of blue version of them to represent the winter feeling and make them more connected to the other colors in the logo. The slogan "Unique Together" come from the unique of snowflakes and it says that every one is unique and special, and together we are also special, maybe more than other groups. Hope you like it!
    7 points
  22. https://tokyo2020.jp/en/emblem/
    7 points
  23. I have been offered a position as Assistant Venue Press Operations Manager with TO2015 for the Games!
    7 points
  24. HAHAHAHAHA. Coming from the guy who is still butthurt about the 2018 World Cup result.
    7 points
  25. Jesus Christ. I can't handle this anymore.
    7 points
  26. Tony, before you go to all events you are planning, think about visiting Disney World before... Just in case...
    7 points
  27. I don’t know whether I should be proud or embarrassed, but here goes my post number 20,000 on GamesBids. It took almost 18 years to get here - and it’s not like I’ve ever been a reticent poster - so I guess it’s quite a mark. I think I’ve earned a self-indulgent thread of my own.It seems I’m only the second member to ever reach the milestone, but I doubt I’ll ever be able to catch up with @baron-pierreIV’s 37,000 plus posts (and counting). Thanks to all the friends I’ve made here - too many to name - who’ve stimulated some great conversations, debates and furious typings. And I guess thanks also to the many adversaries I’ve had here who’ve provoked furious reactions and heated exchanges. I hope we’re all still at it come Paris 2024 and beyond.
    6 points
  28. I feel like the bold should go without saying, but also seems like that needs to be made clear. What you think the ceremony "needs" is based on your personal interpretation. The people running the Olympics know who their audience is. Suffice it to say, they likely don't think like you. So lets break this down point by point... The last daytime ceremony was Nagano in 1998 and that was for the benefit of American TV. Ditto with Seoul in 1988. Sunshine is friendlier for the crowd in the stands. But this is very much a TV event those days. The visuals look better at night which is why nearly every ceremony in the last 35 years has been after dark. Bear makes a good point that the 2028 opening will likely start during the day to suit NBC. It will without the slightest doubt end after sunset. The visual from 1984 of the flame making its way up to the cauldron would have been 100 times more dramatic if it was dark out. The flaming arrow in Barcelona. Cathy Freeman in Sydney. Li Ning in Beijing. All work so much better at night. We may never see a daytime ceremony again in our lifetimes. We'll see what tricks they have with the roof at SoFi. They'll make it work. Vancouver 2010 was in an enclosed stadium. Sochi 2014 had a roof. It's not as big a deal as you want it to be. The flagpoles.. seriously? There might not be another person on the planet who thinks that's something worth thinking about. The doves are a relic of the past. Watch animal rights groups get in a tizzy if that's suggsted. Not worth the trouble. The Olympic Hymn isn't herioc enough for you? LOL And Bear said it well.. if a choir makes sense, then sure. It is not a "need" Not to rehash what Rols said, but you could be a lot more well-received here if you didn't come off as some sort of spamming troll. Having a strong opinion about something like flagpoles all well and good. But try engaging in discussion rather than just making the same point over and over again and then dropping YouTube clips as if we have enough time on our hands to indulge your whims
    6 points
  29. Time I guess, to give our personal assessments of Sochi. Gotta say, not that easy at all for me - a great games but with very definite flaws and issues. Ceremonies - 9/10: Apart from a few minor technical deductions in the execution of the compulsory elements of the opening and a workmanlike but lacklustre short program with the medal ceremonies, truly top rate and pure class. On the whole, the showpiece opening was visually stunning, beautifully conceived and entertaining. Haven’t seen the closing yet, but a quick look through the news and posts here indicate Russia didn’t stuff it it up at all – looking forward to watching through the day some time. No need to inflate the marks for me to give them a gold medal in thi category. Look - 9.5/10: I always liked the look, from the moment the quiltwork was unveiled, and I’ve gushed over it in the threads here during the games. Memorable, evocative (both in its folk and typography elements), colourful and attractive. Only the original logo let it down, but that got sidelined to only a minor branding role during the games anyway. Bravo! Operations – 9.5/10: Efficient, smooth and unobtrusive (unless you were Pussy Riot followed by a film crew trying to make your point in front of a logo backdrop with nearby Cossacks looking on). Honestly, this is the first games I can remember without the traditional and inevitable “the buses got lost” story – I heard not one complaint about the transport or logistics. The sports all ran for the most smoothly, judging controversies aside and teething troubles for some tracks aside, and that’s quite an achievement for a beast like the WOGs so dependent on weather and the elements. A bit of fog the main disruption, as far as I can recall now. Quite remarkably efficient, really, but then again, old Vladimir wouldn’t have let them be otherwise, would he? Sports – 9/10: A feast! But this is the Olympics, it should be. Favourites fell, new stars rose, and the medals seemed to get shared around a lot more this time (though, personally, would have liked Oz to get a yellow-hued medal in its haul). Dope fails towards the end, a figure skating judging scandal (OMG – who would have thunk it!) and the odd bit of trash talk aside, remarkably free from major scandals (if anything, they could have done with a bit more spicy and sizzling scandal). Can’t get enough of those new sports like slopestyle – I think the attraction of the Winter Games sporting show is excellent shape following these games. Venues – 7/10: Yes, all very impressive in general from what I saw on the TV. The central park at Adler looked suitably top notch and state-of-the-art. I thought the unfinished woodwork on the parts of the sliding track looked a bit quick and cheap and there may have been a few snitty comments at the state of the halfpipe and slopestyle course early on, but that’s more nit-picking. Rosa Klebb Khutor was always a nice backdrop for the snow events as well. My main marking down comes from both locations just being all too centralised, isolated and almost hermetically sealed off from the Sochi and Russia proper. The games may have been in Sochi, but for all we experienced it on TV it could have been held in a gorgeously crafted and groomed outdoor studio setting bubble – the Olympic Truman Show. Indeed, about the only comments we got from outside the bubble were of unfinished or shoddy hotels or double booked cruise liner berths, brown water, worksites and all that hullabaloo. That was likely over-egged a bit, especially in the lead-up to the opening, but nonetheless reinforced the Potemkin Village feel of the venues to me. Crowds/Atmosphere - 6/10: This touches on the previous point. From inside the venues (apart from the usual sponsor seat no-shows) the crowds on TV seemed eager and enthusiastic and the numbers were indeed swelled by proud, vocal, good spirited and gracious locals. But again, it was the Trumanov Show - outside the bubble It didn’t see it touch to wider populace. Sure, it perhaps wasn’t ever going to be a Lillehammer or Vancouver like that, but I still thought there was a conspicuous lack of images of proud and celebrating Russians in the streets of Sochi or excitement in live sites across the country. That’s an important element of an Olympics for me – to touch and to be really taken in and embraced to the home of the hosts. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I’ve seen little claim or evidence to the contrary. Legacy – 5/10: Okay, so it’s hard to say how what’s on the ground in Sochi now is going to end up like. They’ve got the F1 and the WC to come up. And Sochi may well end up becoming Russia’s all-seasons answer to Ibiza, the Gold Coast or Orlando. But… $50 billion dollars!!!!!! Even if it’s counting a total transformation of a sleepy black sea resort town, it’s always a figure that will inextricably be linked to the 2014 Olympics. And that’s before you start talking about corruption and thing like forced labour and forced evictions in the name of Putin’s personal-presidential vanity project. Those to me are the biggest tarnishes on the Sochi legacy, and they’re pretty serious ones. IMO they’ve done more to damage the Olympic brand’s reputation and reduce its attractiveness to potential future hosts than any issues of recent games. Quite simply, it’s already led bidders in the last summer race and the current winter race to pledge against over-spending as their one of their chief messages and attractions, and scared off other, very suitable and responsible bidders. Hopefully, I don’t think the IOC’s been blind to this. Overall and general comments – 7.5/10: I think I’m always going to be a bit ambivalent about these games. On the one hand, there’s no denying these were visually very handsome and technically very slick games. Amongst the best of the best. On the other hand, I’m not re-assured they’ve left a positive impact on the Olympic brand considering the issues they’ve brought up. And it’s not the politics. I think hosting’s always a two-edged sword – you’re in it for the prestige and glory, but be prepared to have your dirty linen being given a dose of good hard glaring publicity and criticism. I believe issues like gay rights in Russia, Tibet, aboriginal treatment in Australia or environmental impacts in BC force more attention through the games than they otherwise could have hoped to achieve. But digress. The grotesque cost will always be footnoted against these games, and for all their shiny settings, smooth operations and great new sports, I still feel personally they were all just disconnected from the host city and country compared to others, and the cost???? Totally over-the-top in the worst possible way. Put it this way, I think future bidders will still try to subtly or overtly use the “we’ll give you another Lillehammer” pitch. I can’t see much public or IOC enthusiasm if someone tried to pitch themselves as the “next Sochi”. GamesBids Moments: “Belle Brockhoff – Teenage Lesbian Vampire Witch” for GBids meme of the games. Followed by Tony’s “I know my short track and I know what I saw”.
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  30. I was just thinking yesterday that it’s a saving grace at least that you don’t have premium. You’re insufferable enough now
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  31. I can’t in good conscience watch this. It may not mean anything in the scheme of things, but I’ll be doing my own personal boycott - the first Olympic ceremony I’ll miss since 1976. I’m disheartened to see so many getting hyped for this grotesque perversion by the CCP.
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  32. What is it with you and gay slurs? Internalized homophobia? As a straight guy (even as one who likes cute animals) it would never even occur to me to say something like that.
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  33. Only mistake the IOC made (with hindsight admittedly) with Pyeongchang is going there 4 years late. This in 2014, & Sochi wouldn't have happened, & it's not a big leap to think that we'd now be watching Munich 2018 - handing off to Oslo on Sunday week. To be fair to IOC, I don't think anyone could've seen in 2007 just how bad it would get, & at the time it felt like a good, positive step, but as it turned out, picking Sochi over PC ended up being possibly the worst decision they ever made.
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  34. Yes, we all know this. I even think that you celebrate when something goes wrong. But I don't care about your opinion. Keep searching the bad news while we (athletes and spectators) are here having fun.
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  35. Hello from a jet-lagged CAF... I arrived in Rio yesterday after a smooth flight - it was 3:20 a.m. and the airport was empty: no queues anywhere in sight. The luggage pick up was quick - the drive from the airport to Ipanema worked very well. My apartment is great - I even would say that it is luxury! The owner let me in around 6 a.m. and welcomed me really enthusiastic - a living room with a sofa, table, TV set and a wonderful view into a tree, which stands right in front of the house - a kitchen very good equipped, a bed room with a air-condition and double windows (which will help me to sleep, when I want to - the apartment is in one of the best known party areas of Ipanema) and a bathroom. As little extra the owner placed a wonderful white orchid on the table in the living room for my well being. After a short nap on the sofa I went to Botafogo - I bought my Rio Olympic Card (transportation is not free for ticket holders this time) and headed to downtown with the metro. I picked up the rest of my Olympic tickets at the reseller HQ and took the bus from Botafogo to Leblon. "Buses" - there are a lot of different lines and you have to learn to take/use them - I just recommend to use an app! The bus ride was fun - you can see so much more than in the metro! The city is vibrant - amazing little architectural gems between the 'normal stuff' - you can see people with their surfboards heading to the beach and at the same time people in their suits. i bought a Brazilian SIM card and I was looking for an Adaptor, since I have an issue with my MacBook power net cable plug - it doesn't fit into the socket. That Adaptor will be difficult - I spended a lot of time searching for an Adaptor, which fits with an European 'Schuko-plug. No success so far and therefore I will buy a new cable for my MacBook at an Apple Store today. Lagoa Freitas, where the canoeing and rowing takes place - when you look closely you will find Christo, the Redeemer The landscape of Rio is beautiful! Really an unique place in earth: the ocean, the lagoons, the hills, the tors and the tropic flora! And the people!
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  36. If anything, Tony, it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland that won the Falklands War (after much hand-wringing from the likes of Lord Carrington, mind you); it valiantly held off a German invasion in World War II (to its credit) and prevented a takeover of its colonies. It was part of a multinational coalition that won the Second World War - without the Lend-Lease Agreement, and considerable United States loans after the war, your economy would have disintegrated quite fast. If England is oh-so-awesome, can you explain to me why your economy (despite having the same ERP assistance as Germany) never recovered as fast and as substantially? You lost your colonies, can't stand up to a tinpot dictator like Robert Mugabe or project any sort of military power outside of the security arrangements with the United States. You're part of NATO and the not-so-beloved EU, because you know that without these multilateral treaties, you'd not really be taken seriously by the wider international community. Your influence is derived from such anachronisms like a UN Security Council seat (with the UN increasingly becoming a joke), the G7 (which has basically morphed into the G20) and the Commonwealth. Don't get me wrong: I love the United Kingdom (or if you will: Britain), I lived there for many years and have deep links there as well - with many a friendship struck up there. London 2012 was great, but you didn't reinvent the wheel. Sydney, Barcelona, Los Angeles and others did it before you. But this sort of ignorant "Little Englander" nationalism repels me. "England" owns nothing. If it is anything, it is because of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. After all, the songs are about "Britain" and "Rule Britannia", not "Rule Anglia" or "All hail the conquering Albion"! The more you insist on "England" supposedly ruling the roost in anything, the more ignorant you appear. Please, just stop. It's too painful to watch.
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  37. Thanks. I'm actually really proud myself. To get this far without politicking, "applying" the art on other media, or having to defend my work while putting down others, I consider myself a winner. :-) I let the work speak for itself and it got farther than I expected.
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  38. I still love this crazy critter!!
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  39. See Tony, this is an example of what pisses everybody off about you. It's just so rich and hypocritical from Young Master "I don't care what you think, it's my opinion and I'm allowed to say it again (and again and again). Now stop arguing and let's move on back on topic". You're basically claiming the last word and keeping the thread off topic, and then demanding no-one answer you back Such a waste of one of your "precious" limited posts. It's posts like this that are destroying this site by driving respected members away and making others less keen to contribute when you turn just about everything into a discussion of you. Okay, I'm going to say it. You may or may not be doing maliciously, you may or may not be doing it deliberately, but you ARE trolling.
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  40. We've also made it out of the knock-out round more recently.
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  41. 2030 - The Moon, The Moon are the Favourites if they Bid. Honestly, how often do you want to repeat all of this? It's just as redundant as GCL's ramblings on the other side of the spectrum.
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  42. I would like to make some things clear or at least to try. There are venues «abandoned» but in most cases this is the result of very complicated processes. The OAKA is in use as before of the games. There are some legal difficulties with the license of the venues because the organization that manages the venues doesn't own the venues. So there is a managing problem with the maintenance of the Aquatic Centre, the Velodrome and the Calatrava Roof of the Olympic Stadium. Because of the 10th Anniversary those issues are again treated and I hope that they will find a solution. The Faliron Bay was a big issue in the last 10 years. A very big area, a lot of different interests. Finally a solution was found in the last two years and the Faliron Bay will be transformed in the next two years as work is already in progress. The result is a metropolitan park including the athletic facilities of Faliro Olympic Beach Volleyball Centre which isn’t in use now and the Faliro Sports Pavilion Arena and the Peace and Friendship Stadium which are in use. Current status The result Also in this area the National Opera House, the National Library are on the way with a cultural park founded by Stavros Niarchos and build by Renzo Piano. Work in progress first olive tree planted The Hellenikon Metropolitan was the biggest issue as this area is truly gigantic. Finally after 10 Years the Development of the Area was granted to Lamda Development and the project was presented couples of months ago. The area includes a skyscraper designed by David Foster. In my opinion 3 venues should have been temporary venues, the venues of baseball, softball and hockey in the Hellenikon Park. All other venues were part of gigantic transformation of Athens. Also the Nikaia Olympic Weightlifting Hall should have been a temporary Venue. 10 years later greece is facing the biggest economic problems in latest history. The crisis partly self-inflicted partly directed and constructed by european and international economic and political forces. This is thought not the result of the Olympic Games. In my opinion this argument is idiotically. The benefits of the Athens Olympic Games for Athens and Greece are so many and of great importance. I can't imagine not have experienced the Athens 2004 Olympic Games. Beyond Athleticism the Games redefined Athens and Greece and they are a milestone in history. Those Games set new standards in many ways and were the best in other. The Look of the Games is extraordinary and the Opening Ceremony a masterpiece of avant-garde art. As for the negative press 10 years later it is on the one hand ok and justified on the other part of a generic negative mood that has been created towards Greece and the greek crisis. But this is another discussion. Games full of pathos, emotion and eros
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  43. F**K Tony! Are you that desperate to post that now you come up with this? It gets harder to defend you when you pull sh!t like this.
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  44. If they were to host some sort of clustering would like happen. Divide 5 west venues (Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Regina) into one zone and (Toronto, Hamilton, Ottawa, Montreal, Eastern Canada) into one zone. At most for the preliminaries is a one hour time zone difference. It would definitely pose a logistical issue.which would weaken the bid. The 2014 FIFA u20 world cup has a group where teams are scheduled to play in Edmonton and Moncton, while the 2007 FIFA u20 world cup had Chile go Toronto-Edmonton-Toronto-Edmonton-Montreal-Toronto. I don't think a country which has made some of the lower tiered FIFA events the most successful tournaments in those categories can be defined as "bland" Well at least the stadiums would be built on time and the stadiums would be full
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  45. What exactly has been the point of the last 160 pages, then? When did we cross the line into throwing away anything, potentially legitamate, anyone brings up in this thread simply because "it won't matter, you'll never know!" in the end. Some of us are still looking out for this thing, some of us are still intereted in seeing if we can figure out where this damn cauldron is before the 27th. If you're not at all anymore, then maybe you should step out of this thread. You can always start a seperate thread for discussions that truly are tedious, nuance-filled, and ultimately un-conclusionalbe.
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