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  1. I read this article earlier and the implication I came away with was that Reno-Tahoe couldn't see a way to make their financials work - there are infrastructure needs that exist for Reno-Tahoe which simply do not exist for SLC, regardless of which Games they wind up hosting. With most of the necessary infrastructure and major sites already in place, SLC is in a far better position to earn money if they do host in 2030, even if LA does have exclusivity over the marketing rights through 2028. Now, 2026 might be a different animal, but you can be assured that the IOC and USOC will bend over backwards to make SLC a reality if both Sweden and Italy bow out of that race, even if that means giving LA more money for lost marketing opportunities.
  2. That would be a small guarantee, and just for the first few days of the WOG, since the only qualified NK athletes are their pairs figure skating team and the pairs competition will be over by the middle of the first week. All Kim would need to do is bring them home as soon as their competition is over and then there would be nothing restraining him.
  3. Karenina

    los angeles 2024

    If the US bid city fares as poorly in the voting as NYC and Chicago did then, yes, that will alienate the USOC from the IOC again. But, I don't think that's going to happen with the 2024 voting. As long as LA finishes a respectable 2nd to Paris then the USOC nor LA are going to necessarily feel snubbed like they were, especially in 2016. There's no shame in losing to Paris in the final round of voting and that's what I fully expect will happen. Budapest will be out after the 1st round, then Roma will drop, and Paris will take it in the 3rd round of voting. It probably won't be as close as, say, London-Paris or Beijing-Almaty, because like many others here, I think this race is Paris' to lose. But, I do believe that LA has a very strong plan and there will be sufficient enough support for LA to get them to the final round of voting. I also suspect that there will be a fair bit of "please come back for the 2028 bidding" quiet remarks shared over drinks and behind closed doors to the USOC and the LA organizers, both before and after the vote. I also completely agree that as long as the US is selected to host a SOG before 2032 then NBC, and the USOC, will be perfectly happy. NBC probably won't want to wait another 15 years (from the time the vote is taken in 2017) and I'd bet they also encourage the USOC and LA to bid again for 2028 should they lose the 2024 vote.
  4. Have to agree with those who don't see the single-run downhill going anywhere. If your city isn't close enough to a mountain big enough for an Olympic/World Cup level downhill run then you have no business even considering a bid for the WOG. I also agree about the sliding center being the bigger issue. Nacre mentioned Portland and Seattle as being close to their mountains. I can't speak to the feasibility of Seattle hosting a WOG but there's no way it will happen in Portland. While Portland currently has two 10,000-seat arenas, there's been talk this fall about demolishing Memorial Coliseum - not to mention hosting the Olympics would displace both the Trail Blazers and the WinterHawks for 2+ weeks. And there aren't any 5,000-seat arenas in the area nor is there a need for any - Chiles Center at University of Portland seats just over 4,800 but I don't think it's convertible to ice and I can't imagine that UP would be willing to displace their athletics teams for 2 weeks. None of the other universities in the region have arenas that seat more than 2,500 unless you want to drive down to Corvallis or Eugene, and that's not something that would happen for an Olympics bid, plus you run into the same issue as you would at UP - those arenas are used for the universities athletics programs and wouldn't be available. And that doesn't even touch on how unnecessary a speed-skating oval is for the region. I suppose something that could be converted into a community recreation/activities center like the one in Richmond BC is a possibility with the various neighborhood re-development districts within the City of Portland. Even if the nordic events were farmed out to Mt Bachelor (which I would expect in any serious discussion about Portland hosting), I'm not sure where a sliding center would go. There's no way it would be built on Mt Hood. Maybe Mt Bachelor if the nordic events are also placed there. It would still be a monstrous albatross. And therein lies the rub... Even if Portland had the necessary arenas, or the necessity and will to build them, there's still no way that the State of Oregon would ever build an Olympic sliding center just for the Olympics. There would, guaranteed, be a referendum, possibly statewide if a sliding center was proposed for Mt Bachelor or state monies were involved, and it would fail. Sporty we might be but no way would the money be forthcoming unless Phil Knight and Paul Allen anted up privately, lol.
  5. Karenina

    Potential 2026 and 2028 bids

    Why are we rehashing the 2022 vote in the Potential 2026 & 2028 bids thread?
  6. Karenina

    USA 2024

    Agreed. In hindsight, any city the USOC would have put up for a 2022 bid would have come away the winner a day ago but, really, I can't fault them for focusing on a SOG. While SLC was 13.5 years ago, it is still more recent than Atlanta, which was 19 years ago. By the time 2024 rolls around, it will have been 28 years since the US last hosted a SOG, even longer if we have to wait until 2028 thanks to the Boston debacle. While I personally love the WOG more than the SOG, I can see why the USOC wants the SOG more and why we probably won't try for another WOG until after we've hosted a SOG. There's no way the US hosts another WOGs until the 2030s, I don't think, with 2030 only a possibility if the USOC gets very lucky and all the strong European 2024 contenders drop out of the race.
  7. Here's the key problem with Beijing's presentation today (at least for me, and probably for a lot of others around here)... Jawnbc called the Chinese Premier's message "passionless" and that is spot on, not just for the premier's message but for the entire presentation. Contrast that to fourteen years ago when Beijing was bidding for the 2008 SOG, where their drive and determination was palpable. This was uninspiring and lifeless in comparison. Maybe I'm just too caught up in hoping that Almaty wins. I like different. I like new. I think that Central Asia is a fascinating place and would love to visit there, even if it's just through my television set for two weeks in February 2022. China, especially Beijing, is really "been there, done that" proposition.
  8. Great presentation from Almaty. Let's see what Beijing brings before we handicap the final vote. But, having said that, I'm crossing my fingers for Almaty's success!
  9. I think he's trying to ask why Lausanne isn't bidding for the 2022 WOG, lol. Cinquanta is an obnoxious tool though, so it's just best to ignore him if possible.
  10. Karenina

    2022 the decision.

    Oh, one other, very positive reason, why I'd like Almaty to win is to see the NBC heads explode. Just imagine the poor schmucks who draw the short straw and have to spend a year or so in Kazakhstan of all places doing all the terrible fluff pieces and prepping for the Winter Olympics. It makes my little, black heart sing, lol.
  11. Karenina

    2022 the decision.

    I just can't get on board with Beijing being the first city to host both the Summer & Winter Olympics. Kazakhstan might be the most improbable country to ever host an Olympic Games if Almaty wins but I'd rather they get it than Beijing. It's a shame that Munich wasn't interested this go-round. They'd be a much more obvious and deserving choice for the honor of being the first city to host both the Summer & Winter versions of the Olympics and it would have been especially poignant coming 50 years apart.
  12. Karenina

    Four Cities Make USOC 2024 Bid Shortlist

    Honestly, I think that's part of what makes DC unique amongst American cities. It's probably my favorite city in the US after San Francisco. I love all of the museums along the Mall and I find the various monuments & memorials to be very moving. It's a beautiful city, any time of the year. I'm not even sure the humidity is as big of a deal as some have mentioned. If Atlanta can host the Summer Olympics during July/August then certainly DC wouldn't be any worse. Having said that, much as I love DC, I'd skip a Summer Olympics they hosted because I don't do humidity. Four years of college in Virginia was more than enough for this born and bred West Coaster.
  13. Karenina

    Los Angeles To Bid For 2024 Summer Olympics

    Exactly as you would any other structure. California's building code is a lot more stringent than any other state in the country when it comes to earthquake safety. I'm sure that any stadium to be built would be constructed to the highest possible standards of safety and with the best known engineering practices. I'm pretty sure that if the 49ers can build a new stadium in Santa Clara (a whole lot closer to the epicenter of the '89 Loma Prieta quake than Candlestick Point) and no one worries about the earthquake safety that a soccer stadium in LA can also be built with the same skill. Look, the bottom line, as anyone who has ever lived anywhere in California can tell you, is that both LA and the Bay Area are littered with faults, running through major population centers. Seismologists are constantly discovering that those faults don't operate the way they've been previously theorized. And, while the science is learning all sorts of new things about earthquakes and faults, no one has yet to figure out how to predict them. Yes, there are some amazing technologies that allow some small bit of advance warning (as we were able to witness in Japan three years ago) but the fact is, no one knows when another one, a big one, THE big one, will strike, and the best you can do is just live with it, prepare to the best of your ability and construct the strongest, most flexible buildings possible. Having lived in both California (I remember Loma Prieta quite vividly) and in Virginia (college for four years - lovely brick buildings, American gothic style and quite likely to sustain damage in an earthquake), I can assure you, I'd feel a lot safer attending an Olympics in California than I would almost anywhere else in the country if the biggest risk and concern anyone had was a potential earthquake, of any magnitude.
  14. Karenina

    USOC Not Decided On 2024 Olympic Games Bid

    Sure, in retrospect, it's easy to say that the USOC should have gone after a 20222 WOG, given the way the decent options for the IOC are dropping like flies. But, I'm not sure I think there was really enough time for the USOC to properly vet a 2022 candidate and come up with a winning, or even suitable, bid once they worked out the revenue-sharing agreement with the IOC. From that perspective, I can't say that declining to submit a 2022 WOG bid was the wrong decision. It's fair to say, based on what little we've seen of the USOC's hand here, that submitting a bid for 2024 is not a guarantee simply because the cities they would prefer to bid have said they aren't interested and the other internationally appealing US cities do not have the ability/venues to submit a workable bid. If NYC, Chicago or San Francisco were viable candidates we wouldn't be getting these "oh, it's no guarantee we're going to bid for 2024" comments out of the USOC. And, unlike the UK, I don't think the USOC is all that interested in LA hosting a 3rd SOG before some of these other cities are given a proper chance. I would like someone with more knowledge (and by this I mean factual information not subjective opinion) to explain to me why Boston, Philadelphia, Washington DC or Dallas are not considered to be first tier cities but yet Miami is considered on par with NYC, Chicago, SF and LA. I can understand why San Diego isn't considered in the same class as those other 9 cities and won't disagree with those who dismiss it as a viable candidate city.
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