Nice-Alpes Françaises 2030

[AustralianFan]

French ski resort closes permanently because there’s not enough snow

CNN — Winter is coming. And for yet another ski resort in France, that means facing up to the reality that there isn’t enough snow to carry on.

La Sambuy, a town which runs a family skiing destination near Mont Blanc in the French Alps, has decided to dismantle its ski lifts because global warming has shrunk its ski season to just a few weeks, meaning it’s no longer profitable to keep them open.

[iceman530]

Frightening and disheartening to think this could be France's last chance dance hosting a winter olympics because of climate change........and theyre not the only ones.

[FYI]

The planet looks to be on the verge of a very big & rude awakening (it already seems pretty scary). As there are plenty of people that like/want to deny it, but climate change looks to be here to stay. And unfortunately, it's not going to be "50 years" from now where it'll start to be a very dire issue, but more than likely much sooner than that. And especially if the problem persistently keeps getting swept under the rug & the global community fails to act. 

A report just came out last month that the ocean currents could cease anywhere between as soon as 2025 to 2100. And if that were to happen, the world will be in for a lot of unpleasantries, that would make pre-winter wonderlands not being able to host a Winter Olympics anymore, be the least of our problems.

[StefanMUC]

In that context…

https://www.cnn.com/travel/france-ski-resort-closes-la-sambuy-climate-scn/index.html

[AustralianFan]

32 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

In that context…

https://www.cnn.com/travel/france-ski-resort-closes-la-sambuy-climate-scn/index.html

already posted above yesterday

[FYI]

He's got you blocked, so he didn't know that.

[AustralianFan]

On 9/17/2023 at 9:08 AM, iceman530 said:

Frightening and disheartening to think this could be France's last chance dance hosting a winter olympics because of climate change........and theyre not the only ones.

Yes it’s a worry.  The French have plans to include the Auvergne Rhône-Alpes (in which La Sambuy is located.  Bur perhaps this resort is not as high in altitude as the snow fields the bid team are planning to use for the Games?

[Australian Kiwi]

On 9/17/2023 at 4:51 PM, FYI said:

The planet looks to be on the verge of a very big & rude awakening (it already seems pretty scary). As there are plenty of people that like/want to deny it, but climate change looks to be here to stay. And unfortunately, it's not going to be "50 years" from now where it'll start to be a very dire issue, but more than likely much sooner than that. And especially if the problem persistently keeps getting swept under the rug & the global community fails to act. 

A report just came out last month that the ocean currents could cease anywhere between as soon as 2025 to 2100. And if that were to happen, the world will be in for a lot of unpleasantries, that would make pre-winter wonderlands not being able to host a Winter Olympics anymore, be the least of our problems.

This month in Melbourne nearly every day has been in the mid to high 20s and bright and sunny. Beautiful weather. But far, FAR too early for balmy summer heat (only weeks out of winter). 

At this rate Melbourne could have comfortably staged a mid July Olympics after all.  

[BigVic]

Mt Buller 2030. Opening Ceremony at the MCG! 

[Australian Kiwi]

10 hours ago, BigVic said:

Mt Buller 2030. Opening Ceremony at the MCG! 

TBH - if the IOC relaxed its fixation on February and allowed an August WOG we could co host with Queenstown. Melbourne could easily stage all the indoor events across its various arenas, and some of the cross country events would be at places like Mount Buller. We'd really only rely on NZ for that more serious slopes for the alpine skiing. 

Like all WOG prospective hosts its the track infrastructure thats the challenge. 

[AustralianFan]

“More than 100 elected officials have backed the French bid for the 2030 Winter Olympics and Paralympics centred on Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes' and Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur.”

“Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur Regional Council President Renaud Muselier is among the 124 officials from the region to have signed the declaration of support for co-hosting the Games, published by Le Dauphiné Libéré and BFM Dici.”

Credit: More than 100 officials back Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur inclusion in 2030 Winter Olympics bid

[Sir Rols]

Plain sailing?

Ecologists from Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes have opposed the potential hosting of the Games but have made demands in case the proposal is successful.

They are insistent on "zero net artificialisation" in terms of construction work and avoiding the use of fake snow which was prevalent at the most recent edition of the Games in Beijing last year.

They are also asking for a referendum to gauge support from the local population.

From: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes President committed to hosting sustainable Winter Olympics

[FYI]

So, looks like France 2030 is far from a done deal, like some others here seem to suggest.

[iceman530]

Very easy to tell those ecologists to kick rocks.  Literally all of these resorts have snow generating machines and have for the past ten years.  That's reaching at nothing and they dont have a leg to stand on.  

[Sigh]

18 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Plain sailing?

Ecologists from Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes have opposed the potential hosting of the Games but have made demands in case the proposal is successful.

They are insistent on "zero net artificialisation" in terms of construction work and avoiding the use of fake snow which was prevalent at the most recent edition of the Games in Beijing last year.

They are also asking for a referendum to gauge support from the local population.

From: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes President committed to hosting sustainable Winter Olympics

I always considered local (environmental) opposition the main hurdle for a French WOG. However, while vocal it seems rather weak.

Reading French media there is some ecologist opposition, especially in a few municipalities. In mid-September opponents organised a well-advertised week-end gathering opposing the bid. Tens of people attended. No, I did not forget to add "thousands". Admittedly the weather was bad.

The cost aspect has been mentioned once or twice as as an afterthought secondary argument by ecologist but I have seen no signs of that gaining traction.

[yoshi]

The question isn't really the snow venues, the French Alps are full of them. They even still have a sliding track - they literally wouldn't have to do anything they don't do every winter anyway. The interesting question is what the ice city will be. Lyon is obvious - but why involve PACA for that? Their presence suggests Marseille or Nice, do they have enough already built? There's not much time to build anything they haven't. I still wouldn't be amazed if they try to get Paris on board for the indoor stuff - Paris-Albertville probably isn't any less practical than Milan-Cortina...

[Sigh]

On 10/23/2023 at 12:44 AM, yoshi said:

but why involve PACA for that

Politics. The purpose of the joint bid is to stop the regions fighting each other (in public).

Sports and all other tag words like sustainability etc is secondary.

[cfm Jeremie]

PACA could also bring useful infrastructure (for figure skating for example) should Lyon and Grenoble not be involved in the bid (both mayors being quite opposed to hosting major events as a principle).

[AustralianFan]

Survey revealing French 2030 Winter Olympics bid support dismissed as “bogus” - ITG

“A total of 806 people were questioned in the poll conducted by the French Institute of Public Opinion between October 18 and 26.”

“Much of the support came from the Côte d'Azur, with 75 per cent backing the bid while 62 per cent of the supporters were the Hautes-Alpes.”

“The results of the survey have been celebrated by the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, which claimed that it had proven critics wrong.”

[FYI]

"However, campaign group 'No JO' have dismissed the results of the survey due to the wording of the question in the poll. People were asked whether they were 'in favor or not of organizing the 2030 Olympic and Paralympic winter Games in an environmentally friendly and climate-friendly way'.

It's like asking if we want gifts for Christmas, Stephane Passeron, a member of the anti-Olympics group told BFMTV. The wording of the question is 'bogus'. We continue to call for a referendum with public debates and clear questions. And then I'm sure we'll win. If the region is so sure of the support of the population, why not organize this referendum?"

[Sir Rols]

Playing Devil’s Advocate here.

In the age of the “New Norm”, bids are supposed to be by definition “environmentally friendly and climate-friendly” (not to mention financially responsible), so in one respect it’s quite clever to tackle head-on what would always be likely to be the main slogan points in a No Olympics campaign. I’s a fair enough pro-active tactic, especially in a divisive social media climate.

On the other hand, whatever happened to the IOC’s decree a few years back that prospective bids should be tested by referendums? That seems to have been ditched. And I’ve said before, and still stand by, bidders who aren’t confident about winning referendums have no business bidding.

That said, and considering the time constraints the IOC is facing to get someone over the line for 2030, organising referendums probably isn’t feasible at this stage.

[FYI]

55 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

That said, and considering the time constraints the IOC is facing to get someone over the line for 2030, organising referendums probably isn’t feasible at this stage.

That's the IOC's problem, though. For the citizens of any particular area who's officials are wanting to bid, their proper concerns shouldn't be brushed aside because time is of the essence in this particular case. On the contrary, it should be cause for more concern, since very limited time in a lot of cases lead to rash decision making, & that's when bigger problems (overspending, bad decisions, etc.) can come into play.

[Sir Rols]

5 minutes ago, FYI said:

That's the IOC's problem, though. For the citizens of any particular area who's officials are wanting to bid, their proper concerns shouldn't be brushed aside because time is of the essence in this particular case. On the contrary, it should be cause for more concern, since very limited time in a lot of cases lead to rash decision making, & that's when bigger problems (overspending, bad decisions, etc.) can come into play.

That’s on themselves when they decided 2032 was a far more pressing issue to settle than 2030.

[FYI]

5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

That’s on themselves when they decided 2032 was a far more pressing issue to settle than 2030.

Precisely. So if the citizens in the South of France want to do their due diligence, they should have every right to do so, regardless of the IOC's 2030 time crunch, since that isn't their concern.

Besides, there is already a candidate out there that has already done all of their homework & is ready to go for 2030. But of course the only sticking point is the revenue sharing issue with L.A. '28, which apparently the IOC isn't prepared to compensate for in order to save even their own a$ses. 

[Sigh]

3 hours ago, FYI said:

"However, campaign group 'No JO' have dismissed the results of the survey due to the wording of the question in the poll. People were asked whether they were 'in favor or not of organizing the 2030 Olympic and Paralympic winter Games in an environmentally friendly and climate-friendly way'.

It's like asking if we want gifts for Christmas, Stephane Passeron, a member of the anti-Olympics group told BFMTV. The wording of the question is 'bogus'. We continue to call for a referendum with public debates and clear questions. And then I'm sure we'll win. If the region is so sure of the support of the population, why not organize this referendum?"

A few other points:

* Only about half of the respondents had been aware of the WOG bid before being polled.

* 30% of respondents are personally interested in winter sports.

* The poll question was slightly less slanted than SOK's. This time only environment was supposed be perfect. Perfect economy and ethics weren't included in the question.