Rafa Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 After many months of research and hardwork. I have managed to overlay the venue location concept for Istanbul, Tokyo and Madrid. The centre of course is the Olympic Village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Madrid has a very compact bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munichfan Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 ...while in Istanbul there's not even everything on the map. BTW, thanks for this, Rafa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikus_kecil Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Thanks Rafa for the good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 "Compact" bid plans might sound good, and make a nice marketing line for a campaign, but really, I doubt any host ever been chosen predominantly because of such a plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 "Compact" bid plans might sound good, and make a nice marketing line for a campaign, but really, I doubt any host ever been chosen predominantly because of such a plan? Yea never has you need to please the IOC members the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm not convinced a compact plan is best in practice anyway. Opening up a bit can ease congestion. It can enable visitors to stay in a wider range of locales and discover more of the host city, while also opening up transportation. It also builds spirit to have more parts of the city involved. Of course this can be taken too far. The athletes need comfortable travel times and it is nice for spectators having some venue clusters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm not convinced a compact plan is best in practice anyway. Opening up a bit can ease congestion. It can enable visitors to stay in a wider range of locales and discover more of the host city, while also opening up transportation. It also builds spirit to have more parts of the city involved. Of course this can be taken too far. The athletes need comfortable travel times and it is nice for spectators having some venue clusters. Exactly - there's gotta be a balance. Obviously, you can't get away with a too ridiculously spread out plan that dilutes the whole value of having it in one city (like, say, an San Francisco bid having the bulk of major events in San Jose or Oakland, or, dare I say, a Reno bid with major events in Sacramento), but on the other hand, I agree, I really think there's case that things can be too compact, cause congestion, and limit things to a single "Olympic Park" and not touch the wider city. I just think people take this "holy writ" that compact plans are the superior plans too far. And I also think they have far less bearing on the eventual decision than is often assumed. As I stated originally, it's a nice marketing tagline, but I can't think really of any city that has been awarded the games for the sole or predominant reason that they a "compact" bid plan. Once a city makes the short list, I strongly feel it's the "story" rather than the "plan" that wins the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think the best plan is to have clusters located in different parts of the city like Rio and London are doing for their games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think it's the story plus the confidence that win the race rather than the plan. As long as there are no giant holes in the bid, I think the IOC is looking for two things: 1.) What's the compelling narrative inducing us to go to this place at this time? 2.) Who are the individuals, organizations and governments we will be working with and are we confident in trusting they will be reliable partners who will deliver on their promises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangwon Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I still think there's value in the compactness in a winter games- it helps to create that sense of intimacy that gives winter games their charm. For summer games, the host city is already probably a big metropolis that it will be hard to remain intimate anyway. Not to mention the good weather, it just makes you want to move around rather than stay in a certain part of a city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I think Turkey saying they want the European Championships and the Olympics will work against them. The IOC is not going to want a big show in town in June and the Olympics in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissO Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I think Turkey saying they want the European Championships and the Olympics will work against them. The IOC is not going to want a big show in town in June and the Olympics in August. Yes, there is now only one favorite... TOKYO ! Easy journey for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Yes, there is now only one favorite... TOKYO ! Easy journey for them... It's starting to look increasingly that way. So far Istanbul isn't inspiring the rock solid confidence that would be needed to win and Madrid nasal uphill battle with regard to their economy. If anybody challenges Tokyo, I'm betting it will be Madrid, but as of now it feels like 2020 is Japan's to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 dont know why istanbul has decided to rock the boat by saying they want euro 2020, i was really confident in them securing it hope they dont go fully ahead with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 I'm thinkg Toyko is becoming stronger, all weaknesess from the rest of bidders are making Tokyo the most likelly choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Exactly - there's gotta be a balance. Obviously, you can't get away with a too ridiculously spread out plan that dilutes the whole value of having it in one city (like, say, an San Francisco bid having the bulk of major events in San Jose or Oakland, or, dare I say, a Reno bid with major events in Sacramento), but on the other hand, I agree, I really think there's case that things can be too compact, cause congestion, and limit things to a single "Olympic Park" and not touch the wider city. I just think people take this "holy writ" that compact plans are the superior plans too far. And I also think they have far less bearing on the eventual decision than is often assumed. As I stated originally, it's a nice marketing tagline, but I can't think really of any city that has been awarded the games for the sole or predominant reason that they a "compact" bid plan. Once a city makes the short list, I strongly feel it's the "story" rather than the "plan" that wins the race. Absolutely. The point was never to say the "best bid" is "compact". I was just interested in the overlay of the concepts. e.g. in Madrid, given the high quality of public transport, for which I can vouch for, a concept like that of Istanbul would not really be an issue, using existing infrastructure for Games Times services. So what you need to overlay is , the following, but not limited to; 1. The planned, existing, and additional transport infrastructure 2. The risk of each of these infrastructures 3. The development zones of the city 4. The capacity of venues and peak demand in relation to capacities, and distance from the OV In addition rather than the concept just looking pretty, does it actually fit together. No point saying it's a "zone" (well to make the shortlist this matters) but the scattered venue in the zone bear no relation, are not served by a "zonal" transport interchange, secruity and other resources...i.e. the whole point of clustering, being compact i.e. logistics, capacity, transport, vibe, atmosphere, costs... I would encourage a more hands on approach by the IOC. Requesting that all potential venues and sites be included, in particular existing venues. A large existing exhibition centre may be "recommended" by the IOC, rather than "later on" in the bid announcing that sports are moving "outside the Olympic Park" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galandar Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 I think the best plan is to have clusters located in different parts of the city like Rio and London are doing for their games. Baku does the same. I also think this is a wise desicion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Baku does the same. I also think this is a wise desicion That was a good decision by Baku. Off topic any fans of the Amazing Race tune in as they are visiting Baku so maybe we can get a feel for the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympiaki-agones Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 In 2005 I visited Baku and I was really surprised how vibrant the city is. No slums at all, but many of those awful ex-communist "Osiedles", but infrastructure is decent and can improve even more. But we all know that their Turkic rival is royal Constantinople. In my point of view, the IOC voters have paid attention to developing countries. Turkey in this case has many chances, their economy, their domestic market grow and it represents the muslim world (not only the arab world as it could be Doha) hosting such event. From Morocco to Indonesia, there will be a lot of consumers purchasing memorabilia and sport gadgets. And diplomatically it may help the situation in the eastern side of the Mediterranean and Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galandar Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 What about support in the social network? For instance, Baku 2020 Facebook profile has almost reached 37 000 fans. How is the situation with the other applicant cities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Perhaps Tokyo's the lowest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athan Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 What about support in the social network? For instance, Baku 2020 Facebook profile has almost reached 37 000 fans. How is the situation with the other applicant cities? As of March 29, 2012, 11 am (CET), according to the links on the official websites: Istanbul 2020 Facebook: 1030 (4th) Twitter: 176 (5th) Tokyo 2020 Facebook: 692 (5th) Twitter: 706 (3rd) Baku 2020 Facebook: 37005 (1st) Twitter: 453 (4th) Doha 2020 Facebook: 1130 (3rd) Twitter: 1108 (2nd) Madrid 2020 Facebook: 34710 (2nd) Twitter: 2901 (1st) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattygs Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Be interesting to get a wider comparison on general facebook usage in those countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympic Fan Darcy Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 As of March 29, 2012, 11 am (CET), according to the links on the official websites: Istanbul 2020 Facebook: 1030 (4th) Twitter: 176 (5th) Tokyo 2020 Facebook: 692 (5th) Twitter: 706 (3rd) Baku 2020 Facebook: 37005 (1st) Twitter: 453 (4th) Doha 2020 Facebook: 1130 (3rd) Twitter: 1108 (2nd) Madrid 2020 Facebook: 34710 (2nd) Twitter: 2901 (1st) thats surprising baku has 2nd lowest population of them all youd think tokyo would be higher WHAT THE HELL! theres a barcleona 2020 fbook group wait for it 336 000 likes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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