2036 Olympics: Crowded Field of Interested Parties

[AustralianFan]

@FYI so yes, you are just Trolling:   Trolls on Gamesbids.com

[FYI]

You would know all too well about the T-word, so.

[AustralianFan]

Taking it further ….

Who is “Viable” as a potential 2036 Host ?  

Who do you think the IOC Future Host Commission might be in the running for elevation to Targeted Dialogue as preferred host in 2036?
 

Interested Parties in 2036 Games

*Without knowing what financial guarantees each of these national governments would give a 2036 Games, amd continental rotation aside for now, these are just my guesses as to who might be on a shortlist to be elevated to Targeted Dialogue as preferred bidder/s:

1. China 2036:   *viable 

2. Egypt 2036:   borderline viable

3. Germany 2036:  *viable

4. Hungary 2036:  *viable 

5. India 2036: not viable,  july/aug hosting window weather far too wet

6. Indonesia 2036:  not viable,  not enough infrastructure

7. Qatar 2036:  not viable,  july/aug hosting window weather far too hot

8. South Korea 2036:  *viable

9. Turkey 2036:  borderline viable

10. UK 2036:  *viable

 

[SportLightning]

With Mexico out, That means Istanbul may have an opportunity.

[AustralianFan]

1 minute ago, SportLightning said:

With Mexico out, That means Istanbul may have an opportunity.

They might but I think that one of Germany, Hungary, South Korea, China and UK might have the edge over a bid from Turkey ... ?

 but we’ll soon find out, maybe in the next couple of years once the new IOC President is elected.

[Australian Kiwi]

I've actually felt sorry for you over the last little while ... but damn your attitude and manner over the last day or so in this thread alone is enough evidence that you should be banned from these Forums. 

Rude, narcissistic, condescending, overbearing, and disruptive . Its really unpleasant. 

[AustralianFan]

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Who do you think is viable, not viable or border line viable from the list below of 10 interested parties in continuous dialogue with the IOC?

With Poland and Mexico withdrawing their interest, we’re at about 10 interested parties for the 2036 Olympic Games.

Estimating these to be (from their own announcements) in alphabetical order:  China, Egypt, Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia,  Qatar,  South Korea,  Turkey,  United Kingdom.

Leaving financial guarantees and continental rotation aside for now, who do you think the IOC Future Host Commission might consider be a viable option or not from the list of 10 below ?

These are just my guesses:

1. China 2036:   *viable 

2. Egypt 2036:   borderline viable

3. Germany 2036:  *viable

4. Hungary 2036:  *viable 

5. India 2036: not viable,  july/aug hosting window weather far too wet

6. Indonesia 2036:  not viable,  not enough infrastructure

7. Qatar 2036:  not viable,  july/aug hosting window weather far too hot

8. South Korea 2036:  *viable

9. Turkey 2036:  borderline viable

10. UK 2036:  *viable

[FYI]

11 minutes ago, Australian Kiwi said:

I've actually felt sorry for you over the last little while ... but damn your attitude and manner over the last day or so in this thread alone is enough evidence that you should be banned from these Forums. 

Rude, narcissistic, condescending, overbearing, and disruptive. Its really unpleasant. 

Been that way since day one. Don't feel sorry for them whatsoever, cause they'll never change. They may appear somewhat normal for a brief moment (like right above), but it's merely just gaslighting, & then they're just back to their usual obnoxious ways. Cause once a douche, always a douche. Certainly agree with you that that they should be dealt with once-&-for-all.

[Australian Kiwi]

Can we not just get the GB Moderator to nip this in the bud once and for all ban them? What is the barrier to this happening?

[FYI]

I've touched upon this a bit with Rol's before, but apparently it's easier said than done. I've mentioned before (including tonight) that there was another very abusive user on these boards in the past & it took literally years before something was ultimately done about it. Plus, in this case, let's not forget the multiple handles that they have on here, so unfortunately they'd probably be right back with one of those.

[AustralianFan]

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Who do you think is viable, not viable or border line viable from the list below of 10 interested parties in continuous dialogue with the IOC?

With Poland and Mexico withdrawing their interest, we’re at about 10 interested parties for the 2036 Olympic Games.

Estimating these to be (from their own announcements) in alphabetical order:  China, Egypt, Germany, Hungary, India, Indonesia,  Qatar,  South Korea,  Turkey,  United Kingdom.

Leaving financial guarantees and continental rotation aside for now, who do you think the IOC Future Host Commission might consider be a viable option or not from the list of 10 below ?

These are just my guesses:

1. China 2036:   *viable 

2. Egypt 2036:   borderline viable

3. Germany 2036:  *viable

4. Hungary 2036:  *viable 

5. India 2036: not viable,  july/aug hosting window weather far too wet

6. Indonesia 2036:  not viable,  not enough infrastructure

7. Qatar 2036:  not viable,  july/aug hosting window weather far too hot

8. South Korea 2036:  *viable

9. Turkey 2036:  borderline viable

10. UK 2036:  *viable

@FYI @Australian Kiwi

Of the 10 interested parties, who do you think is viable /  not viable for 2036? 

[AustralianFan]

@Bear just added you, sorry about that.

[Guilga]

Firstly, your question.

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

 

 

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PS:  There’s no right or wrong answers, just interested in what others who have contributed to this thread  as to what you’re thinking regarding ‘a viable shortlist’ if you like, for the 2036 Games 

I would suggest hiring a psychic to read Bach's mind, as it is currently the only real indicator of anyone having a chance of hosting under the New Norm, as shown by the last 2030/34 race events, at least until they get two or more to a vote.

 

Now, I have a question for you. What's your age, I'm guessing young for being as vocal as you are with such, let's say, passion by the IOC new rulings, in a way that sounds a bit too optimistic at best. That's when you aren't trying to make yourself an internet forum main protagonist. Honestly, I hope you grow as a person and see that times trying to be the forum owner as an silly time with some moments that you regret in cringe by trying too hard to get attention. An forum, and any public space, is made of people: you can build a park or an luxurious stadium, but if only one person uses it, is it worth it?

An forum is made of what the community wants, not by aggressively pushing the conversation into what you want. And for better or for worse, this includes listening to things that you don't like or are plain out stupid. But the real magic, though? The community should decide whether to engage with it or not.

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, Guilga said:

I would suggest hiring a psychic to read Bach's mind, as it is currently the only real indicator of anyone having a chance of hosting under the New Norm, as shown by the last 2030/34 race events, at least until they get two or more to a vote.

Fair enough.  Last year in Seoul, Bach said that the number of parties interested in hosting in 2036 was in double digits, including South Korea.

[Bear]

hmm i think:

1. China 2036: -> definitely viable

2. Egypt 2036: -> not viable at all, especially when you take security into consideration

3. Germany 2036: -> definitely viable, but it also depends on the format / specific location they go for

4. Hungary 2036: -> if the IOC is actually okay with smaller spectator capacities (as we saw with their recommendation of having Carrara over the Gabba for athletics), then viable

5. India 2036: -> due to climate (and potential organizational risks similar to what happened with Delhi 2010), not viable

6. Indonesia 2036: -> i really think they have the potential following the Asian Games, but at this moment in time, probably not viable

7. Qatar 2036: -> absolutely not. the world cup showed the many issues that would arise with another major international sporting event in this country. not to mention the climate. not viable

8. South Korea 2036: -> definitely viable

9. Turkey 2036: -> i think they have the capability to pull this off, and like I would really like to see an Olympics happen here one day. im going with viable

10. UK 2036: -> depending on the city, but probably one of the most viable locations on this list.

Edited January 18 by Sir Rols

[AustralianFan]

• I have the same views to you about Turkey too, even if I don’t personally like the current President and Government there re civil rights and their ruthless cracking down on demonstrations/gay rights, etc.  But an Olympic Games based in Istanbul would be awesome if it got past the IOC’s new Human Rights Framework.
• Amongst the others, there are also some real blue ribbon ones in there too in terms of being former successful hosts (China, Germany, South Korea, United Kingdom) and Hungary who has not hosted but looks to be very capable, such as Brisbane 2032 was.
• I agree to with Egypt who will get a Games one day but gosh, and even security concerns aside, too much stronger competition with all those other blue robbon rivals.

 

Edited January 18 by Sir Rols

[corn_zxl]

yeahh im not a fan of the current confirmed bids line up..

a work in progress bound to collapse, and two corruption scandals waiting to happen are definitely not giving the Olympic spirit

[corn_zxl]

My viable options are basicallly:

Germany - They just seem fit for hosting an Olympics after so long

Budapest, Hungary - judging from their successful hosting of the 2022 world aquatic games, they also seem fit to host a major international competition

South Korea - A very futuristic view so far judging from Gangwon 24, maybe Incheon or Busan can finally showcase themselves in the limelight

there's also a few cities that have been on my wish they could host list (some are unhinged):

New Zealand - Judging from the previous FIFAWC, they're a pretty chill and viable host country, with or without Australia. Sure there are a few shortcomings but im sure they have the budget for it right?..

Malmo-Copenhagen - Same reasons above tbh

Havana-Florida or Gulf of Mexico sitch ??

Romania

[Sigh]

You all are barking up the wrong trees.

You seem to think that sports and existing facilities have something to do with attribution.

For me it's quite obvious that IOC will go for India in 2036 (Possibly Ahmedadabad + another city with better climate for events that can't possibly be crammed into air conditioned facilities). Followed by a double attribution on January 2 2028 for China 2038 and 2040 (2040 as a bribe for the only possible interested and viable candidate for 2038).

Budapest and Istanbul are one man shows where the bids will collapse as soon as Orban and Erdogan respectively is not in power any longer (cf Poland).

NZ and the Scandinavian countries, like almost all small or midsized countries don't have the capacity to host SOGs (or even an interest in doing so). Security forces alone needed will soon top 100 000 (if non-military/police guards are included). Paris is almost there.

That applies to Qatar as well and besides it is too politically sensitive and in a decade hydrocarbons may be more or less worthless. The weather is a good excuse.

Egypt? You've gotta be kidding!

Indonesia will be eclipsed by India and China and the site is a good excuse.

The eclipsing thing probably applies to South Korea as well.

The only thing that could complicate things for 2040 is IF the UK decides to go ahead with a serious bid but politcs in that country is in such a mess that they problably will keep away from yet another divisive issue for a long time. Just imagine thousands and thousands of questionable  foreigners arriving in the UK! How can they be sure to get rid of them all afterwards?

 

Enough provocation?

 

 

[Sigh]

I just noted that I had forgoten Germany.

One word:

Referendum.

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, Sigh said:

You all are barking up the wrong trees.

You seem to think that sports and existing facilities have something to do with attribution.

For me it's quite obvious that IOC will go for India in 2036 (Possibly Ahmedadabad + another city with better climate for events that can't possibly be crammed into air conditioned facilities). Followed by a double attribution on January 2 2028 for China 2038 and 2040 (2040 as a bribe for the only possible interested and viable candidate for 2038).

Budapest and Istanbul are one man shows where the bids will collapse as soon as Orban and Erdogan respectively is not in power any longer (cf Poland).

NZ and the Scandinavian countries, like almost all small or midsized countries don't have the capacity to host SOGs (or even an interest in doing so). Security forces alone needed will soon top 100 000 (if non-military/police guards are included). Paris is almost there.

That applies to Qatar as well and besides it is too politically sensitive and in a decade hydrocarbons may be more or less worthless. The weather is a good excuse.

Egypt? You've gotta be kidding!

Indonesia will be eclipsed by India and China and the site is a good excuse.

The eclipsing thing probably applies to South Korea as well.

The only thing that could complicate things for 2040 is IF the UK decides to go ahead with a serious bid but politcs in that country is in such a mess that they problably will keep away from yet another divisive issue for a long time. Just imagine thousands and thousands of questionable  foreigners arriving in the UK! How can they be sure to get rid of them all afterwards?

 

Enough provocation?

 

 

Thanks @Sigh.   Actually i was just going off the list of 10 the IOC said last year in South Korea they were in continuous dialogue about for hosting in 2036. IOC said the number is in “double digits” so the identities of interested parties  list of 10 further sbove has been deduced and adjusted from public announcements from each interested party themselves since the IOC haven’t reveal their identities.

It was a list of 12 until Poland and Mexico recently pulled out, so down to 10 it seems.

Yes Amedabhad, India, figures prominently in recent engaagements by IOC President Bach’s visit there with a bid including  athletics and ceremonies at Narendra Modi Stadium, the biggest in the world.   But the monsoon rainfall there in the july/aug hosting window is heavy so to me that’s rules out Amedabhad.

Also on the list are China and South Korea (currently hosting Gangwon Winter Youth Olympic Games folloeing on from PyeongChang 2018 and Seoul 1988) Olympic hosting powerhouses, as are UK and Germany.

Agree with your assessments re Qatar, Hungary and Istanbul, although Hungary has recently successfully hosted both the World Athletics Championships and World Aquatics Chamionships and currently has momentum, but politcally fragile as you said.

NZ and Scandinavian countries are out of the equation for 2036 since none have expressed interest in hosting.

[Sigh]

2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes Amedabhad, India, figures prominently in recent engaagements by IOC President Bach’s visit there with a bid including  athletics and ceremonies at Narendra Modi Stadium, the biggest in the world.   But the monsoon rainfall there in the july/aug hosting window is heavy so to me that’s rules out Amedabhad.

 

4 hours ago, Sigh said:

For me it's quite obvious that IOC will go for India in 2036 (Possibly Ahmedadabad + another city with better climate for events that can't possibly be crammed into air conditioned facilities).

 

[AustralianFan]

@Sigh yes I was assuming that the monsoon affect all of India abour the same, but you’re right, there could be another city/pair of cities,  where there is less rainfall and a good size stadium for ceremonies/athletics and which would more suitable, with a bunch of indoor venues for indoor competitions.

India has quite a few suitable stadiums in several cities which host the Indian Premier League cricket.

The other climate effect issue the IOC would consider,  is the comfort of spectators and the Olympic family as they try to travel to venues in a moonsoonal downpour.

I think the focus has been on Amedabhad because of Prime Minister Modi’s links with Gurajat, hence the stadium named after him.   But if I was the Indian Olympic Committee, I would avoid Amedabhad if the average july/august rainfall data ive googled is accurate. Maybe what ive looked up re rainfall data is over-stating it?

[Sigh]

What does weather matter if you build huge indoor venues?

Have you looked at Bangalore for the remaining outdoor activities? No suitable venues? Build.

Yes, build. build! You can always claim that you need those things anyway.

Just land the d****d games and then you apparently can do what you want (as long as you don't wander out into extreme Lala land as Italy is about to do). Just look around and you'll find abundant examples.

Distance?

EB is very flexible for the right host. Ten sites in Switzerland is unacceptable. 16 in France is just fine.

 

 

[corn_zxl]

The only two things that can ruin the Ahmedadabad bid is if a cruel dictatorship or controversial **** gets stirred up, or a 2001 Gujarat repeat is bound to happen again. Though both are not that probable over the next coming years