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  1. I don't care you're replying to an old comment, but it's missing the point completely to lose the point of reference when that comment is made. Yes, Sapporo said they're interested in bidding. That was before the 2020 Olympics got postponed by a year and will cost Japan a huge sum of money. And it's far from a guarantee that next summer will go off so smoothly. So add all that up together and are we confident Sapporo is going to bid for the 2030 Olympics? Because now it's going to be a year later that they are done with Tokyo and a lot more money spent, so they may have reservations about spending billions more on another Olympics when a lot of Japanese citizens aren't so sure they want the first one to happen.
  2. You're replying to a post from September. A couple of things have happened with the world since then that perhaps might affect whether or not Sapporo is in the game for 2030.
  3. The 1994 World Cup still holds the record for highest attendance, and that was with only 24 teams before they expanded. So clearly it wasn't that horrendous. Yes, I know the stories about European fans used to travelling by train who found it a little tougher to get around. Did Brazil not have to deal with that? Russia? And I'm pretty sure fans will welcome the North American experience with open arms after dealing with a World Cup held in Qatar. So save the sanctimonious nonsense as if the US-Canada-Mexico bid wasn't an obvious choice for 2026 over Morocco. It'll be an outstanding World Cup. And remember with expansion comes the new group stage format. 1/3 of all the teams will only play 2 games, so travel is not likely to be a major concern.
  4. This is FIFA we're talking about. Who once chose Qatar over the United States. So yes, it wasn't 100% that Australia/New Zealand would win, even against a less interesting bid
  5. You were saying... Australia & New Zealand Win Vote To Host 2023 FIFA Women’s World Cup
  6. Yea, we're pretty close to that point already. The good thing about 2028 is that - unless something ridiculous happens, and I don't even want to think about that - is that there's no way Trump is the President at that point and someone else will have been in place for at least 3.5 years. I can't offer an outsider's perspective, but I'm guessing we haven't quite reached the "we're as bad as China" point just yet.
  7. Qatar was awarded the 2022 World Cup nearly 10 years ago (December 2010). FIFA has had almost a decade to re-evaluate that choice with all that we've learned in that time. And yet the 2022 World Cup is still scheduled for Qatar. They didn't have the balls to go up against an oil rich Arab nation and tell them "you know what, we changed our minds.. sorry." If they didn't do that in 2013 or 2015 or 2017, why would they do it in 2020? Yes, that World Cup is likely going to be a disaster on a number of levels. But the time to fix that mistake has come and passed. FIFA has to live with the fallout and yes, they'll tell the world that they're happy with the decision rather than giving any indication they regret their choice.
  8. I've said it many times on here.. a lot of infrastructure projects got spurred on by the 2012 bid that might not have happened otherwise. So there was some value in that effort and what it led to, even though it didn't result in the Olympics coming here
  9. What is a "world class aquatic centre" anyway? Having an Olympic-sized pool and ancillary facilities is something many cities can build, but there's very little use to put thousands of seats in that venue considering how little that would get used. But it's interesting to note this is a thing... Flushing Meadows Natatorium That was going to be the water polo venue for the New York's 2012 Olympic bid. It got built anyway and opened in 2008.
  10. What Stefan said. The IOC isn't always the most forward-thinking organization. Sure, they may votes along lines with the next Olympics in mind, but do you really trust that the IOC will take care of Tokyo solely so they can ensure Sapporo would stay in the running for 2030? This postponement and the ensuing fallout may have but the kibosh on their plans already. The more alarming revelations from this are the implications on future hosts. Potential bidders may need to be increasingly wary of what they're getting themselves into. And yes, the IOC clearly needs be much more open with how they're helping out with Tokyo or else it's going to make them look bad.
  11. As the article notes.. there wasn't a plan B the first time out. Then they said they would take 4 weeks to come up with a plan B. 1 week later, they announced the postponement. I don't know if another postponement is possible and will be under consideration at any point. But it doesn't seem like it should be completely out of the realm of possible for that to happen just because he's saying so now
  12. Did you take your meds this morning?
  13. Their DNA? What exactly does that even mean? Yes, the IOC has weathered crises before. In the 70s and 80s, their mere existence was under threat, but they managed to steer their way through those rough waters and re-emerge as strong as ever. Remains to be seen if that's going to happen in the upcoming decade. The IOC doesn't exactly have the most stellar reputation around the world these days. The number of cities offering themselves up to host the Olympics has been shrinking for quite some time. Which was why we've seen the IOC re-think their selection process for choosing a host city. A large reason for that is because these cites and countries don't want to work with the IOC anymore. We've seen numerous cities put together a plan to host the Olympics and have that fall apart either because of poor management or because the will of the citizens to push back and force referendums has ended their efforts. That's something the IOC has rarely had to deal with throughout their history, let alone on the scale we're seeing now. It's not like it's just 1 or 2 cities where that's happening. The number of failed bids is greatly outnumbering the number of bids that manage to get far enough to be presented to the IOC. And now we're dealing with COVID-19, which has postponed an Olympics for the first time in their history, and still leaves in question how things are going to look next summer. The questions that will continue to come up over the next year is who will pay the costs for the delay. Is the onus on Japan and the organizers to spend the money necessary? How much is the IOC helping them out? It's another point where prospective host cities for future Olympics will question the relationship between the IOC and the host city. It may cause those cities to question their involvement with the Olympics if it's going to cost them more money than it's worth. It's not a matter of the IOC being able to deal with the Tokyo Olympics and work towards future Olympics at the same time. It's about those cities rethinking their plans now that the reality of a pandemic has reared its ugly head. So yes.. the IOC certainly has an eye towards 2030 and 2032 and beyond. It's a lucky break for them that they don't need to think about 2028. But where Tokyo 2020 would have been in the rear-view mirror 3 months from now, instead it's something they have to manage for an additional year. Among other things, that certainly puts a hold on Sapporo's efforts to put together a bid for 2030. And you can be sure that the folks in Queensland will want to see how the next year plays out before they sign on the dotted line (assuming they wind up being the IOC's choice for 2032)
  14. Yea, good luck with that. They may have been able to do that before the pandemic. No way it's happening now. The IOC is going to be busy spending the next year salvaging the Tokyo Olympics. After that, only a few months until Beijing. Then maybe they can start focusing on 2032. So we are at the bare minimum 2 years away from naming a host, and who knows what cities might step up before then given the state of the world. Yes, 7 years is no longer the official standard. But do we expect to get a 2030 host much before 2023? Probably not. And we might not see a 2032 host until after that at this point. Because the conditions probably won't be right until then. Lets see how these new norms/Agenda 2020 actually play out, particularly now that COVID-19 may have had a ripple effect beyond just Tokyo's Olympics getting postponed
  15. I still don't get how they're supposed to make this work with the swimming venue. I get that the whole point is to have the warm-up pool nearby, but they're not using Dedeaux Field as much as they're using the space for a temporary structure that's going to take awhile to build and make it difficult to restore the original condition of the field. Yes, that's going to displace USC baseball for at least a year, just like it's probably going to impact the 2028 football season at USC, possibly more depending on how long it takes to construct and then remove the platform. In terms of your comments about pushing back.. shouldn't Rio have dont that with UCI prior to the 2016 Olympics instead of caving in and building a new one? It's easy to say in a vacuum that the host cities have leverage, but if there's more than 1 bidder, than a city still has to put their best foot forward or risk losing the support of an IF. That's their recourse.
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