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I don't think this is a major concern and it's tough to tell if this isn't politically charged or not, but sharing here because why else would we be doing this
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Well, tell us.. what do you think won't go smoothly for the World Cup and LA 2028 that won't go according to plan? I can't speak to the rest of the world's perception of the United States right now other than what's being expressed here which is obviously pretty negative. But last I checked, we recently had an Olympics in China (during a worldwide pandemic, no longer) and a World Cup in Qatar. I completely understand the perception that people may not want to visit the United States with Trump in charge, but that figurative end for a lot of people doesn't mean that mega events like the World Cup or the Olympics won't go ahead. We all agree that the fallout from Trump's 4 years in office (and yes, I'd be concerned about future elections, although that's a problem for 2028, not 2025) will have far reaching effects, but you're still not really making a case for how the Olympics would be adversely affected. As if every Olympics we can remember didn't have its fair share of fearmongering and negative press in the lead up
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I don't know what "collapse" would look like. I'm concerned about the United States continuing to be a functioning democracy, but it's not like life as we know it is going to come to an end in the next 4 years. Yes, I believe LA28 will simply go ahead as planned. What exactly do you think that wouldn't happen? Keep in mind we have the World Cup next year and that one will require coordination between 2 other countries that may not think so highly of us. As much as Trump and his cronies seem to have a complete disdain for the rest of the world right now, he knows what that kind of world stage will mean. He'll want it to go well. Whether or not Trump allows that to happen is a different story. I'm guessing at some point he won't be able to resist saying something unflattering about a country he doesn't like and that will spark some international furor. As if that's not happening already and holy f**k there's still another 3 years and 11.5 months of this.
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My fear is that this is going to amp up the level of anti-semitism in the world and those who are angry at Israel now will get even more angry now that they're teaming up with the US against Gaza. I don't think the IOC would actually consider sanctions against them, but it's just more fuel to the fire that foreigners will have a less than favorable view of this country thanks to its leader. And as much as you or other sensible people know that this is what many many Americans wanted to vote against, there's no ignoring this terrible reality that we're dealing with here.
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I think @Sir Rols had a good point. I don't expect Trump or MAGA influence to be seen in the opening ceremony, but I don't think his presence may lead the organizers to avoid anything that might be considered controversial. Of course, the flip side of that is maybe they absolutely don't care what Trump or any of his base thinks and they'll just parrot whatever Trump's opinions are on the Olympics, positive or negative
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There are a lot of institutions in the United States that are for for profit that shouldn't be. Medicine, education, prisons among others. So much for the great American experiment. And yes, the idea of socialized medicine here gets a bad reputation, heaven forbid we take care of the sick rather than exploit them.
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In the lead up to 2022, I saw dozens of people on social media calling for a boycott of the Olympics. Some saying they personally wouldn't watch. Others urging the athletes not to attend. The latter was never going happen. Much of the former often led to posters directly accusing me of being responsible for China's transgressions as if watching a ski race on Chinese slopes makes me culpable for genocide (yes, there are people who actually believe that). I reminded them that I was watching coverage on American TV with American advertisers who I can chose to support or not. The Chinese government doesn't have a direct pathway to me. As opposed to if I had TikTok on my phone, but that's a separate discussion. The point of all that being that it's a different story if someone is planning on visiting the host country for the Olympics. I have a friend who went to the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar. He had a lot of positive things to say about the experience. Congrats to Qatar for successful sportswashing. So I completely get the sentiment from someone who says they might not feel comfortable travelling to the United States with Trump as President and giving his country that support, even though as noted California is largely anti-Trump. I might consider attending 2032 in Brisbane. I know I don't have to tell you my affinity for Australia after my last trip there. If something happened with the government where I was going to question spending money there, as has likely happened with the perception to many of the United States, that would be a different story. I'll always support the Olympics from home because I'm in it for the athletes and especially in a country where our NOC relies largely on private funding.
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I've seen plenty of it in recent years and it's only going to get ramped up in the lead up to 2028. Which now a lot of people will double down on with Trump in office. And I would love to see how Trump will address the situation in Russia in the event the war is still raging (hopefully it's not) and Russia is still persona non grata with the IOC. Of course the flip side is that if Russia is back and full participants in LA, we know Trump will singularly take credit for it.
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I can't blame anyone who has those feelings come 2028 that they'll see the American flag and our leadership and have a very negative opinion of everything that stands for. So that may be a very real thing that the organizers have to deal with because they'll be in a very precarious situation either way. Support Trump and make nice with him. Or try to express that he doesn't represent them and deal with those consequences. It goes without saying there are much larger concerns that go well beyond the Olympics. And like @Bear said.. don't feel sorry for us. Feel sorry for the next generation of not just Americans but the entire planet that may suffer because of what happened back in November. I'm 46 and a white male, so I'm not overly concerned about myself. For better or worse, I don't have kids (sorry JD, but my vote still counts), which means I might view the future a little differently. I just hope and pray there isn't generational damage being done to both my country and my planet that we can't hope to recover from in my lifetime.
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A lot of what I've seen on social media is "what can we do now?" where we all feel so powerless. And as much as I know people around the world feel bad for the Americans who oppose Trump and everything he stands for but we're simply outnumbered by everyone else who is buying into his BS, like you said I feel bad for the planet. Because it's one thing for the generational effect it might have on the United States. It's another to think about the consequences it might have for the rest of the planet and I really hope we don't look back 30 or 40 years from now and realized we cause irreparable harm because it sounded cool to elect a celebrity whose main selling point was that he hates the American political system and thinks he can rule by proclamation, laws and the constitution be damned. So then the Olympics seems really small potatoes by comparison. I doubt it will turn into a MAGA celebration considering how many of them flat out rejected anything and everything connected to Paris 2024 when their echo chamber told them about the opening ceremony. Would be fun to see the organizers lean into "woke" just to piss them off, but who knows what the story will be by then. There's also the matter of the fires, so we'll see what the long term fallout is from all that. Hopefully it won't make too deep of a dent into the funding that we know the private sector needs to provide them in order to be successful.
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Didn't realize this topic existed and on behalf of the half of Americans who aren't f**king insane, we apologize to the rest of the world. I don't want to go down the rabbit hole on Trump, but I will say this. As much as Trump has expressed his contempt for the entire state of California, at least we know come 2028 that he'll want the Games of Los Angeles (or is he'll call them, "the greatest Olympics ever because of Trump) to be a smashing success so he can invite all his buddies to sit beside him. So at least he'll advocate for the city and the state then. And probably 5 minutes afterwards tell us what a hell hole LA was and how he'll never get over having to spend 2 weeks there
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There continues to be a massive vibe here of "do you guys realize you have an Olympics pretty soon?" Especially where 13 months from now, they'll officially be the next Winter Olympics up. So perhaps they'll want to have their act together by then
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There's obviously a lot of raw emotion as this all is very much still playing out. If it was 3 months out from the Olympics rather than 3+ years, it might be a different story because then it might call into question where resources (not just money, but personnel) would best be utilized. And I'm sure over time once we're a little further removed from it, they can turn this into a narrative about how LA has bounced back from a terrible disaster.
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This is one of those posts where I can't tell if you're being serious or just being you. It's horribly tragic what's going on in LA right now, but I doubt the notion of a flame will be some sort of trigger 3 1/2 years from now that the LA folks have to tone things down. If this happened in January 2028 rather than January 2025, maybe you'd have a point. But even then, it's going to be LA's moment in the sun for a lot of people not old enough to remember 1984. Plus, you can be darn sure that the timing of everything will be at the behest of NBC to maximize their viewership. Sunset on the night of the opening ceremony is 8:05pm local, 11:05pm on the East coast. So it's a given that NBC will want to push things until Midnight so they can get that last half hour under dark skies
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We're arguing semantics here because it can work either way. Some definitions of "cycling" include all the disciplines under 1 banner. Others split them all off individually. Neither is technically wrong. Although with your original list, I've never seen the marathons and race walks split off from athletics. Those have never been separate entities
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That's a good point about Dedeaux, since it's not the swimming venue anymore. Remember also that they're planning on having track and field in the first week of the games so that swimming can move to the second week. So that could change some plans around. I would think BMO might make some sense for some of the field events since it's right next door. Not sure what else nearby would work
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I don't think LA will make any claims of "we're the first to do this". That's fodder for folks like us here. It's been discussed here before, but Los Angeles isn't really know as a city with a lot of famous buildings or landmarks. Especially in comparison to Paris which had the Eiffel Tower and the Grand Palais to serve as backdrops. The images of Paris' beach volleyball venue will be memorable for decades to come. LA can't match that. What can they do that many Olympic hosts can't? Host beach volleyball on an actual beach! I welcome some outside the box thinking from the LA organizers and see what they can come up with. But Paris shouldn't be their template to try and match or replicate any of that. I will say.. I was at SoFi Stadium for the first time a couple of weeks ago. That place is spectacular. I definitely need to be there for some of the swimming competition in 2028
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No they can't...
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We had a World Cup in Qatar where 1 of the major sponsors in Budweiser was given a giant slap in the face just as the event was starting. Somehow I doubt many if any of the sponsors will balk at this even though they probably want to
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We're a little over 5 years out from the 2030 Olympics. Looking for another host isn't really an option at this point unless they want to roll back PyeongChang. The IOC kicked the can down the road an extra year to re-open the process for 2030 when it was apparent no one was coming forward other than Salt Lake which we all know they wanted to save for 2034. The IOC made their bed and now they have to lay in it. I don't know if France 2030 is in serious danger here, but it's not like there are any better alternatives here now that Salt Lake is locked in for 2034
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Good call about Kennedy Center. Typical Trump that he wouldn't want to be at an event like that. But this is the Olympics. The entire world will be paying attention. World leaders will be in Los Angeles. He won't miss that opportunity to preen for the cameras and potentially pick and choose who is sitting next to him in front of the world. I don't imagine he'll stick around for much else other than the opening ceremony, but he'll stomach being in LA long enough to be a part of that one. The World Cup he'll probably skip since that's not as centralized and it is not only the United States hosting. That's less of a photo op unless he wants to show up at the final, but since that's in NY/NJ, will he be that interested in showing up here?
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Alright, let's take some emotion out of this and try to look at it a little more objectively. Yes, Trump won a fair election and will rightfully take his place in the White House come January. And assuming he is still president come July of 2028 (he'll be 82 years old by then, so it's far from implausible the GOP would try to push him out), then yes, he'll presumably open the games and I'm sure he'll want that attention from the world. It is worth remembering that California overwhelmingly voted for Harris, currently more than 7 million votes to 4.7 million for Trump. And Los Angeles country went for Harris by a nearly 2 to 1 margin. Who knows what his popularity level is by then, in contrast to Clinton in 1996 or Reagan in 1984. Bush in 2002 is a different story given the state of the country at the time post-9/11. I heard plenty of people on social media express concerns about the United States over our gun laws. Some are afraid to travel here because they might get shot. I don't think Trump is going to help that perception. We know how friendly he is with Putin, who of course is persona non grata with the Olympics these days. How will Ukrainian athletes feel about seeing Trump welcoming them to the Olympics? How about Haiti, after Trump demonized them with lies about what is going on in Springfield. We know his feelings about immigrants (no, not "illegal immigrants".. he says that to keep it clean, but his feelings on foreigners are well known), so what happens if he enacts policy making it different for people from certain nations to have a harder path to getting to the United States? You can say this is all hyperbole and maybe some of it is, but it does bring into question how welcome the rest of the world will be in a country led by Donald Trump. You can't compare this to China 2008 (although maybe we should compare it to China 2022). There could potentially be a pretty stark contrast in how the rest of the world perceives the United States with Trump as POTUS versus if Harris had won. Because we've seen countries and their leadership use major sporting events as political platforms. I could absolutely see Trump going down that route in a way that doesn't go over so well with the rest of the world.
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That's my thought as well. To push Trump out of office might not be as easy as they want to think it is. And my point earlier with Vance is less that I think he would open the games. But at this point, that might be a better option to show off to the world than an even more aged and mentally declined Donald Trump
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