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  2. Roger87

    Winter 2022

    And still famous athletes like Lindsey Vonn supported Cortina as better ski resort and was really critical of Are But hey, maybe these 47 voters were Norwegian/German/USA lovers who were afraid of Sweden.
  3. Roger87

    Winter 2022

    OMG, now this "pathetic argument" is gaining value, isn't it? Also, Rogge was a salesman. That was "diplomatic". He even said Guadalajara, Durban, Doha and Kuala Lumpur were ready for SOG.
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  5. thatsnotmypuppy

    BidWeek: No Winter Games In Sweden. Ever?

    That Stockholm press release is a damning slap down of the much vaunted Agenda 2020. The IOC's flexibility is still hugely limited and thus has taken Sweden completely out of play.
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  7. (Sigh.) It's clear that the IOC went to Sochi because the Russians promised to pay whatever it takes (and then some) and you're probably right. (That said, Sochi was--by far--the most fun I've ever had at an Olympics, winter or summer, because it was disorganised but had a lot of money; eta Rossiya is a phrase I will never forget.) Corruption matters less if the people are still watching on TV--the real risk the IOC runs. It's already had to change the Winter Games to keep younger viewers, and if only autocracies can host then why not just watch the X Games in Aspen? Agenda 2020 and New Norm are really aimed at making TV viewers feel less guilty about watching the event, FIFA can get away with more because the punters tend to watch football regardless of what happens off the pitch; the IOC is not so lucky, particularly when the US still provides much of its revenue. FIFA also got burned by South Africa 2010 (which it had to bail out), just as Rio 2016 was a mess behind the scenes, held together with duct tape. The last thing the IOC wants is risk which the Swedes--amateurishly--refused to provide reassurance on.
  8. thatsnotmypuppy

    Tokyo Olympic Tickets thread

    Yep. The good stuff won't hit the market until February/March if London sales were anything to go by.
  9. I want the handover segment in Tokyo to be the first in a trilogy and the other two to be the opening ceremony and the closing ceremony.
  10. baron-pierreIV

    Paris 2024 Ceremonies

    I think we will have an inkling of Paris 2024's thinking for Ceremonies with whomever they pick for the Preview at the Handover section next year at the Tokyo 2020 Closing. I have a feeling Marco Ballich could be in the strong running for it. Haven't heard anymore from David Atkins' crew or Five Currents.
  11. Until Sweden does a Beijing-Sochi and spends oodles of kroner to build bullet train service between Stockholm and the mountains PLUS, have their own sliding track, they will NEVER get it if the Games are just rotated between the following, MORE COMPACT settings (I don't mean combined; just showing them as representative of that region): 1. Salt Lake, maybe Denver/Aspen/Colorado Springs 2. Vancouver/Calgary, 3. Sapporo/Nagano, 4. Milano/Cortina/Torino, 5. Oslo/Lillehammer - Amsterdam, 6. Grenoble/Annecy, 7. Albertville/Geneva, 8. PyeongChang, 9. a possible NE North American bid of Lake Placid-Montreal-Boston-Killington. 10. Almaty 11. dark horse Ulan Bator 12. an Iberian bid; Andorra, Barcelona, Jaca, Zaragoza When all is forgiven with Russia and Putin is overthrown, I am sure the IOC would love to go back to Sochi and use those facilities again! The IOC, if it also wanted a Nobel Peace Prize, could afford to resurrect and rebuild Sarajevo. So Sweden must really have a COMPELLING story to tell; none of this "Agenda 2020" window dressing which I know, in its heart of hearts, the IOC doesn't really care for. It's just lip service.
  12. At least for now, Spain is safe. Even acting as counterbalance for Italy. Let's see what happens next, but Pedro Sanchez played his cards excellent.
  13. Now, I would say this also helps Brisbane/Gold Coast and a potential Istanbul/Marmara (Or Izmir) bids to spread the games.
  14. I wrote this elsewhere but it make sense posting this here as well: Sweden lost because it mishandled the politics, failing to realise that the IOC knew Winter Games were fragile and wanted reassurance, not to be treated as if the IOC "needed" them more than the other way round. There was also no story to Stockholm other than the "never hosted" one--which Rio 2016 pretty much ended as a playable card. (Gothenburg is 400 years old in 2021 and is staging a multi-year celebration, which could have been a story.) I hope that they pick themselves up and try and try again until they win, just like Pyeongchang.
  15. I could say, this can happen sooner considering the good WOG bids are scarse. Also Lyon has a feud with Paris for living in the shadows
  16. I know that this feels sour now, but the IOC would arguably gain from approaching Sweden seeking a reconfigured bid. I'm surprised that Gothenburg was not considered instead of Stockholm: it has three ice arenas, a speed skating oval, a nearby world cup cross-country course, and is about the same distance from Lillehammer as from Falun. If they tried not to build anything new except the Olympic Village they may have a concept. The IOC after these reforms has a choice about becoming more like FIFA or continuing the openness begun after the Salt Lake City scandal. I don't think Salt Lake is a sure thing for 2030, and this might just work if the Swedes were willing.
  17. I can certainly imagine they’d be working on the former if both cities are interested - then they can get stuck into a massive reform/PR campaign to get Norway back on side for 38. Or by then enough time might’ve passed to let France host again - if Milan/Cortina is a winnable combo then Lyon/Chamonix certainly is. But unless the IOC are really desperate for Europe in 2034 (or really confident in getting a strong field for a competition at least) then if SLC & Sapporo both really want the Games, the IOC would be mad not to do a double - just like the 24/28 situation.
  18. Well, it's been quite a while since they had their last major tournament and their stadium infrastructure could actually need an upgrade. With England or Spain probably going for the World Cup, the next Euro is up for grabs.
  19. Well, if your discipline takes place on say day 6 one can head to the main village afterwards. What about that comment on double awardings, though? Might they already be working on SLC 2030 - Sapporo 2034? Or Brisbane and a European bid (probably Rhine-Ruhr) for 2032/36?
  20. Nacre

    Paris 2024 ceremonies

    Yeah. I loved Frantz (one of my top 10 favorite films) but it has nothing in common with an opening ceremony for the Olympics.
  21. Al in NYC

    Tokyo Olympic Tickets thread

    I think there were a large number of sports for which CoSport released very few tickets or none at all from the US allocation. Keep in mind that CoSport is still working to sell their highly marked-up tours, which include a few "premium" tickets each. I expect the July 2 sale to be mostly tickets for these same sports that most people got yesterday, as the inventory will be made up largely (entirely?) of tickets that people didn't accept from this first round.
  22. With this they mean a summer Olympic could spread out on multiple cities as long as all athletes can stay in the main Olympic village, if they want to. As i understand the article. But how many would du that do you think? if there contest has a 2-3 hour journey? For the opening ceremony and you don´t have to compete the next day, perhaps, but after that? i´m doubt it?
  23. Reporting from Geneva, Switzerland – International Olympic Committee (IOC) members voted Wednesday to unanimously approve proposed changes to the Olympic bid process that will make the timing flexible, allow joint-city projects and put more control into the hands of new Summer and Winter Future Host Commissions. Devised by Australian IOC Vice President John Coates and […] The post IOC Session Approves Significant Changes To The Olympic Bid Process appeared first on GamesBids.com. View the full article
  24. Rumor has it, Italy is also preparing a Euro UEFA bid. Verona would be part of the host cities (It was part of the 1990 FIFA World Cup plan). "Surprising" ("" for irony) the M5S agrees on these events lol.
  25. baron-pierreIV

    Paris 2024 ceremonies

    To Monitors: could you move this thread to the Same-titled thread under the Paris 2024 folder? Thanks.
  26. You know.. this feels like one of those situations where we actually agree with each other mostly, but we're expressing it differently so it sounds like we don't agree. I have my opinion, you have your opinion. That's all. Get over the "devil's advocate" nonsense as if it's some personal insult if someone else posts an opinion in response to 1 of your posts. You interpret history however you'd like. I'll do the same, thank you. HAHAHAHA, amazing.. you just described yourself to a tee!! How many times have you replied to another poster with "well you're the guy who said that other stupid thing" in the same way a school kid holds something random against someone else for no good reason. You literally just did it right here bringing up another completely unrelated comment! I hope you appreciate the irony here, though. You're bashing me for getting carried away in the "could or could nots" and yet every time it was brought up about the potential of a 2026/2030 double, I shot it down because it was ridiculous how some people came to think that. And there was you all too often telling us it "could" happen and offering up scenarios for it. The funny thing is that I don't think you ever actually thought there was any chance of it happening. You were just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. THAT, sports fans, is the textbook definition of playing devil's advocate. I don't "think" I was "right" about something. I WAS right about something. No quotation marks needed. Sure, it's being right about something that had about a 99.9% chance of that something, but tell that to all the people who posted about it and thought it might actually happen and largely whose reasoning behind it was "it happened last time, so that's why it could happen again, because IOC, amirite!?" So forgive me for poking a little fun at the situation when you'd probably do the exact same thing if it was the other way around.
  27. So what? There is NO ATHLETES' VILLAGE in Verona. The main villages are in Milano and Cortina.
  28. thatsnotmypuppy

    Tokyo Olympic Tickets thread

    Based on what I am reading on reddit/instagram - canoe slalom and tennis seems to be far and away the most allocated sports. Seems no-one got sports climbing or surfing at all.
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