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  1. 4 points
    These Games were a wonderful pick me up after the organizational mess known as Rio. I shouldn't be surprised because the winter games always seem far more enjoyable than their big brother. I think that is because, at least in the case of American athletes, the winter athletes generally are far more likable than the summer games with its fair share of egomaniacs. These Games were impeccably organized and well-staged. As for empty seats, there were many empty seats at Seoul in 1988 as well as many of the World Cup matches staged in Korea in 2002, maybe the tickets were overpriced or maybe Koreans just do not flock to events unless there is a decent shot of Korean success. The Games also looked terrific (well, other than the bare patches of ground, but we saw that in Vancouver and Sochi, and we'll see them in 2022.). The venues were nicely dressed and that made for a festive looking event. The television presentation by OBS was first-rate and the camera work in many cases was beyond expectation. Thirty nations won medals. Belgium, Hungary, New Zealand, Spain, Liechtenstein, nice to see you back on the table after being gone for quite some time. his was the third straight Games that we had no first-timer, and I have to struggle to think who the next one might be. I hope we will not see the numerous changes that we have in recent Games. Great to see the American gold breakthroughs in cross-country and curling. The talent on display at the Games was astounding, It is fascinating to how some of the sports have evolved over the past decade. As usual, it was the athletes who stole the stage and shoved all the extraneous garbage aside. Thanks to the athletes for reminding us what the Games are really about and why we, even if we do not agree with the people who run the show, should give the competitors our rapt attention and support. I've been an Olympic junkie since 1980, and, even after 38 years, it is never easy to see the Games come to an end. There is always a certain emptiness for me when the emotional investment into the Games is gone. I will try something different though as I have saved most of the medal ceremonies on my DVR and I will watch a few each day before work just to get my day off to a positive beginning. It was a very enjoyable few weeks. I am glad that the Games have helped to restore some of our members' enthusiasm for the Games. I've missed a lot of you.
  2. 4 points
    Dear Tulsa - Hello from Gangneung, South Korea. As you know I am a fellow Frenchman. I will not rate Games from worst to best. I have been to six of them. All I can provide is a personnal feeling, among the six I attended, the ones I enjoyed the least are the Torino 2006 Games. The attendance to the alpine venues where I went was low, and the big city was engulfing the Olympic feeling of the Games. Does not mean they were better or worse, just a personal impression, and comparison to my previous visit to SLC. I have also to break some news to you : Albertville 92 Games were not among my best experiences either. In Albertville, I attended the Games from OC to CC, being there for sixteen days, going to up to three events a day, more than 30 events total, including all figure skating events but one. The Ceremonies were great, real breakthrough ones, but the too spread out venue plan was a logistics nightmare and removed some of the Olympic feeling by being too diluted through the Tarentaise. My best experience - no surprise there - is Lillehammer 94, you can't beat the Norwegian Games for the mood. And by the way Lillehammer was as cold or even colder than PC. I was at the 50 km and I still feel cold thinking of it. I would put PyeongChang on par with SLC in my memories. Contrary to your statement, the ten events where I went (hockey, alpine skiing, nordic skiing, bobsled, figure skating, speed skating, short track) were packed except for the best seats Here is why. I made the point for Sochi, one of the issues at the Olympics is that the best seats, reserved for Olympic family, TOP sponsors, athletes, etc are often empty, and since these are the best seats, they are more conspicuous on the broadcast. The Olympic park in Gangneung was smaller than Sochi's and was nicely crowded. Long queues at each pavilion of the sponsors showcases. I can not give enough praise to the wonderful PyeongChang volunteers ; the quality of the brand new facilities and of the venues is great - and there was snow. And free Wifi in each venue or ice rink. The compact venue plan made it easy to watch multiple events on the same day, even if you switch from Alpensia to Gangneung. You can't beat the KTX which takes you between the stations of both clusters in about 20 mn at high speed and for about 6000 wons in comfortable seats. Regarding Sochi, wonderful experience overall for me, great organisation and venues. It is only the context which makes these Games feel "Bad".
  3. 4 points
    Okay @Tulsa, are you almost over your two week, sour grapes tantrum? It’s been quite childish at times but, hey, if that’s what floats your boat, and it has added to the board activity, so I guess it’s been worthwhile in your mind, even if I doubt it’s changed even one person’s opinions. To address your original proposition - no, these have not been the worst WOGs in history, you’ll be disappointed to hear (if not accept). In all, they’ve been pretty good, well organised, lacking in major scandals, engendered a bit of positive and hopeful news out of the Korean Peninsula after a year of anything but, been more focussed on the events rather than extraneous issues and at the end more positive in spirit than many. Was it one of he best ever? Well, that’s always going to be a subjective call. Myself, I’d rate them as modesty successful but no Lillehammer (I guess I’ve just preculuded my post in the “verdict on the games” thread). Others may/will have differing opinions. Anyway, you’ve been hung up on this notion that certain countries, notably Korea and China, just aren’t fit to host a winter games and should never be given that honour. What utter arrogant bullish!t! The games belong to the world, and anyone with the means and sheer physical and geographic capability are entitled to host. They do not belong to a select group of “approved” countries. The WOGs themselves are already constrained to a smaller pool of possible hosts because of geographical and climatic requirements. But to follow your logic, that pool should be made even smaller to suit your offensively patronising cultural prerequisites. Yes, traditional winter sports countries in North America and Europe will always make good winter games hosts - and they will continue to do so for the lion’s share of WOGs in the future. But it’s important, even essential, that the less traditional locals - the Koreas and Chinas - also get their chance at times too. They need to be able to have the chance to embrace the Olympic spirit, to be exposed to the winter sports, to be given the chance to show off their societies and landscapes and hopefully be inspired to get more enthused by winter sports. And the WOGs can indeed achieve this - Japan really wasn’t a traditional winter sports country before its first WOGs, but now I see in recent posts of yours that it’s been promoted to your personal “WOG-worthy” club. It’s similar to the summer games - i would be easy to jut spread them around a small selection of advanced and venue-rich cities and nations (*cough, cough, Paris and LA) and never venture away from them ever. And, yes, there’s a legitimate debate to be had over the merits and social responsibility of less-developed and affluent cities and countries, like Rio or somewhere in Africa, hosting such an expensive extravaganza, but at the end of the day it is important and essential that they are allowed or even encouraged to share the spirit of the Olympics by hosting when their circumstances responsibly permit them. To specifically address some of your recurrent “points” of the past fortnight. Let’s take audience crowds. Okay, yeah, there were empty seats at times and not everything was packed to capacity or bursting. But that happens at EVERY games, even the most successful ones, and in winter games, even in your beloved and winter sports successful approved Western European host cities. There’s a lot of reasons why his is so - sponsor seats not being taken up, prices, travel costs etc. But there also were large contingents of enthused and respectful locals at many events, particularly those that they hold dear or had good chances in (and that’s natural, and again to be expected of any hosts). There were also decent numbers and contingents of spectators from around the world coming in to cheer their teams. And as was mentioned in other threads as well, while large crowds certainly can lift a good games to something truly special, at the end of the day it’s not the priority issue to decide on the success of a games or not. Particularly when for the overwhelming bulk of the world’s population, the games are experienced through television. The Koreans embrace of the games was average, but certainly not dire and certainly not games-wrecking. And onto climate. You’ve been railing against fake snow an barren landscape. What I saw on screen was constant mention of extreme cold and good snow cover of the venues amidst attractive wintry landscapes around. The biggest problem was a bit of wind in the first week disrupting some events. All games, and particularly the winter games, are hostage to the weather. PyeongChang wasn’t the first to use, or even the most drastically in need of using, artificial snow. Some of your beloved approved tradional hosts have had far more problems with their snow cover. In all, PyeongChang had far less snow and weather issues than many previous winter hosts. When the campaign to choose the 2018 host was in full swing I was firmly, for personal and emotional reasons, hoping for Munich. But that was not to be - que sera sera. I’m glad now, and think it was good an important, that they chose PyeongChang. For all the reasons mentioned above, I think it was essential that the IOC spread the winter games beyond the NA-Europe winter sports insider’s club. Maybe, to make a tidier list of host cities, it could have been four years earlier or four years later, bu it definitely had to happen. And Korea certainly didn’t drop the ball (or puck or whatever). Anyway, I guess for you it’s back to four years grumbling bitterly under your rock. Have fun. See you in Beijing 2022, I guess, for Round 2 of your dummy spit.
  4. 3 points
    I really enjoyed these Games, first on TV and then flying to Seoul and spending five days there. Mascot: a very good one, not as facetious as Hero the Hedgehog but very present at all venues, and interacting with the public Transportation: well organized, regular and dense Olympic bus network. Maybe a bit too specialized so that you had to change like four-five times to go from your hotel in Gangneung - if you could find one - to the mountain venues. The regular city bus network was free, but had limited working hours, was not working late so if coming from a late hockey match the final item of your daily routine could be a very long walk. Otherwise the taxis (alternate solution) were relatively cheap and could drop and pick you quite close to the Gangneung Olympic park North and South Gates. The KTX was the most convenient transport from Gangneung to the mountain venues (Jinbu train station), I finally found out. Not free like in Sochi, but relatively inexpensive and fast (about 20 min between Gangneung and Jinbu) compared to the Sochi - Adler - Krasnaya Polyana railway. Gangneung Olympic Park: Four venues, all brand new except curling plus a stadium which could have hosted the ceremonies without problem (why ?). Special mention for the toilets with brand new white soap bars every morning (Korean do not like soap dispensers ??). The blue plastic seats in the venues were reasonably comfortable. Seat and gate numbering was sometimes confusing, since there were often gates closer to your seat than the one indicated on your ticket. Pretty boring house of Tokyo 2020. Access to House of Beijing 2022 needing to perform on line registration three days in advance and provide your passport #. I hope it does not announce the modus operandi for these Games... Nice food and ambiance at House of Canada. Packed full superstore and McDonald's as usual. PyeongChang Olympic Park: larger than the Gangneung one, but without real venue, only the stadium, the Medal plaza, shops, exhibits and restaurants. A bit sad and too large for its function. I am sorry that the figure skating medals are no longer given in the venue but are now on the plaza like the other sports. When you have attended a figure skating competition, you are not going to drop everything to do a 3 hour trip to PyeongChang for the medal ceremony. Connected : free wifi in all venues, was working very well, even the outdoor ones. Maybe a bit distracting for some younger spectators. Saw a lot looking their iPhone or posting on social networks instead of actually watching the athletes... For some reason you had to switch off/reset the iPhone when going to another venue, the phone was not recognizing the wifi from a second venue when you had connected to a first one beforehand. Attendance : most of the venues where I went (hockey, speed skating, short track, figure skating, nordic skiing) where packed full. Alpine skiing (giant M) was half full as well as bobsled for 2. I suspect that the arenas were fuller during the second week than during the first week. Mostly Korean people in Gangneung, with a small contingent of Europeans, Canadians, Russians and Japanese. More foreign people in the mountain venues I felt. Other amenities: Loved the distribution of free heater packs and free flags from your home country. Unfortunately French flags were given out before I arrived. Food at the venues was ok but un-Korean : tuna sandwiches, sausages, hot dogs, nachos with cheese, etc. Volunteers : for me the highlight of the Games, always smiling, always helpful, I would have like to hug each of them individually, but they were far too many. And of course they survived thanks to the heaters pack they constantly had in their hands. Their mastering of English was sometimes limited but then Google translate is your friend. Security : ok but not invasive, no military guys everywhere, like in Sochi. Lots of very young policemen and women. Waiting time are security control was short. All the Olympic Park in Gangneung was in the same security perimeter. Overall I would put them from my spectator experience at the level of SLC. Not out of this world like Lillehammer but better than Torino for sure. Sochi is a special case for me because as a spectator it was wonderful, but there is the context, these Games nearly killed the Winter olympics. Also a factor to consider is that due to better health and higher salary available I could go to more events (up to three a day) than in Sochi or Torino. As said by others, congratulations to Korea and to the volunteers for excellent Games, indeed Games as they should always be. I have been following Korean bids on GamesBids since the first one for the 2010 Games and it was a great satisfaction to see them delivered so well.
  5. 3 points
    From all that I see via television coverage, PeyongChang has does a masterful job in presenting this Olympic Winter games, The venues are impressive and even spectacular. There appear to be no significant problems with any venue and it appears these are truly winter games in a winter climate with fresh snow almost daily and cold, crisp days with brilliantly blue skies. Its a far cry from Sochi where air temps sometimes reached summertime highs during several days and Alpine events were held on melting snow. The spectacular PeyongChang scenery, the thoughtful amenities provided at each venue to make events more "user friendly" for the participants, the outstanding maintenance at each venue--it all adds up to a remarkably professional and positive Olympic experience. Just watching young attendants clearing the ice of flowers and other gifts tossed to the skaters, or holding gates and doors for athletes as they arrive or depart a venue, or sweeping the shooting mats on the biathlon course--the list goes on. South Korea evidently has considered every aspect of of successful Olympic experience. It appears that in a crazy world PeyongChang has masterfully create a truly joyful Olympic experience free from scandal, major glitches or significant mistakes. I hope those remarkable facilities continue to host world competitions for decades to come and continue to bring prosperity to that region. South Korea has done an outstanding job. And the 2018 winter sports facilities give rise to the argument that the games deserve a permanent home with the very best of facilities. PeyngChang fits the bill. Those venues deserved to see another winter games in the near future.
  6. 3 points
    Torino was noted for a lot of empty seats as well.
  7. 3 points
    In this new age, it's very good and necessary to spread the love of sports (especially new kind of sports) to many new regions. Winter sports have been so restrictive in its nature but that doesn't mean people in certain areas shouldn't be hosting or promoting it. It's not going to take just one Olympics event to spark the interest with this kind of sports but it's a very good start to change such culture. I don't like the idea of keeping the games in certain regions all the times because they're more popular there than elsewhere and in the end the rest of the world will continue to perceive Winter Sports as something impossible and distant that only Europeans and North Americans can master. They have been hosting Winter Games there for a long time. It's very rare to have Asian countries to host Winter Olympics and after Beijing 2022 I don't think there will be more anytime soon so it's a good thing to promote this kind of games here in this continent.
  8. 2 points
    Here is NBC's coverage of Cathy Freeman's Race. One of the Great Moments In Olympic History
  9. 2 points
    Well, Tokyo 1964 already acknowledged it by having the final torchbearer being born on the day the bomb was dropped. Whether that precludes another mention, who knows? But it’s certainly something that could be up for some role.
  10. 2 points
    It is perfectly dishonest to include in the cost of the Olympics the cost of permanent and useful infrastructure such as the high speed railway line between Wonju and Gangneung.
  11. 2 points
    And the sour grapes continues.
  12. 2 points
    While I do fault Garcetti for not acting more quickly on the homelessness situation, I can't pin the blame on him entirely, or on liberal governance. The homelessness problem has been decades in the making. 1. Many of them are not from Los Angeles, or even from the west coast. This has been well documented by many non-profit organizations. Many come from RED, CONSERVATIVE States where they simply get them one way tickets on Greyhound to the west coast. 2. Enforcing the laws does nothing. The cops can cite all they want, they are homeless, they have nothing, we can just put them in jail, it will be insanely costly and will fix nothing. 3. The homeless you see on the streets of LA, SF, Seattle, San Diego, are not illegal immigrants. Immigrants often find housing with a relative or friend. I don't even know how this made the list. 4. Where do I even start, SF, really? A city a fraction the size of LA? 5. You're delusional 6. You are sounding very Hitler-ish I get your frustration, I have it too, and liberals and conservatives alike are fed up with it. But blaming one party or one mayor is stupid. Many past administrations both Republican and Democrats have failed to address it. Housing them isn't enough. That is a band aid approach. Each person has his/her individual needs. No one wakes up one day and decides they want to live on the street. It is a systematic failure of sorts. Many are veterans with unchecked/untreated PTSD, some are young gay and lesbian kids who were kicked out of their homes for being gay (looking at you southern states), some left abusive relationships, and many are just very mentally ill and are getting no help. The city, county, state, country needs to provide services to this people so that they are not just housed, but get the help and treatment they need to stay off the streets. Having worked with homeless in California I can tell you it is not easy. They are humans, not animals, and they each have their own tragic story.
  13. 2 points
  14. 2 points
    awwww....Soohorang was always hogging all the acrylic boxes, he's a little ham.
  15. 2 points
    It sounds silly, but it feels almost like the Olympics are back. For the first time since 2012, I don't feel a sense of almost relief that the Games & negative stories will stop - only the usual sadness that the action has finished again. Korea hosted what was, really, a drama-free games, & you can't ask for more than that. How nice too that the only geopolitical story to come out was one of ending war rather than starting it. It's funny, the Olympics have been in holes before, but they always survive. I'm sure the next 3 summer cities will do what's needed, so as long as the IOC can keep Beijing on a tight spending leash, & get at least one of the big 3 candidates for 26 to actually come through, this could be something of a turning point. The IOC should have bought itself enough time to solve the Summer problem - especially with 3 cities they can be confident in. Play their cards right, & they could yet save the Winters too.
  16. 2 points
    Well I'm glad I didn't stay up late to watch that feature length Samsung commercial. Just seemed like a tableau of half developed ideas. I liked where the turtle segment was going, and then it just trailed off into a cloud of nothingness. The drones..... fantastic. I noted that the commentators on our broadcast made a very big deal to convince the viewer that this was actually happening above their heads. It's a little sad that the art of *stadium theatre* has got to a point where we can't assume everything is happening for real,. Maybe we need to pull back on some technology (i.e. the star dome of the opening) until we can do it for real. I'd take an Athens 2004 opening Milky Way any day. I have to say, and I hate using this word from my tween years - but what is it with Asian hosts being so damn *try hard* with trying to convince the world they do tech stuff. I'm sick of death of people trying to make microchips and fibre signals worthy of a segment in an opening ceremony. It lacks heart and it's just not interesting,. By all means use tech to help produce your show, but the Beijing handover did zilch for me. In fact, I'd say one of the worst I've seen. It was awful. The only good thing about it was the soundtrack. There was no story, no meaning. It made me feel like I was wandering around a Harvey Norman tv department. Just... nothing. Very disappointing. I hope the Chinese check themselves for the opening. Just because we've had a history show in Beijing 2008 doesn't mean they need to produce show focused on IT. The Americans have never felt to devote a ceremony on Apple, there's no need for the Koreans or Chinese to do either.
  17. 2 points
  18. 2 points
    Hodori, the mascot of the 1988 Olympics in Seoul.
  19. 2 points
    Well, I never knew Thomas Bach was an Olympic champion in fencing.
  20. 2 points
    First winter closing ceremony to not have an opening balls-up to laugh at since 2006.
  21. 2 points
    Well, I'd already done a potted version of my verdict elsewhere here earlier today, but tradition is tradition, so thanks Olympian for giving the opportunity to expand on that. I really hadn't been focusing on the Olympics much in the lead-up to the games either, so it was really a pleasant, almost surprising, diversion to find myself immersed in the Olympic spirit again. It felt like coming back to the family home for a nice visit again (and, BTW, nice to see some of the old GamesBids clan return to the board for the occasion). And it was even like a more relaxed return to the games, as I wasn't observing quite as microscopically as I have most of the recent games since I joined GamesBids. As I gave to the OC, I also would rate the Games overall as a good and solid A. To repeat what I'd posted earlier: They’ve been pretty good, well organised, lacking in major scandals, engendered a bit of positive and hopeful news out of the Korean Peninsula after a year of anything but, been more focussed on the events rather than extraneous issues and at the end more positive in spirit than many. There weren't as grandiose or spectacular as Sochi, and in this day and age that's a good thing. They were modest, when the Koreans really had no constraints on going more lavish if they'd wanted. As to crowds or snow - well, I'll just reiterate what I've also argued elsewhere - it's not like past WOG hosts never had either of those issues, or that PyeongChang set a new low bar in either of them either. From a Team OZ perspective... I miss our run of Gold Medal Winter Games from 2002-2010. But we equalled our haul from 2014, so not too bad, I guess. In all, like any Olympics, sorry to see them close so quickly. Really looking forward to Tokyo now. And while Beijing 2022 is one of the few host choices I've really despised over the years, PyeongChang now has me cautiously looking forward to them with optimism as well. Cross fingers China can learn from Korea and resist the urge to go overboard with one-up manship. For me at least, still got two more Games coming up in a great time zone for my viewing. Oh, and Olympian. Yes, it’s natural to ponder what might have been. I think it’s a fair bet to say that many in the IOC are kicking themselves that they didn’t go to PyeongChang four years earlier or left it till four years later. But from the perspective of 2007, Russia then seemed like a solid, even logical choice. And by the 2022 vote they’d dug themselves in a hole. In hindsight, it may well have turned out differently if they’d known what was ahead - and I would probably be in Munich now attending my first winter games.
  22. 2 points
    There is a remarkable degree of insanity in the all of sliding events, but the excitement, daring and ability of the bobsleigh teams, and the fact that the sport is as old as the modern winter games makes the bobsleigh the most wonderful event in the entire games.
  23. 2 points
    Very well said. I have been pleasantly surprised at how well the Games in Pyeongchang have turned out. I can already see a generation being inspired after the many achievements made by Team Korea at home, and given the next Winter Games being coincidentally so close, that will hopefully aide in even more Olympic spirit within the Korea peninsula. I am particularly happy that Korea won a gold in a sliding sport, because that sliding track, which was doomed a white elephant at the start of the Games, may now be able to become a world-class training facility for the likely-growing sliding sports within the country. The same goes for curling. And like you said, Koreans not attending a hockey game between Germany and Canada is the same as the Americans not attending a Biathlon event with all European contenders in a US Olympics. I think it's really important to look back 10-15 years later at a country after hosting, and see how it affected them long term over the short term benefits they saw in the year directly after the Games. Remember, Barcelona 1992 didn't look too good directly after the Games after not bringing in as much money as hoped, but given the vast majority of the budget going towards infrastructure, an airport, a new beach, new hotels, a downtown revitalization, etc, the Olympics are credited to transforming Barcelona and growing it into the economic and tourist hub it is today, and that wasn't achieved in the time immediately following the Olympics. There is much more to Olympic legacy than attendance during the Games.
  24. 2 points
    Well said. Looking at number of empty seats is the stupidest way to determine the success of the Winter Olympics in Korea. Legacy in new horizons doesn't mean being inspired by winter sports in Day 1, buying tickets on Day 2 and filling the seats on Day 10. Legacy is measured by the state of winter sports 20, 30 years from now. It's pretty cool to see how far Korea has come even since first bidding for the Winter Olympics in 2003. Purely a short track nation at the time, 15 years later speed skating and figure skating are also part of the sporting landscape. Yuna-babies are propping up over the country, and I wouldn't be surprised to see their real Olympic impact beginning from 2022 or 2026 onwards. And with Korea now having won its first ever curling medal, I can see curling being the next big winter thing in Korea. And who would've ever thought a Korean would win gold in a non-skating sport so soon? It happened in skeleton, and now Korea will have a sliding centre to call its own after the Games. Big change from even 10 years ago. And the crowds look good to me. The skating venues are packed, as expected. The locals have embraced their curling team and their hockey team in the stands, even though everyone knew their hockey team was never expected to contend, and even though games not involving Korea weren't all well attended. Some of the snowboarding events were well attended, no doubt helped by the locals adopting Chloe Kim as one of their own. I haven't watched any biathlon so I can't speak to the crowds there, but no one in the world cares about biathlon so I don't blame anyone for not attending biathlon events. Biathlon is a joke in North America, Asia, Australia, well, everywhere except Europe. Overall, I'm not sure how anyone would expect much more in terms of attendance, given the circumstances and location of the Games. From what I've seen and heard, I'll remember Pyeongchang as a Games with friendly people, great weather including a mix of lots of snowfall in the first week and later sunny skies in the second week, a small intimate setting not seen in the Winter Olympics since the 1990's, and great sporting competition. All without the catastrophe of Sochi or any other major scandal. It's just about what you can expect for a Winter Olympics in a new horizon.
  25. 2 points
    My vote for flagbearer is Kim Boutin.
  26. 2 points
    Vancouver is 2.5 million. Plus 350,000 in Victoria. Seattle is 3.5 million, but few people traveled from Washington to BC for the Olympics. It is a three hour drive or four hour train trip from Seattle to Vancouver even without a long line at the border or delays from the numerous and slow freight trains carrying oil, coal and lumber. There are empty seats at nearly all Olympics. London used fairly extreme methods to force the usage of all seats, and most organizers will not do that. Even in France or Germany there would have been many empty seats reserved for the "Olympic family," media and corporate sponsors.
  27. 2 points
    Uhmmm... Gangneung pop - 213,000; PC - 44,000 = about 260,000 for the area. Vancouver's metro population is what> 1.25 million? Plus Seattle & Victoria nearby, another 1.5 million?? You guys miss the point of giving it to an Olympic host. It's to give another part of the world a chance to host & exprience the Olympics. Full stands are good but NOT a requisite. Tulsa, grow up and get over Anecy's losst. Why isn't Anecy bidding for 2026 if you are so down on non-European hosts?? I bet you have no anser for that.
  28. 2 points
    The populations of Gangneung & PC just might not be enough to come and fill the empty seats. Include local peoples who are also working the Games, security, the hotels, the restaurants, etc. Obviously several thousand of those cannot justsdrop their duties to fill in seats simply for cosmetic appearances.
  29. 2 points
    Good points. The IOC had similar ideas when it elected Rio to for the 2016 Olympics, Pyeongchang for the 2018 Olympics, and Beijing for the 2022 Olympics. The goal of all of those Olympics was to spread sport, specifically sports that are not common, to new areas and encourage athleticism globally. It also gave the host country, more so Brazil and South Korea than China, a chance to show the world its culture in its past, current and future state (Beijing recently hosted the Summer Games so that's why I didn't include it). With Russia being a large Winter Sports nation, as well as the city of Sochi having a very smart bid completely based around encouraging tourism to an already-tourist-popular area, it made logical sense to award them the 2014 Olympics. However, the corruption and overspending have now pushed these typical host countries, like Switzerland, Austria, Germany and Norway, who continuously do well in Winter Olympics and would (and have) easily host successful Games, away. So while the few Olympics bouncing around to new locations has been good to help grow different sports in other countries and expose new cultures on the world stage, it is critical for the Olympic movement that 2026 is awarded to a city/country that already has popular winter sports, and can prove to the rest of those veteran countries that hosting the Winter Olympic Games and being successful is not a thing of the past. I am hoping for a Canadian, Swiss or Austrian Olympics in 2026, not because I want an Olympics back in the "veteran countries", but, quite frankly, I just want future Winter Olympics
  30. 1 point
    I’m waiting for some bright spark to do an Eric the Eel movie so we can see Hollywood do Sydney. It’s either that,or “I, Marion”.
  31. 1 point
    Truer words never said. For all this bitching about all these Asian Games - where is the real competition? Stop bitching - start lobbying.
  32. 1 point
    Apparently Bandabi is marching in several different outfits.. I saw him marching in trad and red cloth earlier..
  33. 1 point
    Cool new renderings of the new Rams/Chargers Stadium that will be used in the 2028 Opening and Closing ceremonies. Full article + pictures here ---> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/take-a-look-at-the-massive-sleek-%2426-billion-stadium-the-rams-and-chargers-will-call-home/ar-BBK1OUZ
  34. 1 point
    Not sure where to put this post, but here it is. I don't know if any of you have been following the political news from China, but one of the most important items of international news may be forthcoming. The National Party Congress that's just started is about to dismantle the presidential term limits that were put into China's constitution after the nightmare of the Mao era ended, specifically to combat the dictatorship syndrome. Since that time, China's political leadership changes every 10 years and was vested in a consensus-making group. Not a free system to be sure, but with its own version of internal checks and balances so no one person could run away with all the power. That is about to change--the current president, Xi Jinping, has requested (demanded) that term limits be abolished and that he become "President for Life." He has spent the last 5 years ruthlessly dispensing with enemies and amassing power in a way not seen for a long time in China. He has tried--with incomplete success but still in progress--to develop a cult of personality a la Mao. While the "vote" hasn't yet been taken, barring something completely unforeseen, it will happen since few are left who will challenge him. This will set him up to be a defacto dictator hearkening back to the Mao days, or equally accurately, the Stalin days. Why does this matter? Well, it has profound effects on the general international stage both politically and economically, things that will affect most countries in the world in some form or fashion. I first lived in China (although not that long) in the post-Mao Deng Xiaoping era, where China was poor, backwards, ignorant, but hopeful that things would get better. Tiananmen Square 1989 put a huge hiccup in that for awhile. Then returned to China during the Jiang Zemin era--probably the "golden age" when things were noticeably less repressive, economy like gangbusters, lots of risen expectations politically as well (most of which didn't happen), but generally very positive. This is the period where China was awarded the 2008 Games. Then on to the Hu Jintao era, where a more conservative leadership rolled back some of the progress and increased certain aspects of social control, but still not too bad. Then the Xi Jinping era started, though mild at the beginning there were definite signs that things were going to get bad, and they have. (I left full time residency in China at this time, partly because of this). Anti-foreigner mentality, social and political repression, outside internet access, etc all have become much worse. Xi is a seriously nasty character even by Chinese standards, possibly even by Putin standards... and about to get full license to get even nastier. As often-opined on this website, the IOC got stuck with two flawed choices for 2022 WOG selection, and made what at the time seemed like the least-bad of the two. I'm sure the venue production, logistics, etc will be taken care of in the normally successful Chinese way, but whether this will be the sort of games that anybody outside China will want to attend....I don't know. As with 2008 and the extreme security and control measures put into place for that entire summer, I wouldn't expect much "Olympic spirit," atmosphere, joie-de-vivre, whatever during the Games. But before that, I would expect China to experience increasing unrest of the sort that could make international headlines. China is a big place with lots of people, and not all of them are on board with Xi as a person, as a leader, nor with the idea of going back to a dictatorship or Emperor mentality. Xi Jinping has a disadvantage that Mao didn't have: having to deal with modern technology and communications and the peoples' ability to do an end run around state apparatus. Even in China, control is not complete and state efforts leak like a sieve. Hang on, this could be a bumpy next few years.
  35. 1 point
    - and here's a summary of UK Channel 4's coverage plans (with Clare Balding as usual providing continuity between the Olympics and Paralympics) Also worth noting, as featured on The Last Leg last night:
  36. 1 point
    Scotland were due to host Scottish Ski & Boarder Cross Championships this weekend but the event was cancelled due to the snow. That is why we could never host the Winter Olympics!
  37. 1 point
    In my opinion, warm colours contrasting the whiteness of the snow such as red and orange make those sports more attractive. It kind of reminds me to Sarajevo with that orange everywhere, including the wolf wearing such tone. What I love from PyeongChang 2018 were the start-gates using hangul shapes. And again, I hope Tokyo and Beijing use their scripts like Sochi and PC.
  38. 1 point
    This is already settled. I believe the pundits who surmised that Amazon already has a “general” metro in mind, but the bidding war will sweeten whatever incentives... ...that metro Washington can offer it. That’s to say the people who hacked Amazon and noticed a lot of inquiries being made about Arlington County VA leaked the info and all.
  39. 1 point
    Okay, finally watched it now. Hmmmm. What can I say? Well, floor projections can look pretty cool and all. And there were some particularly good ones in this show. But it all starts to blur and get a bit same-ish. I want to see something new and different. Bring back the bombast and big props. That is all.
  40. 1 point
    Puy du Fou would be an easy "out of the box" option for part of the ceremonies.
  41. 1 point
    a very fun winter games with lots of breakout sporting moments, thrills and surprises. the focus was exactly where it should be: on the athletes, and that's thanks to south korea's excellent organization. no green pools or half-finished village rooms, just 100 percent smooth. was it the best thing ever on par with vancouver or the now-mythically flawless lillehammer? no, but close enough. week one weather was a small blight but is par for the course in alpine sports. probably threw shiffrin off her game a little but who cares, really. not a whole lot of downsides, except (to be fair to tulsa's inane ramblings) they did build a lot of pointless venues. again, that's basically what you signed up for when you big for the olympics before 3-4 years ago when the IOC became desperate. the only problem in korea's case is those venues are horribly ugly eyesores. strip them for parts, i say. that hideous big air venue was not TV friendly and the sliding track was only marginally better. and what was the deal with building everything next to a highway?
  42. 1 point
    The video of "Beijing 8 minutes" on Youku: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzQyMjkxMjIwOA==.html
  43. 1 point
    And funnily enough, the re-use of the London 2012 recordings is the only thing that I know of where the IOC practises sustainability these days.
  44. 1 point
    A solid Olympic Games. I'd give it an A. Lots of highlights and underdog stories to remember such as Germany's run in the men's hockey and the U.S. Men's Curling Team winning gold. Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir was my favourite moment in figure skating but my highlights of the Games were USA's unlikely Gold Medal in curling and the USA-CAN Women's Gold Medal game. Shootouts shouldn't decide a Gold Medal Match. Despite postponements in the Alpine Skiing due to winds on the first week, organisation was flawless and perfect. It was a better Olympics than Sochi four years ago. It is the first Winter Olympics held in Asia outside Japan. For my home nation, we equalled our record at Sochi with 3 Medals (2 Silver and 1 Bronze) with my favourite Australian moment being Scotty James taking on Shaun White in the Snowboard halfpipe on Wednesday, 14th February.
  45. 1 point
    Says the one who refuses to imagine a Winter Olympics in any place other than Europe or North America....
  46. 1 point
    Salt Lake 2002 closing, actually, just after the fire rings were formed.
  47. 1 point
    Torino was noted for a lot of empty seats as well.
  48. 1 point
    Ceremony is called "Next Wave" and it seems it will focus on modern Korea and the future. I expect K-Pop will get more focus here. However, given the harsh weather of Pyeongchang, don't raise your hopes too much regarding the length of the show, we'll probably have another short two hours ceremony. Probably what everyone is looking forward to is the Beijing 2022 handover segment. The sole fact Zhang Yimou (the director of the universally acclaimed Beijing ceremonies) is doing it is almost a 100% guarantee it will be a high quality performance.
  49. 1 point
    Clearly, Sochi was the worst WOG ever. Fake arenas, fake host athletes, and shamelessly used in political propaganda by Russia's leader(s). Pyongchang only has the first of these elements, and even if the number of spectators were few even at spectacular events like downhill, the legacy of this WOG will be clearly better.
  50. 1 point