baron-pierreIV Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 In view of what I consider the shady, showy and unethical practice of having heads of state show up and press for votes at these IOC gatherings -- and a practice the IOC itself is now calling into question, I therefore ask: should the votes of London and Sochi be recalled and revoted? I say YES. If not, then future site elections should NOT disbar future heads of state. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monorail Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Get over it and move on! This is how the IOC operates like it or not. You may not agree with it but I doubt anything will be done to change their current practices and systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Ha! Hasty reply! You need to reflect on your past errors as does the IOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think Athens 1896 should be recalled _ King Constantine the whatever obviously had too much influence in the result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think they should erase all the 'modern' Olympics history and start from scratch!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave199 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I think they should erase all the 'modern' Olympics history and start from scratch!! Quite Extreme methods you have in mind Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monorail Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Ha! Hasty reply! You need to reflect on your past errors as does the IOC. I wasn't trying to be rude but it's time to move on and look forward to the 2008 Beijing Games and the 2016 bid race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted July 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I wasn't trying to be rude but it's time to move on and look forward to the 2008 Beijing Games and the 2016 bid race. I knew you weren't. Was just trying to post a new provocative topic since the IOC nabobs are thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 New York would get 2012. I think they were the only nation who didn't send their head of state for 2012. The stadium-less bid would have won! hehe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 New York would get 2012. I think they were the only nation who didn't send their head of state for 2012. The stadium-less bid would have won! hehe! Actually, Putin didn't come to Singapore (he spoke through a video). So it could have been Moscow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainad Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 In view of what I consider the shady, showy and unethical practice of having heads of state show up and press for votes at these IOC gatherings -- and a practice the IOC itself is now calling into question, I therefore ask: should the votes of London and Sochi be recalled and revoted? I say YES. If not, then future site elections should NOT disbar future heads of state. Discuss. I don't mind.But if they do have a re-vote and London loses out this time,I trust the IOC is prepared to indemnify London for all the millions of pounds currently spent on preparing for the 2012 Games over the last two years and face a possible lawsuit for breach of contract and that Paris or Madrid is prepared to step in with just 5 years left to prepare.Ditto Sochi although they haven't had time to spend any money yet,but the IOC must then face the possibility of a future Russian boycott of the 2014 Games (wherever they end up) along with that of Russia' allies and sympathizers on the world scene. Oh,and don't forget Vancouver 2010.That will have to be re-voted as well considering that then Canadian prime-minister,Jean Chretien was present in Prague for the vote.Just think of all the money they will have to indemnify Vancouver for over the last 4 years.Plus it will only give any new 2010 winner,just 3 years left to prepare!! So if the IOC are prepared for all those eventualities....then by all means go ahead!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Lol. Yeah, I'm not one who believes in "recounts" & things of that nature. In London's case (or Vancouver's, for that matter) I don't think them winning is that much of an issue, if there is one at all. But even though I don't believe that Sochi should've won 2014, the vote is done, they won & now they need to host it. No recounts, no nothing. Jacques Rogge bringing it up means for future elections. I'm sure he doesn't mean "recount". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 Actually, Putin didn't come to Singapore (he spoke through a video). So it could have been Moscow. I don't know about that. Putin pulling off a handful of votes Sochi's way is one thing, but pulling off about a dozen or so more votes for Moscow seems like it would've been an extreme challenge, even for him. I'm sure he knew that the 2012 Olympics were "destined" to either London or Paris, so he wasn't going to "waste" his time. I doubt he would've been able to sway 15-20 more votes in favor of Moscow considering their last place finish (& the IOC 2012 ECR's most criticism on Moscow), which is about the numbers that what would've been needed if they were going to at least make it to the final 2012 ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I don't know about that. Putin pulling off a handful of votes Sochi's way is one thing, but pulling off about a dozen or so more votes for Moscow seems like it would've been an extreme challenge, even for him. I'm sure he knew that the 2012 Olympics were "destined" to either London or Paris, so he wasn't going to "waste" his time. I doubt he would've been able to sway 15-20 more votes in favor of Moscow considering their last place finish (& the IOC 2012 ECR's most criticism on Moscow), which is about the numbers that what would've been needed if they were going to at least make it to the final 2012 ballot. I was of course joking. I agree with you that Moscow didn't stand a chance and that's precisely why Putin didn't go to Singapore. I only wonder whether Moscow could have taken the edge over NYC during the first round... Anyhow, what's done is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwebb Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 I don't mind.But if they do have a re-vote and London loses out this time,I trust the IOC is prepared to indemnify London for all the millions of pounds currently spent on preparing for the 2012 Games over the last two years and face a possible lawsuit for breach of contract and that Paris or Madrid is prepared to step in with just 5 years left to prepare.Ditto Sochi although they haven't had time to spend any money yet,but the IOC must then face the possibility of a future Russian boycott of the 2014 Games (wherever they end up) along with that of Russia' allies and sympathizers on the world scene.Oh,and don't forget Vancouver 2010.That will have to be re-voted as well considering that then Canadian prime-minister,Jean Chretien was present in Prague for the vote.Just think of all the money they will have to indemnify Vancouver for over the last 4 years.Plus it will only give any new 2010 winner,just 3 years left to prepare!! So if the IOC are prepared for all those eventualities....then by all means go ahead!! And here of course is the reason why any re-vote on these decisions is never going to happen. Besides which, I don't see what the problem is with having political leaders there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 In view of what I consider the shady, showy and unethical practice of having heads of state show up and press for votes at these IOC gatherings -- and a practice the IOC itself is now calling into question, I therefore ask: should the votes of London and Sochi be recalled and revoted? I agree. Things were much better when IOC decisions were based upon offering scholarships and jewellry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost1 Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 New York would get 2012. I think they were the only nation who didn't send their head of state for 2012. The stadium-less bid would have won! hehe! Putin doid not attend 2012 as well, so Moscow should've be chosen... but then what about Sochi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainad Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Actually,if they do a 2012 re-vote,only Paris should be disqualified as it was the only one whose Head of State (Jacques Chirac) showed up.Blair was not a Head of State and neither Bush nor Putin showed up in the flesh (they just sent video messages).So Paris is out (again) and London and the other 3 cities are still eligible! In the case of 2014,all three candidates will have to be disqualified and three new ones shortlisted. In the case of 2010,Vancouver is safe after all as Chretien was not a Head of State any more than Blair!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I don't think having the head of state or government matters all that much. Any messenger can show up with the big bag of money for the corrupt IOC members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost1 Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 In the case of 2014,all three candidates will have to be disqualified and three new ones shortlisted. Thant's fine with me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchnounours Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 i suggest more ioc menbers. with 100 menbers every city can propose to do this or that for his country or his past sport. with something like 800-1000 you will have to convince only with your bid and your presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arwebb Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 Do the numbers of members really change anything? The presentation is crucial now, never mind having more members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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