Russia 2036

[stryker]

2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Are you expecting the 2036 to be voted in on in 2029 ?     That’s the old way and the 7-year timeline is gone.

As we’ve all seen, a Host can be elevated to a vote up to 11 years ahead of the Games.  

For 2036, that’s only 4 years away.

Then we look at Arrogant Russia who is way way out in the cold having been banned from the last 3 Olympic Games since 2016.

Three Olympic Games Russia has been banned from and now heading into a 4th consecutive banishment from the Games in Beijing next year.

There’s no sign yet that Russia is going to be re-admitted for Beijing 2022, Paris 2024 or Milano-Cortina 2026.

Arrogant Russia have been dead in the water as far as any chance of hosting again for the last 5 consecutive years and will remain so for the next decade or so.

pAs we say in Australia, they’re 

Russia's ban ends on December 16th, 2022 so unless my math is wrong, Russia will be back for Paris and Milan. Yes I am well aware of the so-called new norm but Brisbane's 11 year lead up is not going to be the norm nor is the traditional 7 year, but you seem to be forgetting the fact the WOGs are on life support and the IOC would be stupid (again Bach and Coates are in charge so they already are) to pursue a 2036 host before they solve the 2030 mess.

Russia is well positioned to host in 2036 if they want it. Their suspension will be long over by then. 

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, stryker said:

Russia's ban ends on December 16th, 2022 so unless my math is wrong, Russia will be back for Paris and Milan. Yes I am well aware of the so-called new norm but Brisbane's 11 year lead up is not going to be the norm nor is the traditional 7 year, but you seem to be forgetting the fact the WOGs are on life support and the IOC would be stupid (again Bach and Coates are in charge so they already are) to pursue a 2036 host before they solve the 2030 mess.

Russia is well positioned to host in 2036 if they want it. Their suspension will be long over by then. 

You’re making one mighty assumption that Russia has reformed enough to not warrant a continuation of their suspension. 

It remains to be seen, but don’t assume for one minute that Russia have reformed enough to warrant no more suspension.

We’ll soon know in the next 12-15 months.

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

The 2028 thing, was a formality towards L.A. because I.O.C. didn't want to lose the "perfect hosts (U.S.A.)" for future bids, 2032 was selected 11 years in advance, because it was a John Coates (Vice president, I.O.C.) handcraft. 2036 has no reason YET to be selected 11 years in advance, just as the 2030 W.O.G. which are set to be elected in 2023. So as long as there is no reason for an anticipated "selection", we can expect 2036 summer games to be awarded in 2029

Incorrect.

The 7 year timeline has gone, gone, gone.  You need to get used to that. It’s gone, It’s all changed.

As soon as a suitable candidature is assessed as suitable and then elevated and then recommended to the IOC Executive Board,  it can be voted on by the full IOC Session if the EB recommends it for a full vote.

This can happen at a particular point in time of the IOC’s choosing.

In this era of shortages of willing Olympic candidatures, this trend of pouncing on suitable candidates up to 11 years before a Games is highly likely to contunue.

It provides more certainty and more preoaration for both the IOC and the elected Hosts.

[AustralianFan]

3 hours ago, FYI said:

Are you looking at the same Russia that just laughed at the world & won 71 medals at Tokyo 2020ne? Yeah, some so-called "banishment". It's naive to even think that the IOC will even continue this charade up until Milan 2026, let alone when there's suppose to decide on the 2036 Games.

Russia as a country, it’s flag and anthem is banned from the Olympic Games.

Athletes assessed as clean are permitted to compete under the ROC flag.

In the end Russia’s 6 year ban from the Olympic Games at the end of 2022 will be subject to a rigorous assessment prior to any move to re-admit them to the Olympic Games.

Russia will be required to demonstrate the processes and reforms they have put in place to get out of the norty corner for which their state-sponsored doping led them to be there in the first place 5 years ago.

If they do satisfy the powers that be, then they will be re-admitted to the Olympics.  

If not, Russia can expect to  be slapped with another lengthy suspension from the Olympic Games.

Either way, Russia’s chances of hosting an Olympic Games for a decade or so have been seriously damaged -  and it’s all their own doing.

 

[stryker]

52 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

You’re making one mighty assumption that Russia has reformed enough to not warrant a continuation of their suspension. 

It remains to be seen, but don’t assume for one minute that Russia have reformed enough to warrant no more suspension.

We’ll soon know in the next 12-15 months.

CAS already cut the suspension in half. It won't be extended again that is unless someone wants a lengthy court battle with Russia which the IOC does not want. Come December 2022, Russia will be back.

[AustralianFan]

33 minutes ago, stryker said:

CAS already cut the suspension in half. It won't be extended again that is unless someone wants a lengthy court battle with Russia which the IOC does not want. Come December 2022, Russia will be back.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

[Rob2012]

It's one thing to think Russia is too damaged to host again soon (a pov I agree with you on as long as there are alternative bids that solidify for the coming cycles). It's quite another to think the ban on their athletes will be ongoing. I just don't see it. The IOC has been weak on this anyway, I can't see any appetite for anything more than the watered down punishment Russia has already received.

Edited August 29, 2021 by Rob.

[iceman530]

rhetorical question:  in a bubble of tier two cities, who would be the pick between St Petersburg and Istanbul?

[StefanMUC]

15 hours ago, iceman530 said:

rhetorical question:  in a bubble of tier two cities, who would be the pick between St Petersburg and Istanbul?

SP of course. In a battle of two dictators, the IOC will choose the smart one.

 

[yoshi]

With the possible, but still pretty unlikely, exception of Madrid (& assuming that Germany stay not wanting it), St Petersburg would win against any of the plausible 2036 contenders. Istanbul would just be too risky for the IOC, somewhere they've never been before and didn't want to go to in much more stable times than now. Heck, UEFA literally broke the entire format of the Euros just to avoid going to Turkey. Even if Madrid comes through, I still can't see the IOC turning down the chance to be with Vlad again anyway - so unless some real miracle happens, St Petersburg 2036 is every bit as much an open and shut case as Brisbane 2032 was. 

[FYI]

"so unless some miracle happens", St Petersburg 2036 is every bit as much an open and shut case as Brisbane 2032 was."

That's bound to make a certain someone's head in this thread just explode in confusion. lol

[AustralianFan]

7 hours ago, yoshi said:

With the possible, but still pretty unlikely, exception of Madrid (& assuming that Germany stay not wanting it), St Petersburg would win against any of the plausible 2036 contenders. Istanbul would just be too risky for the IOC, somewhere they've never been before and didn't want to go to in much more stable times than now. Heck, UEFA literally broke the entire format of the Euros just to avoid going to Turkey. Even if Madrid comes through, I still can't see the IOC turning down the chance to be with Vlad again anyway - so unless some real miracle happens, St Petersburg 2036 is every bit as much an open and shut case as Brisbane 2032 was. 

You‘re assuming that all the interested cities/regions for 2036 have revealed themselves.

There is still 4 years to go to the same 11 year mark that the 2032 host was elected.  The timeline in the end to elevate a 2036 host to Targeted Dialogue may change as it is up to the Future Host Commission at which point in time that it recommends a preferred bidder.  It  may again be around 11 years ahead or less, who knows.

[AustralianFan]

At least six regions in Russia are interested in hosting 2036 Olympic Games - 27Sep21 - Gamesbids.com

[AustralianFan]

Looks like World Athletics is getting an update on any progress Russia has made.

 

 

 

[baron-pierreIV]

How about Sevastopol in the Crimea?  

[AustralianFan]

On 8/29/2021 at 2:46 PM, stryker said:

CAS already cut the suspension in half. It won't be extended again that is unless someone wants a lengthy court battle with Russia which the IOC does not want. Come December 2022, Russia will be back.

In today’s ITG report, Russia lead the world with 167 anti doping rule violations in 2019 following their number 1 position in 2018 also.

Not a good backdrop to suspension from the Olympic Games suspension being lifted in 2022.   

The way it’s going, Russia’s ban will be extended.  A Future Host Commission is not going to enter into dialogue with a nation about the 2036 Games while that nation is suspended from the Olympic Games.

 

 

[FYI]

Yet Italy, which came in *second* on that same list, for both same years, is hosting in 2026 (which was awarded in 2019, no less). Go figure. LOL

[StefanMUC]

Its doping record is probably our least Russia concern for 2022:

https://twitter.com/dalperovitch/status/1473362460673515527?s=21

[AustralianFan]

15 minutes ago, StefanMUC said:

Its doping record is probably our least Russia concern for 2022:

https://twitter.com/dalperovitch/status/1473362460673515527?s=21

absolutely, it is a big concern the Russian army is gathering on the Ukraine border

[SportLightning]

On 12/21/2021 at 9:47 PM, AustralianFan said:

absolutely, it is a big concern the Russian army is gathering on the Ukraine border

It's really, really tough between them. Russia is not only bidding for the 2036 Olympics but is also bidding for the World Expo 2030 with Moscow as the host city, that might be a warm-up for the 2036 Olympics if awarded.

[Chris_Mex]

9 hours ago, SportLightning said:

It's really, really tough between them. Russia is not only bidding for the 2036 Olympics but is also bidding for the World Expo 2030 with Moscow as the host city, that might be a warm-up for the 2036 Olympics if awarded.

Y'know whats funny?, Odessa, Ukraine is also bidding for World Expo 2030, and if successfull, olympics 2036. Anyway that seems less possible than a moscow 2030 expo, but its funny for me that both are bidding for the same event

[baron-pierreIV]

2 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

Y'know whats funny?, Odessa, Ukraine is also bidding for World Expo 2030, and if successfull, olympics 2036. Anyway that seems less possible than a moscow 2030 expo, but its funny for me that both are bidding for the same event

/\/\  Verrry interesting!! 

[SportLightning]

4 hours ago, Chris_Mex said:

Y'know whats funny?, Odessa, Ukraine is also bidding for World Expo 2030, and if successfull, olympics 2036. Anyway that seems less possible than a moscow 2030 expo, but its funny for me that both are bidding for the same event

Not only Moscow and Odessa are in the running to host the World Expo 2030, but also Rome the past host of the Olympics in 1960 and Expo host in 1953 is in the running along with South Korea's Busan and Saudi Arabia's capital Riyadh which is also hosting the 2034 Asian Games. Moscow has a good chance of hosting the World Expo 2030 over Busan, Rome, Odessa and Riyadh.

[SportLightning]

If Moscow is awarded the World Expo 2030, that would boost Russia's chance of hosting another Olympic Games for 2036.

[Chris_Mex]

4 hours ago, SportLightning said:

Not only Moscow and Odessa are in the running to host the World Expo 2030, but also Rome the past host of the Olympics in 1960 and Expo host in 1953 is in the running along with South Korea's Busan and Saudi Arabia's capital Riyadh which is also hosting the 2034 Asian Games. Moscow has a good chance of hosting the World Expo 2030 over Busan, Rome, Odessa and Riyadh.

IK but the only real city that can be benefited (only in olympic bidding terms) from hosting the expo, are moscow (if putin really want to bring the olympic back to russia), odessa (only if succesfull in expo 2030 and not wanting the winter games) and maybe riyadh (considering they are hosting 2034 asian games, and will problably bid for a 2030/34 world cup), Korea would bet on seoul in 2036 and doubt italy would bid for an olympics only 10 years after milano/cortina.