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Australian Kiwi

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  1. 1 - What makes you think the IOC would not be enthused with "secondary" cities? There is a long history of them hosting as much as the likes of LA, Paris and London (Brisbane is preceded by Atlanta, Barcelona, Montreal, Munich, Melbourne, Antwerp, etc.) 2 - Politics is why. The UK is a difference place to 2005 and I think there would be a degree of backlash if London was seen to be a walk in for a fourth Olympics without consideration of other UK options. 3 - Yes. Not sure what you mean by "first class" though. Standard Olympic punters dont stay at the Ritz.
  2. What makes you think a well designed Manchester-Liverpool regional bid would produce white elephants?
  3. Fourth UK Olympics - yes. Third London Olympics - no thanks. I really like the idea of Manchester (with Liverpool) or a regional Scottish Games (Edinburgh-Glasgow-Dundee).
  4. Well, when a member of the Commonwealth - the Solomon Islands - has effectively pledged allegiance to the CCP I can't really see that happening.
  5. Auckland? It makes me wonder wtf the CGF were actually doing for the past few years in the lead up to 2019 when the 2026 host was meant to be selected. I just can't shake the feeling they were not doing anything proactive at all (especially when you read that there is interest from cities - it just seems like they were not engaging ). They're very lucky for the can-do attitude of one Australian state, otherwise it would be all over.
  6. Also I can't emphasise enough how much I think the MCG as the opening ceremony venue is so incredible ridiculous. The whole point of this event is to demonstrate the Games at a smaller scale to appeal to smaller hosts. Staging an event in a 100,000+ seat stadium in a city of 5 million is not how you do this. It should be Geelong.
  7. Its a bit rough, given that City of Shepparton councilors are the ones who first came up with the idea and started the alliance of regional cities aiming for 2030.
  8. "The 1956 Olympic Games is estimated to have attracted 1.153 million people." lol-what? The Herald Sun truly is nonsensical garbage.
  9. It is a good thing it's being held in a state with a strong history of delivering large and successful international sporting events.
  10. It wasn't your opinion of Melbourne I was rebutting - it was you revising history and effectively putting words in Coates' mouth.
  11. Agree its all optics. A 2036 German Olympics - if the messaging was handled appropriately - could be quite profound. Especially after Ukraine, pushing 'United Europe' would have a lot of resonance.
  12. As for the topic at hand - I have it from a reliable source that "an announcement" will be made before Easter (next week).
  13. I'm no Joan Coates fan - what makes you connect Melbourne's preparations for 1956 for his bias against the city? Has he ever said this? The preparations were bumpy (its not the only city to have faced issues, hello Montreal) - but to suggest the city isn't capable because of how things were handled almost 70 years ago is kind of bizarre. Lets face it - if climate were not an issue there is a very good chance Melbourne would be hosting 2032.
  14. This is all highly subjective but I would say Los Angeles and Toronto are as different as Tokyo and Beijing. TBH - as you say potential for a triple dose of USA/Australia/Canada that is the biggest hurdle. The handovers might start to look like the Commonwealth Games.
  15. That is generally how the informal continental rotation works, isn't it? But yes - LA2028 should be no barrier at all to Toronto hosting 2036.
  16. Manchester's 2002 Commonwealth Games Stadium is a great example of how a city like Toronto could approach the main stadium issue: Games mode - open ended with temporary seating to fit the track. Post Games - stadium 'completed' to enclose a soccer field.
  17. That I think is precisely the issue - its just more empty fanfare at a time when the IOC should be focusing on their premium event's sustainability. Its especially odd when their most recent Olympic appointment is Brisbane, but previous YOG ('B team') hosts have included the likes of Singapore and Buenos Aries - prominent global capitals. If I were Manchester, why on earth would I want the YOG when the SOG is now clearly being promoted as an accessible option under the New Norm?
  18. The YOG is the most mind numbingly pointless exercise. The Olympics are for the youth. I get the impression the YOG was borne out of the early 2000s where you had cities like Madrid, Paris, Tokyo, Chicago, Toronto, etc falling over each other to get the Olympics. Meanwhile their flagship event went to Brisbane unopposed. What kind of city exactly do they hope to take this on? Dakar should cut their losses and run.
  19. I don't know - but given the IOC has relaxed on Olympic Stadium specifications I have a hard time believing a city like Toronto could not come up with an innovative solution for a 60,000 seat Games stadium that could be downsized post Games (we are talking about 2036 minimum here, so it could be a rebuild or replacement of BMO).
  20. While I think there is nothing more boring than a Sydney-Melbourne pissing contest, I can't help but challenge some of this where you are really making stuff up. Firstly - Sydney as 'the Best Ever' was the opinion of one man who bestowed it upon host cities within his tenure (exception Atlanta). Rogge and Bach did not continue this tradition which started in 1984. Simply put its highly subjective and puts down the efforts of previous hosts. That being said Sydney 2000 was (in my opinion) one the most well organised and impactful Olympic Games of recent decades. Melbourne 1956 was never declared or "rated" as 'the Friendliest ever' - it was known as 'the Friendly Games'. Lastly it is a very big stretch to suggest that Sydney has "more modern, Olympic standard" venues than Melbourne. I would argue that they are probably about even - which is more a feather in Melbourne's cap given it did not host only 22 years ago. And (in my opinion) Melbourne's Olympic Park and MCG precinct is one of the most sporting precincts in the world - in terms of its sheer size and capability (its effortlessly centralised in a way that countless other cities can only dream of in their Olympic bids). The MCG's upcoming rebuild will only cement this.
  21. If Vancouver's tilt at 2030 falters (which is looking more and more likely) I could see Toronto 2036 as a possibility. I don't think they need to bother with cohosting with Montreal - everything could be well contained within Southern Ontario. Assuming Hamilton gets the 2030 Comm Games there could be a great baseline of venues on top of Toronto's Pan Ams 2015. The only potential threats to this is Dubai, India or a major European capital (Madrid, Rome) or perhaps a another Brisbane-type host (Manchester?).
  22. Sochi 2014 is my favourite Winter ceremony too. Agree that if it were a Summer ceremony it still would be on Athens coattails as one of the best. Probably not far off what Moscow 2012 would been. Runner up winter favourites for me are Salt Lake 2002 (silver) and Vancouver 2010 (bronze). Both were amazing. My favourite Summer ceremony is Athens 2004 without doubt. Runner up summer favourites for me are Atlanta 1996 and Sydney 2000 (both tied for silver) and Barcelona 1992 (bronze) --- 1992-2004 was a golden era.
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