2036 Olympics: Crowded Field of Interested Parties

[AustralianFan]

Last Games of summer? IOC boss says heat may force date change

Below is Bach speaking at the end of Paris 2024.  

Coventry as new IOC President I think will not stop considerations of a change to the July/August hosting window for thr Olympic Games:

“The sun could be setting on the summer Games after International Olympic Committee president Thomas Bach said climate change may force future Olympics staged in the northern hemisphere to be held later in the year. In his final press conference in Paris, Bach noted that hotter summers had already forced changes to Olympic scheduling, with the Tokyo marathon shifted to the cooler climate city of Sapporo and the Paris marathons given an early morning start time. “We will have to speak about the dates because of climate change,” Bach said. “If climate change is continuing in the way the experts are forecasting then it will be very difficult to organise the Olympic Games in summer, in August. We have seen this already. “This is not only true for us. This is true for the entire calendar of the international federations. We have to sit together and, regardless of where the Games are taking place, see whether the calendar has to be adapted, adjusted to climate change and global warming.” Further studies were required to determine whether future summer Games in the northern hemisphere needed to be pushed into autumn. The result of that research is unlikely to impact the timing of the Games in Brisbane in 2032, which will be held in the Australian winter or early spring. When Sydney hosted the Games in 2000, the opening ceremony was held on September 15. In Rio 2016, the most recent Olympics staged in the southern hemisphere, the Games began on August 5. The Tokyo Games, staged in 2021, are officially the hottest since the modern Olympics began in 1896, with temperatures spiking above a humid 34 degrees. Last year was the hottest on record, with average global temperatures 1.45 degrees above pre-industrial averages, and this year is on track to be even hotter. Bach said warmer average temperatures would also likely force a change to the Winter Olympics, which have traditionally been staged in February.”

Credit: smh.com.au - 10 August 2024

 

[Sigh]

21 hours ago, Sigh said:

Guess what.

"Tusind tak for din interesse i Københavns mulige bud på OS eller Ungdoms-OS.

Studiet er blevet aflyst, da der ikke indenfor den angivne tidsfrist er indgået det nødvendige partnerskab mellem Københavns Kommune, den danske stat og Danmarks Idrætsforbund/Olympisk Komité."

 

Of course this is not a "public withdrawal of  interest" which I assume means that Copenhagen is still to be considered an "interested öarty"

I just noticed that I missed providing the translation of the email Thomas Bach sent me.

Thomas Bach?

No I'm not joking or trying to fool you. Nor am I the victim of a practical joke.

The Thomas Bach in question is not the German former fencer we all know and love but his namesake head of sports in the Copenhagen municipality.

Well, here is the translateion:

Thank you very much for your interest in Copenhagen's possible bid for the Olympics or Youth Olympics.

The study has been cancelled, as the necessary partnership between Copenhagen Municipality, the Danish state and Denmark's Idrætsforbund/Olympic Committee has not been concluded within the specified deadline.

[iceman530]

Change of hosting months is coming............I think practically everybody wants this.  it's not the obstacle it's made to be.  Any sport or game that wants to be in the Olympics is going to have to display some elasticity to their events calendar if they want to keep playing the game.  Again, I don't think they'll have any issues with that and perfectly understand given climate change issues.  Therefore, Qatar and Saudi are comfortably in play.

[StefanMUC]

4 hours ago, iceman530 said:

Change of hosting months is coming............I think practically everybody wants this.  it's not the obstacle it's made to be.  Any sport or game that wants to be in the Olympics is going to have to display some elasticity to their events calendar if they want to keep playing the game.  Again, I don't think they'll have any issues with that and perfectly understand given climate change issues.  Therefore, Qatar and Saudi are comfortably in play.

Funny that you think making the calendar flexible to avoid ever hotter climate gives a better chance for countries that are way hotter already now even outside the normal calendar.

 

[AustralianFan]

7 hours ago, iceman530 said:

Change of hosting months is coming............I think practically everybody wants this.  it's not the obstacle it's made to be.  Any sport or game that wants to be in the Olympics is going to have to display some elasticity to their events calendar if they want to keep playing the game.  Again, I don't think they'll have any issues with that and perfectly understand given climate change issues.  Therefore, Qatar and Saudi are comfortably in play.

“Comfortably in play”?   Until the hosting dates are actually changed, and there’s no sign of that happenng anytime soon, Qatar and Saudi Arabia remain at the bottom of the list for 2036.

There’s nothing comfortable about  July daytime temperatures of 41 C / 106 F to 50/ C / 122 F.

 

[sebastien1214]

The Olympic Games (and, indeed, the global sports calendar) will one day abandon the months of July and August, when during these two months the majority of the planet (well, developed countries, i.e., those where these major events are held) will regularly experience days of 40°C (and where in Europe, days of 45°C, not 40°C, will be called "heatwaves"). The question is actually not if this will happen one day, but when it will happen (2040? 2050?).

But don't think this will put the Gulf countries (Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc.) on an equal footing with the other countries. They too will see their temperatures continue to rise. It won't change anything for them, and even if we held the Summer Games in January, it would still be far too hot.

[AustralianFan]

31 minutes ago, sebastien1214 said:

The Olympic Games (and, indeed, the global sports calendar) will one day abandon the months of July and August, when during these two months the majority of the planet (well, developed countries, i.e., those where these major events are held) will regularly experience days of 40°C (and where in Europe, days of 45°C, not 40°C, will be called "heatwaves"). The question is actually not if this will happen one day, but when it will happen (2040? 2050?).

But don't think this will put the Gulf countries (Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc.) on an equal footing with the other countries. They too will see their temperatures continue to rise. It won't change anything for them, and even if we held the Summer Games in January, it would still be far too hot.

Agree.  

[yoshi]

I definitely think the 2030 World Cup will be held in (northern) autumn rather than summer, with the heat in Spain especially - & for obvious reasons FIFA will make sure 34 is in full winter. Tbh if it wasn't only a year away I think they'd be trying to move 26 after this year's farce. That would probably be a tipping point & we'll see sports in general altering calendars to make September/October the new July/August. I do think September is usually the best balance of weather to be out in Europe at least, & with it being an equinox month it should be similar in most of the southern hemisphere too. 

[AustralianFan]

19 minutes ago, yoshi said:

I definitely think the 2030 World Cup will be held in (northern) autumn rather than summer, with the heat in Spain especially - & for obvious reasons FIFA will make sure 34 is in full winter. Tbh if it wasn't only a year away I think they'd be trying to move 26 after this year's farce. That would probably be a tipping point & we'll see sports in general altering calendars to make September/October the new July/August. I do think September is usually the best balance of weather to be out in Europe at least, & with it being an equinox month it should be similar in most of the southern hemisphere too. 

Yes. Even extending the Olympic hosting dates to November/December could be on the cards such as occurred for the Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup held across November/December.

The dates of the Saudi Arabia 2034 FIFA World Cup are not set yet as far as I’m aware but it’s likely to be around that cooler November, December, January period as well.

 

[brasilolimpico]

We have high-level sporting events taking place in Brazil in the middle of the Brazilian summer, not just in the South, but also in the North and Northeast, in the tropical zone with high humidity.

Climate change is a real problem, but it's clear that the main objective of these discussions today is to serve the candidacy interests of "certain countries."

[cfm Jeremie]

Absolutely not.

Given the increase of heatwaves in frequency, length and intensity, it is very clear that for many European capitals (starting with Paris and Rome), it would be a gamble trying to host the Games in the middle of summer.

We were lucky in Paris to have a relatively cool summer last year.

It would be irresponsible not to explore alternative dates just because it could be perceived as serving interests of "certain countries".

[Quaker2001]

16 hours ago, yoshi said:

I definitely think the 2030 World Cup will be held in (northern) autumn rather than summer, with the heat in Spain especially - & for obvious reasons FIFA will make sure 34 is in full winter. Tbh if it wasn't only a year away I think they'd be trying to move 26 after this year's farce. That would probably be a tipping point & we'll see sports in general altering calendars to make September/October the new July/August. I do think September is usually the best balance of weather to be out in Europe at least, & with it being an equinox month it should be similar in most of the southern hemisphere too. 

The 2030 World Cup is slated for June 8th through July 21st.  Are you suggesting they're going to move it a full 3 months later?  2034 is a different story because of the host.  I have doubts that FIFA will make a move for 2030.  Money will dictate that they don't do that and I don't see this big tipping point coming.  The goal of these organizations and these events is to make the most money.  Until that can be done with a new calendar, I'm skeptical there's going to be that much of a push for a change.  Same goes with the Olympics.

[AustralianFan]

3 hours ago, brasilolimpico said:

We have high-level sporting events taking place in Brazil in the middle of the Brazilian summer, not just in the South, but also in the North and Northeast, in the tropical zone with high humidity.

Climate change is a real problem, but it's clear that the main objective of these discussions today is to serve the candidacy interests of "certain countries."

Is Brazil bidding for 2036 Olympics and/or a FIFA World Cup which will be or was held in the cooler months ?

 

[brasilolimpico]

On 7/13/2025 at 2:36 PM, AustralianFan said:

Is Brazil bidding for 2036 Olympics and/or a FIFA World Cup which will be or was held in the cooler months ?

 

We hosted the 2014 FIFA World Cup during the Brazilian winter, even in cold cities like Curitiba and Porto Alegre, where temperatures can easily drop below zero Celsius.

But we could easily host it during the Brazilian summer.

It's not impossible to practice sports in the European or Asian summer sun, regions that aren't in the tropics.

We have national championship games in December in Brazil, and the regional leagues start again in January, mostly at 4:00 PM, in cities like Belém, Recife, Cuiabá and Manaus, which are scorching.

We need to be honest about climate change. It exists, but it's far from requiring flexibility for the summer games.

If they want to move the Olympics to November or October, fine, but let's be honest, it's purely to satisfy the lobby of some countries that want to clean up their image through sporting events.

[SportLightning]

Doha (Qatar) has confirmed they are in the dialogue selection against Ahmedabd (India), Nusantara (Indonesia), Santiago (Chile) and Istanbul (Turkey).

https://www.iloveqatar.net/news/sports/qatar-ongoing-discussions-host-2036-olympics-paralympic-games

[AustralianFan]

 

6 hours ago, baron-pierreIV said:

I think the 2036 host will be picked in either 2027 (9 years before) or 2028 (8 years lead-time).  LA28's 11-year lead was an anomaly due to the double-awarding and the IOC was able to pay off LA anyway.  Of course, Brisbane was also named in 2021.  But with the number of candidates now for 2036 and some more advanced than others--and the success of future Games dependent on shifting internal and external factors, I'd venture to guess that the IOC will name their 2036 host in 2027 (with a 9-year lead time)-- and not wait for 2028 when it will distract from LA's hosting.  (Or it could be conditionally picked in 2027, and then after a year's probation on the progress or lack of it in building their COJO; then ratified in 2028.)  

Possibly, although the IOC elected Brisbane in 2021 at the start of the delayed Tokyo 2020 Games.   

I would actually think they would be more inclined toward a later host election to give them more time to:

1. do Coventry’s review/consult re how host cities are elected,
2. review/consult widely on the if/what/when/how of the proposed relaxation of the July/August hosting window to later cooler months

Both are big undertakings.

 

[cfm Jeremie]

Well the IOC was rather quick to react.

Indonesia out of the dialogue for 2036 for now : IOC EB takes measures

[stryker]

8 minutes ago, cfm Jeremie said:

Well the IOC was rather quick to react.

Indonesia out of the dialogue for 2036 for now : IOC EB takes measures

Not surprised. This is also a likely nod towards any Saudi or Doha bid though I wouldn't put it past either of them to promise the Israelis visas, win the bid, then turn around a month or so before the Olympics and suddenly refuse to allow the Israelis compete. We've already seen the Qataris go back on their word last minute (alcohol at the WC stadiums)

[cfm Jeremie]

Well in theory, interested parties for the organisation of the Games are requested to provide a guarantee that all accredited person with a valid passport should be granted access to the host country.

But then I am sure Indonesia made some similar commitment when awarded the 2025 Gym World Champs...

[stryker]

1 hour ago, cfm Jeremie said:

Well in theory, interested parties for the organisation of the Games are requested to provide a guarantee that all accredited person with a valid passport should be granted access to the host country.

But then I am sure Indonesia made some similar commitment when awarded the 2025 Gym World Champs...

Indonesia did actually. Hosts can always promise to provide a guarantee that all competitors with valid passports would be allowed to compete, but there's little the sports federations or the IOC can do when an event like the Olympics is right around the corner. Now the IOC was able to take say ok Indonesia is out of the running for 2036. But again, a couple months out and if the Saudis or Qataris were to say no to Israel, it's not like the IOC would be able to pull the Olympics and relocate them. 

[sebastien1214]

Geopolitical developments in the Middle East since Trump's first term, and particularly since the Abraham Accords and MBS's rise to power in Saudi Arabia, lead me to believe there is no doubt that these two countries will welcome Israeli athletes without any problems.

Also, don't forget the precedent of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, where, although Israel did not qualify, Israeli fans had no problems obtaining visas to attend the tournament. On the other hand, Indonesia had already distinguished itself in the past when it lost the U20 World Cup in 2023 (a few months before the start of the tournament!) because it refused to host Israel, which had already qualified.

Generally speaking, the Muslim countries of Southeast Asia are much more hardline towards Israel than the Gulf states.

[stryker]

1 minute ago, sebastien1214 said:

Geopolitical developments in the Middle East since Trump's first term, and particularly since the Abraham Accords and MBS's rise to power in Saudi Arabia, lead me to believe there is no doubt that these two countries will welcome Israeli athletes without any problems.

Also, don't forget the precedent of the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, where, although Israel did not qualify, Israeli fans had no problems obtaining visas to attend the tournament. On the other hand, Indonesia had already distinguished itself in the past when it lost the U20 World Cup in 2023 (a few months before the start of the tournament!) because it refused to host Israel, which had already qualified.

Generally speaking, the Muslim countries of Southeast Asia are much more hardline towards Israel than the Gulf states.

Only the UAE and Bahrain have diplomatic relations with Israel. You mention the 2022 World Cup, but this was before the Hamas terror attack and Israeli war in Gaza. Also don't forget Israel actually bombed Qatar. That was an act of war that likely single handedly ends any chance of Doha winning 2036. I don't see them allowing in Israelis given the current state of the Middle East. I would expect the same from the Saudis who have ruled out any relations with Israel. As an expat who has lived in both Southeast Asia and the Gulf, I can tell you the likes of Qatar and Saudi Arabia are far more hostile now with the Israelis.

[StefanMUC]

3 hours ago, stryker said:

Indonesia did actually. Hosts can always promise to provide a guarantee that all competitors with valid passports would be allowed to compete, but there's little the sports federations or the IOC can do when an event like the Olympics is right around the corner. Now the IOC was able to take say ok Indonesia is out of the running for 2036. But again, a couple months out and if the Saudis or Qataris were to say no to Israel, it's not like the IOC would be able to pull the Olympics and relocate them. 

I’m not excluding that we will see that scenario already in 2028 when a certain wrecking ball(room) felon suddenly decides to refuse entry by athletes from whatever country his petty mind is just upset about at that time.

[stryker]

4 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

I’m not excluding that we will see that scenario already in 2028 when a certain wrecking ball(room) felon suddenly decides to refuse entry by athletes from whatever country his petty mind is just upset about at that time.

Yes. I mentioned this in one of the L.A. threads. Most likely candidates for refusal would be Iran (Trump would claim U.S. intelligence has found ties to terrorism) and Palestine (he'd claim the athletes are working for Hamas)

[Sir Rols]

Israeli athletes competed at Doha’s IAAF World Championships and FINA World Aquatics Championships (the latter after the October 7 attacks). The Qataris aren’t novices or zealots when it comes to sports politics.