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Another scandal is fueling against Isabel Diaz Ayuso. Not enough to give public money to her brother during pandemic and the other money given to her ex husband, now it's another business deal to her hubby. Adding the scandal of the deaths of old residents, she may faced a formal destitution. Even part of the mainstream media can't defend. Her defense? Attacking the Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez in first line. I don't know why, but this bid maybe in real trouble in the upcoming weeks.
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It was never a good bet from the moment a stronger bid came in the table. And that was not counting Brazil, Chile or Mexico, cause it would be the same result (Even worse). Paraguay was never the favourite of the race.
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And Lima was picked at the end. Never underestimate the geopolitical power. Paraguay entered in that feud with Colombia for nothing
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Well, if the race is between India vs Turkey...
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I guess the thing which may be different in this case is this plan came way before the proper Games bid. Ahmedabad has been in process of redevelopment per plans for Prime Minister Modi to create his hometown as an important hub for the geostrategic corridor Delhi-Mumbai-Ahmedabad. Still, considering this project has been way back when Modi entered in power, has been slowed down. And now, the pressure is on, especially with the precedent of Delhi 2010.
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Grenoble passed for a series of urban redesign since the Olympics. The same happened with Lille. But again, the IOC can't dismiss the luxury of Nice-Cannes zone.
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Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread
Roger87 replied to Victorian's topic in Brisbane 2032 Summer Games
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Anyway, let's see if Isabel Diaz Ayuso survives with her recent (and most relevant) high profile scandal related to the deaths of old residents who weren't taken in public hospitals during pandemic and leaving them dying alone is making more hit. Even now, a part of the right-wing media and colleagues had started to question her to justice. -If Ayuso is the sole representative for this bid, it may be dead sooner -Although if she goes but Pedro Sanchez takes the mantle, it will be a schadenfruede.
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Timing is key. Right now Ayuso is facing a scandal for her development during pandemics but this can work as lifeguard, especially with the news of Brisbane. Hoping Samaranch Jr. has inheritted dad's "diplomacy".
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Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread
Roger87 replied to Victorian's topic in Brisbane 2032 Summer Games
I'm starting to have the feeling this is becoming the Denver of our generation. Just waiting for the last piece to fall the others in reaction. -
Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread
Roger87 replied to Victorian's topic in Brisbane 2032 Summer Games
TBH I never understood the idea of Brisbane, but reading more about this... What the hell was the Queensland government thinking? Or Coates? More beyond of the discussion of 2,5 million to 5, the point is related about the global city. Although Sydney and Melbourne have the similar population to Atlanta, for a country like Australia (26 million) these cities representated their NYC/LA, global cities with proper infrastructure and weight or influence overseas. Brisbane was originally sold as a regional bid, and that could work bringing Gold Coast. Anyway, is a real possibility in the next future (2025) about Brisbane becoming the Denver of the Summer Olympics? Perhaps not now (yet) but going beyond, is there a realistic possibility? -
Yeah. Even if you disagreed, fair or not, to Sanchez's actions, at least as proper politician you need a balanced approach. I guess Sanchez may be willing to work with her if there's a clear opportunity. If somehow loses, watch her blaming him for all the mess. If the Madrid bid is serious, just an advice. Don't put her as the main face of the bid, please. And this isn't the first time Ayuso has offended other people (Ex. Latin American leaders or the same Pope). She even dare to make an US tour with the proper Madrid TV chain as part of the circus some years ago. That's why she really likes Javier Milei and his pal Ramiro Marra (self declared half Spaniard lol) in Argentina.
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In case, Istanbul has the support for the European Games 2027, which also includes swimming and gymnastic events: https://gamesbids.com/eng/other-games-bids/eoc-set-to-award-2027-european-games-to-istanbul-madrid-encouraged-to-bid-for-future-edition/
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Full (geo)political support. But this can work like happened in the prior World Fair which France supported Saudi Arabia first. If any case, any relevant political India can reach from France (And also USA) can work in favour for the bid.
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Yep. Also right now, she's the main figure of the right-wing group of PP (The ones linked with José María Aznar and Esperanza Aguirre. Actually she was Aguirre's personal assistant, alongside Vox's leader Santiago Abascal - The far-right party in Spain). Right now there's an ongoing fight of power inside the PP and probably Ayuso wants more headlines, cause it's real not even the COE did know about this bid. Or the national media. The hilarious thing will be watching her trying to work with Pedro Sanchez after she called him "idiot", "evil communist" and "traitor of Spain" among other things on public TV. LOL. Still, even if we can pass the first point, the second point is the one which I found fishy. It seems to look part of the European national Olympic commitees (Per representation of the European Games administration) is showing full support to Istanbul, not just for doing the proper European Games but also in pushing for a new Olympic bid. And that's not counting France is now fully supporting India for the upcoming Summer Olympic bid.
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I agree if Madrid presents a bid this time would make their case actually compelling and they would actually win the race if being honests, however I would say they are two things which put me this in doubt: First - This is an exclusive decision made by Isabel Diaz Ayuso, leader of the Community of Madrid. Yep that woman (And not, the photo isn't photoshoot). You can Google her, there are a lot of things about her. Beyond ideological discordances with her, according to sources, this bid came as a full surprise in Spain. No one from the national government (Also she has an ultimate feud with Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez) or even inside the COE did know about this bid, and the exclusive news came from Ayuso team in the proper mass media from Madrid. And that came after the new deal Ayuso made with F1. Still, this can't be an impediment considering some bids started first as local projects (For example, Nice-Alps 2030 started as a project from the leaders of the provinces Laurent Wauquiez and Renaud Musselier without proper knowledge of the French national government, although it's weird the COE also didn't know)... However, the second one Istanbul has been picked as the favourite as the 2027 European Games That decision came just a week ago. Among these points, these games will include swimming and gymnastic events, but something interesting came from this: And encouraged Madrid to bid in future edition, even when it was looking Madrid was also bidding for the European Games. Again, for proper case, I think Madrid may have good chances this cycle. However these two things are giving pause to consider Madrid as a done deal even as a proper bid yet.
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I checked this, but you missed some interesting parts of the info: They are still two other main bids from better candidates. The point is about when and how they will present. That's the issue. Unless these countries withdraws, Asunción won't have any chance with just one of these on front. That's the way of the game, going forward.
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It's not about what I want or dream, it's about reality. Taking facts. If Asunción is competing with San Salvador, Santa Marta or Santa Fe then you may have a point to believe Asunción is a solid pick. But from the moment a serious bid enters here then Asunción is over. If you keep that delusion go ahead. As for InsidetheGames... They have India as the favourites to host 2036 Summer Olympics, and before that they have Almaty in 2022 and Stockholm in 2026. Case granted.
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Yeah, I think LA (And USA in general) is, alongside Mexico and Brazil, the best (and perhaps only) bets to replace Barranquilla in a short time. However, for some reason USA is not interested in making the Pan Am Games. Right now, the main interest for 2027 is the Women's FIFA World Cup. Although made with Mexico, if this is like the 2026 World Cup, only Mexico will have the first round of matches and all the elimination rounds will go to USA anyway. The other point I could see Mexico winning is if they want to gain more points for the 2036/2040 Summer Olympics.
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Sorry but I need to recognize my full disbelief on this as serious point lol. Junior Pan Am Games are like Youth Olympics - A smaller event with different standards in infrastructure, security and inversment. If you believe a Youth Olympic city is 100% capable to do a proper big Summer Olympics , especially in upcoming circles, then you think in a full delusional idea. It's like pretending to say Dakar (Senegal) is ready to do the Summer Olympics. Well this is exactly what you consider this as Asuncion more likely than Guadalajara or Monterrey But hey, dreaming is free. Also, in case you didn't know, Asunción beat out Santa Marta for the Junior event - The 13th most populated city of Colombia! And that's not counting aspects like economy, experience in sporting events, infrastructure and more... Just take an example of Cali. A Third of the events needed to spread out to Barranquilla, Palmira and Buga. And we're talking about Colombia, a country 8 times more populated and 7 times richer than Paraguay. Paraguay has 6.1 million of habitants. That's just less 800K more people in all the South American country than all the population in both Monterrey and Guadalajara. And if we go for economy, any of the states of Nuevo Leon or Jalisco ALONE produced the double of GDP than all Paraguay. Paraguay is 15th on Latin American GDP, below Bolivia and Panama. Mexico is 2nd, barely behind to Brazil. And let's not forget, Mexico could do that exactly on similar circunstances - FIFA World Cup 1986 (Including a devastating earthquake a year before). Paraguay did need to have the Presidency of Conmebol to reach the inaugural match of 2030. Unless the PASO really wanted the most austere events for 2027 (Which showed by Santiago they weren't), there's simple no way Asuncion is a good possible pick to replace Barranquilla in just 3 years and definitely isn't most likely to win if there's a Mexican bid. Only Brazil, USA or Canada can offer fight. But let be serious on this.
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Another thing in consideration for picking the Mexican bid is political. The upcoming general elections will be this year. Unless a big disaster happens, it's completely clear the next President will be a woman and Lopez Obrador's succesor - Claudia Sheinbaum. The question is related to the regional governments (states). Nuevo Leon will have a new governor till 2027 (Recently the governor Samuel Garcia made a brief campaign for a third party - Citizens' Movement) but the pressure over the main opposition (PRI and PAN) and internal constitutional crisis made difficult that. PAN, but especially PRI, are facing a life or death election. Regionally speaking Nuevo Leon only have a changement of local congress. However, there will be a new governor in 2024 in Jalisco. Originally the other state from Citizens' Movement, the current governor (Enrique Alfaro) is facing high levels of disapproval and backlash, so in the prospects of the new election is likely the new governor came from the officialism (MORENA and allies), and not just the governor, two thirds numbers of mayors of the current metropolitan area of Guadalajara also could belong to MORENA.
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Considering this is what happened with Colombia (At Pan Ams true) I guess better now than later.
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Well, as happened between 1982-1983 Mexico is (likely) taking another sporting event from Colombia with just 3 years of preparation. That time was the FIFA World Cup, now it's the 2027 Pan American Games (Right now, the fight is between Guadalajara and Monterrey to replace Barranquilla).