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    OK, let's gooooo...take it away Marc! Thank you to T-Rex for kicking us off (just go with it, we got a TARDIS), & a warm welcome to the eleventh Annual GamesBids Olympic Logo Design Comp, launching somewhat early due to the IOC deciding that there really is such a thing as an offer you can't refuse. Anyway, before we get going it's only right & proper to properly thank the comp's two legends: Thatsnotmypuppy, Pikachu, thank you for creating this idea initially, & Sir Rols, Fatso (it's the wombat's name, ok), thank you for bringing it to this point & for being the general good egg/sounding board once again here. If this hits the heights of those previous events, I'd be more amazed than if Portugal won Eurovision. Wait... Right then, I'm tempted to sue T-Rex under the Trade Descriptions Act, because this isn't a revolution, it's a continuation - there'll be no wild experimentation this time *board exhales*. We have the traditional logo comp format - one summer city & one winter one. To introduce them, we have a couple of special guests, so to introduce our summer city for 2017, please welcome Mister RANDY NEWMAN! LOS ANGELES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2028 That looks more wintry than intended...oh well. Yes, we are continuing with a grand tradition dating back to comps for Rio 2016, Tokyo 2020, & even Paris 2024 (eat that, Nostradamus), with an aim of showing the future organisers how it should be done, & maybe get into a few Google Image Searches along the way. This is America's Olympic (& entertainment) capital, one of the world's most famous cities, so surely there's plenty to draw from to create a 2028 logo that can follow on from the iconic Stars In Motion: as Tinseltown prepares to make its third mark on the Olympic history books. And who knows, maybe with the help of Google, you might even be able to fool some people that your logo really is the real deal So, summing up, we want a host city logo for the Games of the XXIV Olympiad in Los Angeles in 2028. Who knows, they might already be looking. But it is not just summer. As is tradition, there's a winter bit too, and to introduce that, please welcome our next special guest, and it's a big one - ladies & gentlemen, Mister BILLY JOEL! (Yes, I know it's out of date, but don't worry, Vlad isn't playing #ThrowbackThursday again - you try finding a song called St Petersburg :p) SAINT PETERSBURG, RUSSIAN FEDERATION 2030 Yes, it's the Cold War of logo comps which brings us to the second city of Russia - so good they named it 3 times, and a city that has actually bid for the Winter Games before. Ok, it was for 1994, it was still in the USSR, it was still called Leningrad, & nothing came of it (except a mascot apparently) but other than that, everything's the same. Whatever, the city's rich history should lend itself well to producing some great Winter Olympic logos - at least compared to the last Olympic logo from post-Soviet Russia: The bar is set low Again, to sum up, we want a host city logo for the XXVI Winter Olympic Games in St Petersburg in 2030. Don't fry your brain thinking about how they'd actually stage the thing. ------------------------------------------------------- Next bit - the general rules, advice, stuff etc that hasn't really changed from previous years: We are after logos for that encompass the overall feel of the city and local influences that can be tied into a design concept. How can any of these cities articulate graphically what they could bring to future Olympics hosting? What flavour will they bring to the games? What will Vlad & Donald think of it? The logos should be presented as full colour designs on white background. If you like, however, they can also be presented in black and white or utilised in forms like street banners, t-shirts, apps, vehicles, pins etc. For voting purposes, the main (colour) logo will be used on the polls, & extra stuff is not obligatory, but any extra material you produce may help you “sell” your design better to the wider GamesBids voting membership. These logos are for HOST cities. So you can use the rings, and don't need to include the words “Candidate City, Olympic Games 2028/30” or whatever the IOC want this week. Post your preliminary submissions on this thread. If you want to hold anything back to be presented as a “surprise” when voting starts you can contact me or Rols via PM and I'll tell you where you can send the extra material. However, it would be nice to see as many on-thread submissions as possible for people to chew over in-thread. Feel free to post as many logo designs as you like, & to ask for feedback from our famously discerning electorate. If you really can't decide between your own designs, feel free to start a poll (or to ask for one to be started). When the time comes for voting, however, you will be asked to settle on ONE official logo in each category (winter and summer) as your official entry. The competition is open to all members of GamesBids, or to any new legitimate members who join before the end of the submission period. I, with consultation, will rule on the legitimacy of new members. As you would expect, I will rule on any disputes - always aiming to be as fair as possible in the process. As always, just remember, this is all meant to be fun. Olympic spirit, remember?. Hopefully this will spark up some action on the board. I'll be dipping in, keeping a close eye on things, but otherwise will try and keep hands (paws?) off until the polling stages. The deadline for submissions is 12PM London time on IOC decision confirmation day, SEPTEMBER 13, 2017 - so hopefully the lead-up to this will spark some board activity. We will thus begin the road to 2024/8/6 too awkward - hopefully with activity from the session's aftermath with the voting for short lists, followed by the final round polls. And this is just to alert @Rob. to the existence of the new comp in the hope that he'll do his traditional bit of putting up links to various free design programs etc for the benefit of those who want to take part but may not have the facility at the moment. All that is left to say is thank you Rols once again, and to all participants for having the guts to put your logos up for the annual GamesBids dissection, & may the best logos win. GOOD LUCK/удачи!
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    My starting point was of course the city itself. St. Petersburg is cultural capital and has rich cultural heritage, which includes palaces, cathedrals, churches, gardens, sculptures and monuments. From all this information I realized that I want logo who reflects the authenticity and the classic vibe of the city. I found out about the khokhloma- Russian wood painting style and national ornament, which is known for its vivid flower patterns, and the effect it has when applied to wooden tableware or furniture, making it look heavier and metal-like. I want the athletes who will come to the olympics to feel the same thing on them- to be tougher and stronger like metal. To create more connection to the olympics, I chose to use the olympic flame, which represent the inner fire of any athlete, their passion and energy.
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    Nearly everyone in every Olympic city says "traffic will be terrible!" and then they're proven wrong. Having lived through the Olympics in my backyard (Vancouver in 2010), those 2 weeks were the easiest weeks for driving ever. LOL! Foot traffic, sidewalks, and plazas were very busy though.
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    RuFF, there's plenty of really smart people on these forums that have been studying the games for years. I've had many an enjoyable talks with them and they've taught me a lot. If you want to have intellectual discussions with them, be more civil in your discourse and I'm positive others will respond in same. A lot of the members here have valid insight to the games and they want, just as you do, for their insights and opinions to be heard and recognized. With regards to Paris, I understand your point about Paris, given its government funding, to potentially become a show of vanity. However, I would point to both Sydney 2000 and London 2012 as examples where games with government funding did not turn in to Beijing like vanity games. Cost overruns in both of those games was a result of underestimating costs and major infrastructure projects; in both cases the governments tried to reign in spending. I expect the same to happen in Paris. France is not in a good economic position and the French people would not respond well to their government spending billions and billions on the games. Additionally, as others have pointed out, many of the projects that will be completed for the games were already in the works. Many infrastructure improvements have been planned since the last days of the Sarkozy administration. While Paris' organizing structure runs the risk of potentially unnecessary cost-overruns (vanity), I don't think in this current economic climate it will happen. Paris also has a much better sporting infrastructure than London did in 2012. It was one of the reasons most people thought Paris would beat London during the 2012 race in '05. Since then Paris' infrastructure has only improved.
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    Look who's back?!? You sure got out of Charlotteville really fast, Truff. Anyway, back to the topic -- uhmmm, bringing the Games back to Paris will create several thousand jobs, even though those might average out to be 1.5 years each -- still that's employment for probably many young French people.
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    "E-games" certainly are the total opposite of engaging in sport, which is what the Olympics are about TBW. 'Sitting' behind a video game console is not what constitutes an athlete anyway.
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    City of Champions stadium. It's got the best initials ever imo. It will be built in Inglewood and host the OC and CC.
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    New video posted by the B1M on London's olympic legacy five years on from the game. Great video:
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    Been really disappointed with the BBC studio pundits (Gabby Logan, Radcliffe, Lewis and Johnson), who are normally pretty good. Really patronising towards crowd re: the whole Gatlin thing and just now I've watched them practically bully an IAAF medical professional of 30 yrs experience and try to explain her job to her. Horrible TV.
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    Is AbraTrollson also joining her?!
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    I just heard from Ruff. She's either entering into a partnership with the short-lived Anthony "Corleone" Scaramnga; or entering a nunnery of defrocked French Benedictine nuns.
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    The roof pieces are really starting to come together now. http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/tabid/614/Default.aspx http://www.jpnsport.go.jp/newstadium/tabid/615/Default.aspx
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    They rewrote a single line from the old Olympic enka since the original refers to Rome, but the new one refers to Rio.
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    So, same condition as when the teams moved in in 2010 then...
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    Well now that the 2024 and 2028 saga is settled, the IOC has two solid hosts that buy them some time but still doesn't solve the problems which they've been grappling with ever since the 2022 race and I think the upcoming Olympics in Pyeongchang and Tokyo are ultimately going to determine whether or not the IOC is really serious about reform. Pyeongchang - I have no doubt that they will host an outstanding Olympics next year (barring a war on the peninsula). However, it's after the WOGs conclude that I see problems. The Koreans do not have a great track record when it comes to white elephants. Two cases in point, when Korea co-hosted the 2002 World Cup, rather than refurbish the Seoul Olympic Stadium they built an entirely new stadium. Why? Even worse, when Incheon hosted the 2014 Asian Games they built a 60,000 seat stadium for athletics (when they had 50,000 seater built from the World Cup that accommodated an athletics track) with the oft-repeated but failed concept of scaling it down to 30,000 afterwards. The downsizing never happened. Now the Olympics are coming along and the Koreans have built two-full sized ice arenas plus a speed skating arena (that could see demolition after the WOGs). The IOC even encouraged the Koreans to use a sliding track in Japan yet they built one anyways. I don't doubt that some increase in winter sports will occur post-Olympics in Korea, but is it realistic to think that the Koreans will find regular use for all these venues. I doubt it. In fact, it's likely the Pyeongchang Olympics will be overbudget though not to Sochi scale. Tokyo - Governor Yuriko Koike promised to get costs under control and while she did somewhat, she largely blinked in the face of pressure from the IOC and respective sports federations. In fact I liken it to a poker player with a full house playing someone who has two pair and folds. She folded on the issue of venues for volleyball and rowing. Somehow the story was spun that building the Ariake Arena for volleyball was a more cost-effective option than using the Yokohama Arena? Then were was the whole fiasco with the rowing and canoeing venue when she threatened to move it outside of Tokyo. She could've stood her ground and said you want the sports here this where they will be held. What could the IOC do? Take the Olympics from Tokyo? Not likely. Instead the costs are still continuing the rise and if Tokyo goes over budget as its on course to do, then Governor Koike will have committed political suicide. The IOC talks reform but they still want their cake and eat it too. Rio was a good case of this with the problematic golf course. Eduardo Paes was on record saying he thought building it was questionable considering Rip had several existing golf courses that could've been used, but the IOC insisted on the new course. Going forward, if the IOC wants to continue to draw western countries into the bidding process then the IOC is going to have to accept the fact that the compact bid won't always be available. We've already seen that in the plans for Innsbruck, the regional bid in Germany, and even Calgary, citing the need for two 10,000 plus seat arenas, partnering with Edmonton if the Flames cannot get a new one built.
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    For the same reason that Uytengsu can't be used for the swimming venue---no room to build expanded viewing stands for spectators. What is now called the John Argue Swim Stadium was built specifically for the 1932 Olympics, and was used until well into the 1990s. Then in the late 90s until the early 2000-aughts, it closed and was abandoned for a bit, and sadly become a canvas for taggers, as I recall. But then it was restored and reopened in 2004 and is a big asset to the community; my partner's nephew had some high school swim meets there. But, as part of the refurbishment, what was the shell/outer walls of the permanent stands used in the 1932 Olympics, though restored to its Art-Deco-y glory, is now the facade for a building built within the old walls that houses a pre-school, a rec. center, a senior center and theater. So, they could build temporary stands on one long side of the pool (as was done in 1932) but not on the side where there's now a building. Original facade of the 1932 Olympic Swim Stadium: What it now looks like on the other side: Small photos but here you can see how they built a building within the old walls of the permanent stands: And I thought this video clip was interesting; if you grew up in SoCal and watched PBS, you would be familiar with Huell Howser. Anyway, in the first part of this video, he talks about the 1932 Swim Stadium with Sammy Lee, and you can see it before it's abandonment and restoration. The video is from 1996. Hmm, I had trouble with linking the clip; anyway, if you're interested in watching the video, just click on this, and then click on the first Google result (California Pools- Californa's Gold 702 - Chapman Blogs): https://www.google.com/search?q=california+pools+huell+howser&oq=california+pools+huell+howser&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.4319j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 This image from Google Maps shows how 1932 Olympics/John Argue Swim Stadium looks now: That semi-circular pool is a shallow pool for kids to play in and whatnot. It also dates from when the swim stadium was constructed for the 1932 Olympics. Some screen grabs from the video I linked above. This shows the swim stadium during the 1932 Olympics. Temporary stands were built above the semi-circular shallow pool. This is an old view from when after the temporary stands were removed. A few more screen grabs from that video... What the 1932 Olympic Swim Stadium looked like in 1996 before it was turned into what it is now: Huell Howser interviewing Olympic diving champion Sammy Lee.
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    Agreed. I get that it's a necessary evil with the Coliseum, but you'd think they'd be able to come up with something more creative than this. I have a strange feeling we might see a change with this plan at some point between now and 2028. It gets lost in translation sometimes.. building venues from scratch is not necessarily a bad thing. The problem comes in with there's no legacy plan. This is LA we're talking about, with 2 major universities and other smaller ones. I have to imagine someone can come up with a better idea than this where there's some sort of legacy left beyond the shell of a baseball stadium. I understand there are technical limitations here that make this all easier said than done, but look at Atlanta or Sydney or London. They built new venues, but none of those are white elephants as all of them had a proper legacy plan. I don't see why Atlanta can't do the same. And it's neither here nor there as a point of comparison anymore, but between LA's temporary venue and Paris's permanent one, which of those 2 will look better in the long-term?
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    Wassap mah d00ds *incoherent grumbling about LA and 2024* shoutout to mah bud @Sir Rols LA'28 So I started off with a star, y'know cuz 1984 and 'merica. But then I was all like, NO! that's the old news LA, yesereebob. This is the NEW LA of 2028 we're talking about. So what's more future than Gehry's own Disney Concert Hall cuz y'know, 21st century LA is DYNAMIC and VIBRANT so the star legs got Gehry-ified but then oops now it now suddenly looks like a flower but hey, it's colorful because VIBRANT and what's more VIBRANT than a sunset, amiright? Oh and I added stripes cuz '84 and whatnot and yeah I'm very sleep deprived right now. Feel free to talk about how un-LA this is. Ok bye.
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    Baron was around all the way back to the last time Paris hosted. I'm sure he would know.
  22. 1 point
    I really love the Op art look of Mexico 1968!
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    i give this thread a C- for drama. ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
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    Oh no......I didn't search for anything related to your design......I was searching Los Angeles 2028 the other day and this guy Jacob Sandford's portfolio popped up....he did a project for Seattle 2028. I'm always curious to see any Oly design stuff. So then when I saw your posters (which I loved) the color and photographic elements, the proportion, and particular the compositional cues where like deja-vu. They aren't the same at all.......and I don't think you copied. By the way, I copy all the time.......copying is my favorite!
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    More then two years after the close of the games, there is still drama around the stadium built to host football. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/ticats-soccer-1.4247402
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    I agree, but the public perception against the Olympics is too strong because of the evidence in the likes of Sochi, Rio, Athens. And I think the opponents of an Olympics in the likes of Calgary, Sion, and Innsbruck would point to the proposed budgets of an Olympic host and then the actual budget. In an era where the public is highly skeptical of public spending, it's hard to see how simply pointing to Paris and LA would be enough to win over public opinion
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    Just a little tease picture before I release the full logo and brand:
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    Wanna show off then?
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    You're welcome. Not to turn this thread into a circle jerk, but yes, you're completely right. Pile this on with the fact California is facing a huge budget crisis and economic slowdown that will likely worsen in the years to come and you've got a perfect storm for unrelated, but completely related fuckups. See...this makes no sense to me. If the average Angelino can't afford the games...what's the bloody point in having them? Even if new stadiums are not being purpose constructed and tax payer dollars not being used for the venues and such, citizens will still have to adapt their entire lives around the games. For two months the city will be in 'Olympic Mode'. The least the OCOG could do would make the tickets affordable so that citizens could enjoy the event that cripples their city for the entire summer. To me it also just makes financial sense. You'll sell way more tickets if they're affordable and actually expose people to new sports/fulfill the goals the movement apparently aspires to fulfill. Not much point in just hosting a two week long jerk off for the privileged and wealthy. Just like LA, everything Paris is doing is not "Olympic dependent". From stadiums to the villages to infrastructure, everything is going ahead regardless. The only thing that changes is the speed of some projects. Again, that's something every city experiences. But you're right, for the boosters the fact that Paris is even building a village and not using a university like LA means that Paris will be a failure and LA a success. The next 11 years are gonna be long. It'll basically be a "LA will be better than Paris" fight. To be honest, I think both games are going to be amazing and very exciting. No point in pitting them against each other. Now, I'm all for pitting Beijing 2008 and LA 2028 against each other...**** China.
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    Hi. This is my first time trying to join this competition, as long as I'm accepted as a legitimate member. I've found this design competition from the net and this time I decided to debut in it. So anyways, here is my logo for Saint Petersburg. I will try to make one logo for LA, but I'm currently seeking for inspiration and idea
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    2028 is going to be a far cry from 1984, & even moreso from 1932. I think this (Abrahamson & Co.) notion that simply bcuz L.A.'s last two Olympics were "so successful" (& that's relatively speaking), that L.A. can simply replicate that success in 2028 would remain to be seen. The Olympics in 2028 are going to cost at least 10x's more just to "host" them, than they did back in 1984. And probably 100x's (or more) than what they cost way back in 1932. That's not to be misconstrued that 2028 won't be successful. But to put 2028 as of now on the same plateau as 1984 (& 1932, which shouldn't even register at this point anymore) is a wee bit premature here. I posted an article last month (but which got removed [IDK why], along with other posters posts, when a certain L.A. bolster was still around. I will try to find it again & repost it) that particularly talked about how there actually was some social unrest to the lead-up of the 1984 Games. And actually, there have also been some recent articles about "the risks" in the social & political climate in L.A. come 2028, as an argument against the Games eleven years out (which is also mentioned in the article I posted earlier). And as far as L.A. 'just hosting a two-week celebration, nothing more, nothing less', couldn't be further from the truth. While granted, a lot of L.A.'s projects aren't "directly" related to the Olympics, they are however, still Olympic dependant. Like the new (very expensive) NFL stadium in Inglewood that will play host to the ceremonies. The purple-line expansion to UCLA/OV. The LAX terminal reconstruction, & the $1 Billion Coliseum retrofit, among other venues as well. And any amount of delays in any of these areas can cause issues. So lets not fall into the fallacy that all L.A. has to do is just "host", cuz that wouldn't be an accurate picture, either. There's still plenty to be done, even in 'ready-made' L.A.
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    The new stadium in Inglewood is gonna be awesome. The model you see in this video is impressive in my opinion. I can't wait for this thing to be built.
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    No, the bulk would be the EST, which is the entire East Coast of the U.S. (& some Midwestern States as well) & would also include the bulk of the Canadian population, too (Ontario, Quebec & the Maritime provinces). That was always in Toronto's favor, if they bid again, that they were located in that all-important EST-zone (which emcompasses a huge population of the U.S.).
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    One upside, I've just realised, is that I saw Bolt's last individual track win when I was in the stadium Friday evening. @daveypodmore, @yoshi, not sure if it was shown on tele but the 'opening ceremony' was basically a couple of songs from the Games Maker Choir and Khan's and Coe's speeches followed by a quick burst of fireworks. Not much more. Didn't realise we had a thread on this. Might as well post my pics in this one as well:
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    They can always tweak the school-year just for that semester. Plus, there's also Pepperdine, Loyola-Marymount, CSU-Long Beach, Dominguez Hills who can also lease their dorms in a pinch. And if all the dorm situations are maxxed out, there's probably a new, big development of apartments/condos or two which have not opened yet to the public which LAOOC-28 can lease for the short period needed. Having staged 2 Olympic Games before, and of course, working with Tokyo and Paris, the Org Committee will have a handle on this. Housing for 2028 I think is the least of the worries of the new LAOOC. It's transport and contingency plans should a major quake derail/delay things, that they will have to work on.
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    Plus, a whole region (not one city, like Hamburg previously -- but like six cities) of Germany, the 4th richest nation on the planet, has already raised its hand to bid for 2032. And by the time that bid gets serious, Bach will be on his way out, so he would not be too restrained to push the right buttons and exert undue influence on the IOC for a Germany/Westphalia 2032 Games to become his biggest legacy. And 2032 would be 60 years from the last German Games, so that gap would be most acceptable.
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    Laura Flessel would be a great choice. I would also add Florent Manadou's sister Laure, someone from the great French men's handball gold medal teams, David Douillet, Emilie Fer, Lucie Decosse, Julie Bresset, Eric Srecki, Jean Galfione, Jeanne Longo or even one of Flessel's Sports Ministry predecessors and a gold medalist himself in Guy Drut?
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    Cool, so it's official---Paris and LA will join London as being the only cities to host a Summer Olympics thrice.
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    Totallympics Addicted 118 1,077 posts Nation: Canada Report post Posted 50 minutes ago The following teams have qualified. For basketball it was the top 3 in the world rankings, host nation and 4 invited nations. For netball it was the top 11 in the world rankings + host nation. Men's Basketball teams Australia Cameroon Canada England India New Zealand Nigeria Scotland Women's Basketball teams Australia Canada England India Jamaica Malaysia Mozambique New Zealand Netball Australia New Zealand England Jamaica South Africa Malawi Fiji Wales Uganda Northern Ireland Barbados Scotland
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    Adelaide? I agree, though, about RW. If the bid actually materializes, the IOC will pounce on it like a bunch of prostitutes! But that still remains to be seen. A German bid would be an interesting match up against an Aussie one, particularly on these boards. And South Africa just seems to be a stalemate now. So who knows about them anymore. Pity. Russia & China will only be looked at seriously if the IOC doesn't get any other viable contenders from the West. Otherwise, they can kiss 2032 goodbye. And of course I'm sure that you'll have Baku-koo & Doha-hah trying again (although Dubai would be a better choice coming from that part of the world). Even Moscow & Shanghai look attractive against those former two. Ponder if Istanbul will try again, too.
  43. 1 point
    Never mind long memories. To the best of my knowledge, the trial of sports administrator Suresh Kalmadi, charged with corruption in 2013 (relating to offences around 2010) has not yet started!
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    Curious article. https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170720_29/
  45. 1 point
    It certainly has. I'm pleased to say that I'm still feeling my Pan Am buzz.
  46. 1 point
    There many cities in the USA that could host. For example Seattle Center could use temporary pools at Key Arena and Memorial Stadium. And the city could renovate the old Aqua Theatre on Green Lake for diving and high diving. (see here) Seattle also has an aquatics center from the 1990 Goodwill Games to use as a training base. I am sure that Minneapolis, San Francisco, etc have similar venues. But this still requires finding $100m in public funding just for the event itself, and it is illegal for the national government to provide any of the money. Also, does anyone in the rest of the world really want the USA to host? My home state is trying to sue Trump's administration to halt its anti-Muslim policies, but no one in the rest of the world cares about that. And for an American city to host there will have to be heavy commercialization to provide the money to fund the event; Seattle would only be able to host if Starbucks, Microsoft and Amazon paid for it.
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    Wow, wasn't sure we'd ever see this headline.. NBC's 2018 prime-time Olympics coverage will air live on the West Coast My reaction to this..
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    You mean like England and lions?
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    Actually, Japan started to bid for the Summer Games after the Nagano 1998 Winter Games. They were in competition bidding against Beijing with Osaka. Yeah, one could argue that jealousy motivates most, if not all bids. But at least the Japanese were bidding for the other seasonal set of Games & not another winter edition so soon. And when Osaka lost to Beijing, the Japanese took a break & didn't stubbornly come back (like Madrid did) when continental rotation & geopolitics weren't in their favor. Madrid just seems so wreckless & stubborn, like a fiercely jealous little sister over her more popular, bigger sister, just wanting & constanty planning to outdo her at any moment. The Jan Brady syndrome is what Madrid is suffering from if you ask me. Not very compelling in the least.
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