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  1. One positive thing about the main stadium, and this is not strictly part of the look, but the seating colouring with it’s speckled patterns do help give the illusion of having full crowds in the stands from long shots.
  2. Yes, all the figure skating program. Not that I’m aware of in Tokyo yet, but yes in the past - Phelps, Bolt, Alexie Nemov, Canadian ice hockey at Vancouver - indeed a lot in the case of winter. actually, edit about Tokyo - we did see the medal ceremony with the 13 year old Brazilian and Japanese girls in skateboarding. Yes, all of them
  3. Of course, people like to cheer on and see success by their national team. There likely also more familiar with sports more widely and competitively practiced in their country. But I think the Olympics have a broader appeal than just that. Take, for example, gymnastics in the summer games, or ice dancing in winter. Neither are sports where Australia are ever serious title contenders, yet both are among the higher rating sports watched here at any games, and given prime time screen time and rebroadcasts. Similar in athletics - people still relish watching Bolts in the 100m, or the Africans in the distance events. The odd breakthrough like Cathy Freeman or Sally Pearson are rare, and just the icing on the cake. Also, one of the delights of the Olympics is watching those sports that rarely get much airtime at other times. I love flicking through the feeds (we get the OBS broadcasts too) of the likes of skateboarding, fencing, BMX, archery etc.
  4. The Anzacs actually did quit and evacuate Gallipoli eventually. Indeed their withdrawal was a 100 per cent success, not a life lost. Desertions and mutinies by army groups also became a problem for the High Commands on both sides by the final years of the war. You’re being incredibly disingenuous bringing war into the discussion, but seeing you did - PTSD, or what they called shellshock then, wasn’t widely understood or recognised at the time. It inevitably contributed to an incredible high suicide rate in the 1920s among combatants from all sides in World War !. PTSD still contributes to veteran suicides today, but at least it is more recognised and actively treated by most nations. Because something wasn’t acknowledged in the past doesn’t mean things were better in the “old days. I’m sure we could find many an athlete who cracked under pressure, with tragic end results, in those past years.
  5. So, to you, compassion is contingent upon material wealth. Indeed, you feel the right to take joy, be “gladly happy” if someone materially better off than you were suffering from mental demons. That’s pretty twisted. How about considering that such a case would show that wealth is no shield against mental illness, that rather mental health is a great leveller that can afflict both rich and poor. Who said fandom is contingent upon nationalism? You don’t have to be Portuguese to have a Christian Ronaldo poster on your wall, plenty of Australians admire Michael Phelps, Simone Biles has inevitably inspired young gymnasts outside the US, and Naomi Osaka has no lack of tennis fans outside Japan. Indeed, it’s the fact that their popularity transcends national boundaries that make them such valuable commodities. Yet people DO continue to follow sports. To them they feel they get value spending money to watch or support their teams. You yourself have mentioned your support for various teams.
  6. Necessary? Maybe not, but then again there’s a good argument to be made that entertainment, diversion, inspiration, pride and such are also vital to our holistic well-being. It’s intangible, but not trivial. Are elite athletes over-valued? Their material wealth and market value is only as much as we, the great masses, the working people, allow them to be. Their worth to their clubs, their teams and their sponsors comes down directly to how many kids want to put their posters on their walls; how many shift workers want to wind down by switching on their TVs to watch them; how many wage earners want to spend part of their earnings on tickets to see them in action on the field, pitch or arena; how many fans will click an internet link to read about them or like an instagram post; how many consumers want to buy the same sports shoes, watches, fragrances etc that their idols use. In other words, WE ultimately pay their wages and determine their worth, and for every cent they make they’re also propping up industries employing millions of people whose livelihoods depend on people striving to be “the best” and by doing so engaging with the the great masses. The market decides their worth, and we - everyone from essential workers and struggling casual shift employees to investment traders and the comfortable middle classes - are the market. Finally, mental health is NOT contingent on material wealth or lack there of. And while elite athletes may well reap rewards out of most people’s imaginings, they also face unique pressures that WE place on them and which are beyond most people’s comprehension. Postscript - just as I posted this, myself and my partner - a frontline nurse working at the coalface of the pandemic - were up and cheering with joy to see an Australian just win a gold medal in the swimming pool. What’s the worth of raising the spirits and putting a smile on an essential workers face?
  7. Hmmm. The ceremonies fans here may not like it, but I think Paris’ street ceremony idea is intriguing. You can’t compare Olympic ceremonies to a World Cup - totally different scale and duration etc. WC ceremonies have always been underwhelming compared to their Olympic counterparts. Personally I think Oly OCs are getting stale and weighed down by the need to include so many obligatory set pieces. I think they need a bit of innovation and trimming down. The more i think about it, the more I hope Paris tries to break that mold.
  8. What Stefan said, and what I should have mentioned. Host proposed sports still must be approved by the IOC and meet universality criteria. Lacrosse I’d imagine would well meet that criteria if ever it came up.
  9. By the way, just checked and, yes, we ARE going to Tahiti in 2024. The IOC in March 2020 approved and confirmed the Teahupo'o break as the surfing venue for Paris - that’s just 15,700 km from the Champs D’Elysee!
  10. And you call Aussies wimps about cold ! i’d guess the reason you don’t see Canadian surfers in Tokyo is the same you won’t see many Aussie cross country skiers at a winter games - it’s just not part of our sporting psyche. Doesn’t mean there aren’t any Canuck surfers or Aussie cross country skiers. Anyway, it’s a moot point. I’m not totally up to speed on how the IOC’s new sporting program changes work exactly, but I do know there is now discretion by individual hosts in what optional sports they can drop and add to their games. Hence why baseball/softball and karate wont be in Paris while breakdancing will. Now, while I’d imagine LA and Brisbane would certainly retain surfing, if Toronto were to host after that, there’s nothing stopping Toronto with dropping it and breakdancing and replacing it with Lacrosse or log rolling or e-sports or whatever would more please a Canadian audience. Or keep it and hold in at Tofino or Nova Scotia or wherever and no-one would blink an eyelid. Anyway, let’s stop derailing this thread and get back to discussing to what people feel about the new sports, not 100 reasons why you would be personally offended by Toronto ever bidding for an Olympics.
  11. You’re right. Sydney will never host a cross country ski comp. but were not talking about that. Water temp today at Tofino is 14.8 c (58 f). That’s more than acceptable.and people already surf there in Canadian summer. Now, Toronto may or may not at some stage host a summer games. But they’d probably host it more easily than many other places, and the trivial detail of how or where they’d host surfing is not a deal breaker in their ability or chances. And whether or not you think a sport is silly has no bearing on how seriously other people in other nations regard it.
  12. Again, fishing for non-existent problems. We surf here year-round. Winter too. That’s what wetsuits are for. Cold water. No more silly than Beijing hosting equestrian in Hong Kong, Munich putting sailing in Kiel and Moscow’s sailing in Tallin. Or football, which traditionally gets farmed across a country. And that’s just off the top of my head. I’d actually think a hypothetical Chicago hosting would put surfing in California. Would make sense to me. Well, Brisbane’s recent win was based on a plan that was purposefully regional. It does seem the IOC recognises it needs to be open to such bids in the future. There’s few, if any, cities in the world that can do it all alone these days. To me it seems inevitable regionalism will be more common in games in the future.
  13. The surfing beach for these games is around 100 km from Tokyo. Paris is talking about holding its surfing events in Tahiti! Every landlocked host has to solve the issue of where to place sailing - it’s more often a way, way away from the host city than not. The IOC is showing itself to be more than flexible to countenance creative and distant venues for various events. So what’s the prob? There’s no beaches with breaks anywhere in BC or even the east coast? You’re just fishing for issues. and the point - surfing’s a pretty huge sport worldwide. btw - baseball/softball is back on the outer in Paris. I guess LA will probably bring it back, through.
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