Germany 2036

[yoshi]

Oh, ok fair enough. Interesting that there's a new plan for Hamburg, the 2024 idea was certainly inventive but didn't seem realistic. Now HSV are (finally!) back in the Bundesliga are they talking about a new stadium anyway, could this be a new Olympic Stadium with a legacy assured? It's something NRW can't boast, & a major difference with Hamburg's 24 plan - could it be enough to swing the referendum?

(Also hello again Martin, nice to see you back here - Hamburg's bid has had one positive impact already )

Edited June 3 by yoshi

[Sir Rols]

Is it just me, or does the Hamburger plan seem the most compact? Hard to tell by the scale of the map.

Anyway, my choices in order of preference 

1: Hamburg

2: NRW (I guess we’re saying that instead of Rhine-Ruhr now)

3: Munich 

4: Berlin

[Citius Altius Fortius]

12 hours ago, cfm Jeremie said:

So what? It is exaclty the same thing as for Berlin (except that Berlin bid section is under the Berlin Stadtportal website whereas the Hamburg bid is under the "Hamburg-Active City" website).

Not sure to understand the point you are trying to make.

You are right - I didn't see that the Berlin bid section is under the Berlin Stadtportal website... 

[Roger87]

My personal favourite is Berlin. Hoping the best. 

[Citius Altius Fortius]

Rhein-Ruhr (NRW) has lounged its website also:

NRW steht bereit für Olympische und Paralympische Spielen an Rhein und Ruhr

Edited June 8 by Citius Altius Fortius

[Roger87]

The recent move from Coventry looks a good opportunity for Germany in an indirect way. 

[StefanMUC]

4 hours ago, Roger87 said:

The recent move from Coventry looks a good opportunity for Germany in an indirect way. 

That‘s what Germany thought in 1940, too.

OK, I must stop being so cynical here.

In reality, we don‘t know at all how this will play out. It may all just be to allow for some cosmetics but the end result will remain the same. Plus she may have realised that the longer certain parties are kept waiting, the more willing they might be to give in to some requests by the IOC rather than the IOC being a prisoner of their own premature decision-making.

[Roger87]

Well after India doing a failed desperate move, Turkey on crossroads and South Africa waiting till 2040...

[Sigh]

Question: Is DOSB doing the same basic mistake as SOK in failing to promote among the general public the idea of Olympic games in your country  or are they smarter?

[StefanMUC]

52 minutes ago, Sigh said:

Question: Is DOSB doing the same basic mistake as SOK in failing to promote among the general public the idea of Olympic games in your country  or are they smarter?

Oh I think they're even dumber. There's always a lot of infighting in that organisation, and while Germans love going to big sports events, the class of sports officials here is mostly very unpopular (Fencing 1976 was just the tip of the iceberg).

[iceman530]

8 hours ago, Roger87 said:

Well after India doing a failed desperate move, Turkey on crossroads and South Africa waiting till 2040...

...........all aboard the Middle East :/  

Its coming

[StefanMUC]

Some bad news for the Munich bid (I guess)...

Last weekend was the local convention of the Greens (currently biggest party in the city council) to discuss their programme for the spring 2026 local elections. While the current leadership of the party is very much in favour of a - sustainable - Munich bid, one of the very outspoken figureheads of the NO campaign in the 2013 referendum (for Winter 2022) managed to hijack that point and showed a divide within the party so that no formal vote in support of the bid took place. And in the coming months until the referendum (26 October), he will likely manage to kick up quite some campaign against it again.

And if a bid can't win a referendum in Munich, it's dead from the start certainly in Berlin (if they have one) and likely in Hamburg too.

[Sir Rols]

12 hours ago, StefanMUC said:

And if a bid can't win a referendum in Munich, it's dead from the start certainly in Berlin (if they have one) and likely in Hamburg too.

Well, according to this (and, usual disclaimer, this is an ITG article), Hamburg’s looking very shaky:

Activism challenges Hamburg's Olympic plan

[iceman530]

Spoiler

 

So we are basically looking at Ruhr Valley as the best shot in the dark?

[yoshi]

I mean the German members are obviously best placed to know but I always thought Hamburg and especially Berlin were no hopers & this was a straight fight between Munich and NRW. And it's not really a simple choice until one becomes clearly better for public support. In any case what's interesting is what happens to the bid year now, that's how we'll know whether they'll allow any competition for Qatar. 

(Also lol that even in Germany you get the Green tendency to start with sensible precautions & concerns & turn them into just being completely anti everything. They are often completely right on a lot but by god they can be frustrating sometimes )

[Sir Rols]

1 hour ago, iceman530 said:

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So we are basically looking at Ruhr Valley as the best shot in the dark?

Speaking of which (again, this in ITG article, so consider it thus)

Cologne Olympic plan considers new facilities

[Sir Rols]

The usual disclaimers that this is an ITG article, but it appears to indicate the Rhine-Ruhr bid is shifting to brand itself as Cologne/Köln

Cologne emerges as Olympic brand

[iceman530]

It is hands down, bar none, Germany's best option.  I'll be rooting for it.

[yoshi]

Köln?! I mean I really like the place but I must admit I'm surprised they're looking at making it the centre of the bid. I thought it'd be mainly hosted further north, around the Ruhr proper - the Düsseldorf to Dortmund megacity. Have they maybe convinced FC to take on the stadium, give their famous goat a full athletics track to run round on? 

[StefanMUC]

OK, I’m not reading an ITG thing anymore, but I fully share yoshi’s sentiment.

Cologne does not need a new stadium nor would it be in the geographical centre or host many sports according to current plans.

The only things it has going for are that it is the single biggest city in the region and that it is the most iconic one compared to the pretty faceless string of cities along the Ruhr. Which is pretty ironic given that apart from the cathedral and outside of carnival season, Cologne is pretty faceless too.

[iceman530]

Total OT for anyone to address how they wish, if I am permitted.  The Mrs. and I are doing a German Christmas Market tour of Germany this year.  We are doing 3 days Cologne, 3 days Nuremburg, 3 days Dresden.  Id like to think I researched well, but what should I be expecting from all three of these places (politics aside).  What are some unique things amongst them that differentiate themselves from the others?  

[StefanMUC]

7 hours ago, iceman530 said:

Total OT for anyone to address how they wish, if I am permitted.  The Mrs. and I are doing a German Christmas Market tour of Germany this year.  We are doing 3 days Cologne, 3 days Nuremburg, 3 days Dresden.  Id like to think I researched well, but what should I be expecting from all three of these places (politics aside).  What are some unique things amongst them that differentiate themselves from the others?  

When it comes to the big “classic” Christmas markets, there’s probably not much difference between them other than the location. Nuremberg is the most famous of them. No idea if they also have some smaller ones in other parts of the city (we have in Munich, and some of them are themed/much nicer and less crowded than the main one). I personally have enough after one visit per year, so a whole nine day trip would traumatise me  Enjoy the tour!