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  1. Olympic Fan Darcy

    Brisbane 2032

    Haven't been on here much but I have been following Brisbane's progress and I have to say i'm still a bit stunned. People keep me asking me what I think of Brisbane 2032 and the whole time i've said, it's not going to happen, it's good to put us on the map with a bid but we won't win. Now Palaszczuk is in Lausanne, apparently an announcement is expected to be made by the end of the year now the bid team said. I think I heard Bach say this is the most prepared they've seen any bid in history this far out. There's just no discussion of any potential opponent, nobody has really been given a chance cause clearly Queensland/Brisbane want to lock things up nice and early. I mean 13 years is a huge amount of time to plan a games, 85% of the venues are existing or already in motion. The big flaw is a lack of a big stadium but there's a few options on that one. A few different places where one could be built, I recall Victoria Park being floated as an idea, QEII could be knocked down and rebuilt, Coates said the Gabba isn't off the table (not sure about that one). As said, with 13 years to go, the options are there. I still feel like 2032 isn't going to be awarded to Brisbane but Brisbane will be the Australian bid. People here really need to stop mentioning Melbourne. That's just not happening.
  2. You REALLY think Coates is the one and only reason Melbourne isn't in the picture? Come on. And besides, why are you still arguing it then if you know that Melbourne isn't happening. Brisbane's on the cards and that's it. And yeah I did argue that Brisbane wasn't going to win, when I thought the IOC was still holding actual votes for it's Summer Olympic host cities. Then 2024 and 2028 were gifted without a voting process and given how much focus they've given to this South East Queensland bid and nothing for anyone else than perhaps not. If this goes to a bid and Berlin and Shanghai throw their hat into the rings then probably not but currently nothing is happening.
  3. You argued over and over that the IOC would bend the rules for the date change which is still yet to happen. You argued that Brisbane wouldn't happen and that Melbourne would which also, is still yet to happen. Where exactly is Melbourne in this bid race? Cause pretty much every second thread here has been about Brisbane updates. Melbourne's not in the picture. You need tor realize that.
  4. The NBC revenue is one of the most important incomes for the Olympics. The fact they haven't renewed for the games after 2032 is worrisome for any city that proposes hosting outside the proposed date window. If it looks like they'll be held outside their preferred window then that deteriorates the value for NBC and gives less income to the IOC. Why mess with that formula? Melbourne can go ahead with bidding outside the window but I doubt the IOC would be interested, especially when there's a city/region from the exact same country that is interested in bidding, within the right time frame and has the support of the head of the Australian Olympic Committee. Melbourne's out of the equation, not sure why people are still hung up on it. Just because FYI pathetically argues that Brisbane has the same international recognition as Leipzig (seriously?) or a population the same size at Kansas City doesn't matter. Seems this is the only serious bid on the table at the moment and the IOC are taking it seriously. Bach has invited the Premier of Queensland to come to the IOC headquarters at the end of the year.
  5. 2 years on and you're still out here whinging about Melbourne being discarded. You call me naive because years ago I told you the IOC wouldn't bend the rules on the date issue for Melbourne and that they set the benchmark for that with Doha even if it was a smokescreen. You said Brisbane was stupid and that Melbourne would be the bid and the IOC would change the rules for September/October. We argued it over and over and yet here we are, the IOC Vice President and actual President praising the Brisbane bid, Melbourne not even in the picture. The timing rules not being changed. It's been 2 years, you need to get over it. Seems you're the naive one after all.
  6. So do those people who were telling me that a Brisbane/South East Queensland would never happen and that it’d be Melbourne bidding for 2032 still want to stand by that? People kept going on and on about how the IOC would concede the weather time frame to allow Melbourne to bid and kept ignoring the Brisbane bid. Well it’s looking more and more real now. I still dont think Brisbane/SEQ will win but it’s looking like they are in the running. Apparently other names in the ring currently are Jakarta, Buenos Aires, India and Germany.
  7. Olympic Fan Darcy

    Bid books

    Has anyone added any new bid books to their collection in the last year or two? I got a fantastic London 2012 set a couple months back.
  8. Olympic Fan Darcy

    Bid books

    Not sure if anyone is still around on this forum but just saw this pop up on eBay, I already have a set but thought someone here might be of interest! It's the Toronto 2008 Bid Book Set. It looks like it's missing the top part of the steel briefcase but still looks decent.
  9. Stopped taking the post seriously when you said "idk if I would take him with any sort of credibility". Him of course being the Vice President of the actual International Olympic Committee. Clearly the Vice President of the IOC would have an inkling, just a little bit of knowledge about what his fellow members would prefer and he clearly doesn't think they are going to bend the rules again just to allow Melbourne to host. And I don't have to believe that Brisbane would win if they bid, I think it would be a good way to gain some exposure and can be used as a platform for further bids and to develop sporting facilities anyway like Madrid did with their bidding. Just because I (a random on the internet) don't think they'll win doesn't matter.
  10. Well it sure seems like the Australian Olympic Committee are far more interested in Brisbane than Melbourne for 2032. I mean, John Coates is the Vice President of the IOC and he's behind Brisbane and not Melbourne. Interesting that.. I think the man who's one of the most senior in the International Olympic Committee might know what the IOC would do in a bidding race. Clearly, he's not foreseeing the time window being changed for Melbourne, otherwise perhaps he would already be lobbying and talking down the importance of a July/August games in support of Melbourne. Instead, he knows how crucial and important the NBC's television revenue is for the IOC and knows the rules won't be bent. When did I say here that you or anyone insulted Brisbane by suggesting they're a bad candidate? I don't even believe I said that Brisbane would be a good candidate. Of course Melbourne is better and far more prepared. I just don't believe the IOC will bend the rules for them and I think people here are being incredibly naive. AOC and John Coates have thrown their full support behind Brisbane who have already/completely finished the feasability study. How are the IOC even going to bend the rules when Melbourne isn't even being put forward as the Australian bid? I'm not saying Brisbane will win. I'm not saying they will even be shortlisted if the bidding race is as competitive as some posters here say it will be. What i'm saying is that it looks like Brisbane will be the Australian candidate, should they proceed.
  11. Really confused. The IOC has got an abundance of bids for 2032 but then they need to go and change a rule just for Melbourne? Which one is it?
  12. Well your post literally discussed direct quotes from my previous post so it was clearly directed, at least somewhat at me. And it's not just NBC's preferred timeslot... remember, the IOC used it as a reason to throw away Doha's 2016 bid? It's part of the criteria, stop pretending like the IOC will simply overlook this for Melbourne, it's incredibly naive. And please, Boston and Budapest are pretty known around the world. Of course they're nowhere near in the same regard as London, Rome, Tokyo or NYC but neither is Melbourne. Was Boston the original choice by the USOC before they dropped out? Yes? Thought so. The other cities may have been for the Winter Olympics but they feed into the narrative that almost nobody wants the games. Oh and, I never said Brisbane is winning, or coming runner up but it's in a far better position than Melbourne. John Coates knows it, the AOC know it, the IOC won't bend the rules for Melbourne no matter how hard you try. As for the Brisbane bid, I already outlined what needs to be done, it's quite a bit but a lot of the venues are existing. The way you're posting is as if they're building everything from scratch. A lot of the GC2018 venues are already there. The main build is the main stadium which judging by the plan is set to be a temporary one. Brisbane already has Suncorp Stadium, the Chandler venues which includes a new velodrome, QSAC which can be renovated and all the GC 2018 venues including Carrara stadium. Also, I did some looking and I can't find anything recent on Madrid looking into a 2032 bid which is strange considering cities like Shanghai and Brisbane are already developing feasibility studies. India? Are you serious? Nobody wants to touch that with a 10 foot pole after the disaster of the 2010 Commonwealth Games. Oh and you mentioned Seoul? Are you referring to the planned joint bid with North Korea? Come on. So we're looking at: Shanghai Moscow/St Petersburg Dusseldorf Brisbane Somewhere in India Possibly London? Seoul co-hosting with a nation that is run by a dictator Again, never said Brisbane was winning or even getting a swag of votes but you're acting like it'll be flat out rejected or that the IOC will somehow bend the rules for Melbourne? You're painting a sweet picture of how there's so many cities interested in 2032 so why would the IOC bother to change the rules and heavily impact the NBC and American viewership just for Melbourne to bid? Silly.
  13. This post is clearly directed at me so i'll go right ahead and reply. When did I say "screw NBC"? I don't recall saying it and I haven't really posted here much for quite some time so if I did say it, it must have been before cities were dropping like flies from being interested in hosting. It's pretty rich that you're ignoring the main point of the argument. Cities around the world that are world-renowned like Rome, Budapest, Boston, Oslo, Krakow and Stockholm all bid for recent games and then just withdrew because barely anyone wants to host anymore. Beggars can't be choosers at this point. Brisbane might not be world renowned but look how the 2022 bidding race turned out. They had to settle for a city that hosted the Summer edition less than 10 years prior to the decision because the only other option was a country many people wouldn't consider travelling too. Wasn't that what you said to me when I tried to justify Almaty a few years ago as not so awful potential host city given the circumstances?And then look what they did for 2028, they were so desperate that they gave almost $2 billion in additional funding for L.A to host the games and broke with a long tradition of actually having a ballot 7 years prior to the games because there were barely any other cities interested in hosting an expensive 2 week event. Brisbane matches one of the most important guidelines and that's the timing window. You mention places like Shanghai, Moscow, Madrid or a German bid and then in the same sentence you say IF. If is the key word there. Look how nobody wants to host the games anymore. You're wanting to throw away a decent bid (that nobody is saying has to win by the way) because SOME cities MIGHT bid? You mention Germany. How did Hamburg go again? You mention Madrid but they certainly weren't interested in 2024 after being denied three consecutive times. Oh and Moscow/St Petersburg? Because the lead up to the 2014 Olympics in Sochi went oh so smoothly. Gone are the 2012 bidding days of Paris v London v Madrid v NYC and having the luxury of discarding bids from cities like Rio and Istanbul. It's almost like you're stuck in a 2005 timeline.
  14. But what Melbourne doesn't have is weather that suits the Summer Olympics time slot and the IOC can't change it as it would jeopardize one of the largest incomes they have, the USA broadcasting rights with NBC. They bent the rules with Sydney but they're not going to do it again, especially when Los Angeles is likely going to save their ass for a second time in 2028. The IOC can't afford to annoy the Americans so if Melbourne can't host in July/August (which it can't considering it's pretty damn cold then), then it's Brisbane/South East Queensland for the Australian bid.
  15. As a Brisbane local i'm biased but I can see this bid happening (not saying it'll win against larger global cities). The main issue I find is that they'd need to work on a fast rail between Brisbane and the Gold Coast. I volunteered for the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games while living in Brisbane and it took me almost 2 hours to get from where I live to the main stadium in GC. And i'm located near the Brisbane airport which would be a good location for the Olympic Village and was in fact the plan for the Olympic Village for the 1992 Brisbane Olympic bid. Other venues: The aquatic centre in GC was pretty good for swimming/diving/synchronized swimming, they might need to add another pool but otherwise it's in good shape. The Brisbane tennis centre can handle the tennis event. Suncorp Stadium, Carrara Stadium & other stadiums can handle football and rugby sevens. The new velodrome at Chandler works perfectly for the cycling. Belmont is still good for the shooting. Brisbane Convention Centre, Gold Coast Convention Centre & Carrara Sports & Leisure Centre work for weightlifting, squash, wrestling, basketball and badminton. The main addition is an Olympic stadium with a capacity for over 90,000 people which South East Queensland doesn't have. That would need to host the ceremonies and the athletics. And the other is the Olympic village. I still think near the Brisbane airport where all the apartments are going up at Portside would be a perfect idea but faster transportation to the Gold Coast venues would be needed. There's obviously some other sports left out but the biggest issues from my perspective are the transport concept, hotel capacity, Olympic stadium and the Olympic village.
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