zekekelso Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 They also have sports at the Olympics, from what I hear. Sports *and* Rhythm Gymnastics. The best of all worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Nah, Disneyland did rocket man almost thirty years earlier. Most people remember the spaceship the most. You don't know what you're talking about. You're wrong, plain and simple. The spaceship wasn't even in the OC, it was in the CC and it did not have anywhere near the same impact as the rocket man. Disney did NOT do the same thing in the 50's or 60's. You are voicing opinions about something you know NOTHING about. You were not even born at the time. You can comment on what you think is more interesting NOW, but you are clueless about how these things were received in 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 While I agree with much of AF's post, here's a rocketman from Disneyland in the 60's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyvN3rF3mUM And a very different Rocketman from the 70's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76itSz-QEcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yeah, but it's a jetpack. The sheer awesomeness of a jetpack shouldn't be brought down because some other guy did it a few years back. It was still unique back then, and it still is today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 You don't know what you're talking about. You're wrong, plain and simple. The spaceship wasn't even in the OC, it was in the CC and it did not have anywhere near the same impact as the rocket man. Disney did NOT do the same thing in the 50's or 60's. You are voicing opinions about something you know NOTHING about. You were not even born at the time. You can comment on what you think is more interesting NOW, but you are clueless about how these things were received in 1984. These are not necessarily my opinions, but things I have observed from the memories of both people online and people in real life. For the majority of people I know and/or have talked to about the Olympics the spaceship is the one thing they remember from the LA games in general. Also Disneyland had a rocket-man in 1964. The 1982 Worlds Fair also had one. LA's idea was not unique or original, it was an act that had been done numerous times before. Disney history is one area that I am particularly strong in, I have been a Disney fan since I was able to comprehend what Disney was. Thanks to the internet I can know how these things were received in 1984, from being able to read thousands of articles from the time of the games I can gauge an accurate idea of how the ceremonies were perceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman617 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 These are not necessarily my opinions, but things I have observed from the memories of both people online and people in real life. For the majority of people I know and/or have talked to about the Olympics the spaceship is the one thing they remember from the LA games in general... I remember the '84 OC and CC pretty vividly (the fact that I taped them on VHS and watched them about a million times has reinforced those memories)... the spaceship might be remembered because it was an epically bad, embarrassing, and stupid thing. Lionel Richie singing "All Night Long" was actually more interesting. AT least there were break dancers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 While I agree with much of AF's post, here's a rocketman from Disneyland in the 60's And a very different Rocketman from the 70's The above links didn't work for me, but I found others. Obviously, I stand corrected -- to a degree. To me, the 84 flight was longer, higher and much more spectacular. But that's my opinion. What is NOT opinion is the fact that the rocket man was one of the most talked about moments -- if not THE most talked about moment from the 84 OC. Far more than those grand pianos, certainly. And the spaceship from the CC was not particularly impressive to those who saw it in person because it was very obvious how it was done. This is one area where I strongly recommend trusting people who were actually ALIVE and PRESENT for the event rather than the opinions of those who were born long after it was over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks to the internet I can know how these things were received in 1984, from being able to read thousands of articles from the time of the games I can gauge an accurate idea of how the ceremonies were perceived. Honestly now... how many contemporary reviews of the '84 ceremonies have you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 There is ONE OC moment that is mentioned in the Wikipedia article on LA 84. Rocket man. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics A British article citing the top five OC moments of all time includes ONE from LA. Rocket man. http://metro.co.uk/2011/07/27/top-five-olympic-opening-ceremony-moments-rocketman-muhammad-ali-93319/ The Rocket man is the first moment from LA mentioned on Ric Birch's site (admittedly alongside others). http://spectak.com/los_angeles.html The Olympic Museum in Lausanne is currently staging an exhibition on LA 84. The review contains ONE photo of the entertainment from the OC. Rocket man. https://creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2014/september/la84-colorful-la-olympic-museum That's just after a very quick and dirty search. No other moment from 84 made a stronger impact or is better remembered than the rocket man. Sure the pianos were cool and the spaceship from the CC was different, but it was the rocket man that wowed everybody at the time. I experienced it firsthand and there's plenty of documentation to back it up. Bernham, you're a pompous, immature annoyance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 No other moment from 84 made a stronger impact or is better remembered than the rocket man. And you could find a dozen other articles that doesn't mention rocket man first. Some don't even mention it at all. (Side note - that wikipeida article mentions several other OC events). To state that one moment made the strongest impresseion and is best remembered is ridiculous. Millions of people watched, millions have memories. No single right answer. Unlike our friend Bernham, I couldn't find many articles written in '84 about the ceremony. But below is one. Lots of good stuff: http://www.csmonitor.com/1984/0730/073004.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanMUC Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 USA 1984 thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Not sure which is skimpier.... Carl's muscles, or those 80's shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Cheater^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Cheater^^^ Other than the fact that "everyone was doing it" back then, there's zero evidence of Carl Lewis being a cheater. (And, no, being busted with microscopic amounts of Seudofed in your blood isn't evidence of being a cheater.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Cheater^^^ Says a Canadian. Regardless of who was or wasn't cheating, 1 guy got caught. The other one didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 There is ONE OC moment that is mentioned in the Wikipedia article on LA 84. Rocket man. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics A British article citing the top five OC moments of all time includes ONE from LA. Rocket man. http://metro.co.uk/2011/07/27/top-five-olympic-opening-ceremony-moments-rocketman-muhammad-ali-93319/ The Rocket man is the first moment from LA mentioned on Ric Birch's site (admittedly alongside others). http://spectak.com/los_angeles.html The Olympic Museum in Lausanne is currently staging an exhibition on LA 84. The review contains ONE photo of the entertainment from the OC. Rocket man. https://creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2014/september/la84-colorful-la-olympic-museum That's just after a very quick and dirty search. No other moment from 84 made a stronger impact or is better remembered than the rocket man. Sure the pianos were cool and the spaceship from the CC was different, but it was the rocket man that wowed everybody at the time. I experienced it firsthand and there's plenty of documentation to back it up. Bernham, you're a pompous, immature annoyance. I can testify that many people have shared that the space ship was iconic, in part because the watched through TV. All of the segments from the ceremonies (any ceremony for that matter) look far better on television then in real life. My argument is that while the rocket man might have been cool, it was not a unique or new concept. The ceremony being organized by Disney featured many past Disney tricks, this is especially seen with the rocket man. Additionally, all of those articles are invalid (with the exception of the IOC one) because they are about the Opening Ceremonies. None of them are studies or opinions on the most iconic moments from the games. Event then I'm sure sports would triumph over our petty argument about the ceremonies. Oh yes, my argument also claims the the Spaceship was very iconic for many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I can testify that many people have shared that the space ship was iconic, in part because the watched through TV. All of the segments from the ceremonies (any ceremony for that matter) look far better on television then in real life. My argument is that while the rocket man might have been cool, it was not a unique or new concept. The ceremony being organized by Disney featured many past Disney tricks, this is especially seen with the rocket man. Additionally, all of those articles are invalid (with the exception of the IOC one) because they are about the Opening Ceremonies. None of them are studies or opinions on the most iconic moments from the games. Event then I'm sure sports would triumph over our petty argument about the ceremonies. Oh yes, my argument also claims the the Spaceship was very iconic for many people. bernham.. let it go. You're arguing someone's first person accounts with your third person accounts. Watching something on YouTube is not the same as having experienced them in the time and place they occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Says a Canadian. Oh, please. Plently of athletes get busted from all over. Lance Armstrong??? Point is, I don't have respect for either Johnson or Lewis. I think they were both lying scumbags. If you watch the 30 for 30 documentary about Ben Johnson, Lewis esentially admits to having doped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 If you watch the 30 for 30 documentary about Ben Johnson, Lewis esentially admits to having doped. Nonsense. He does no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofan Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Nonsense. He does no such thing. You're right. I jumped the gun on that one. But it is mentioned in the film that asked off camera by the director, member of the Santa Monica Track Club Andre Johnson esentially admits that he spiked Johnson's drink prior to the race. It calls into question Lewis' character and whether or not "dirty tactics" were in play. Lewis also comes off as so smug and arrogant in the documentary that it's hard to find him the slightest bit likeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I can testify that many people have shared that the space ship was iconic, in part because the watched through TV. All of the segments from the ceremonies (any ceremony for that matter) look far better on television then in real life. My argument is that while the rocket man might have been cool, it was not a unique or new concept. The ceremony being organized by Disney featured many past Disney tricks, this is especially seen with the rocket man. Additionally, all of those articles are invalid (with the exception of the IOC one) because they are about the Opening Ceremonies. None of them are studies or opinions on the most iconic moments from the games. Event then I'm sure sports would triumph over our petty argument about the ceremonies. Oh yes, my argument also claims the the Spaceship was very iconic for many people. AF just pooh-poohs the Space ship becuz it really was better and more cleverly done than the "giving-head" moment in Athens. For 1 thing, you couldn't see the cables...and it had never been done before. Yeah, after a while, you knew it was hokey but still you asked yourself: how did they do that? Whereas in Athens -- and it was a stunner -- but you could see ALL the cables doing the trick. Also, ancient Romans had huge things coming out of their fluvial shows (page 76 in my book). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 AF just pooh-poohs the Space ship becuz it really was better and more cleverly done than the "giving-head" moment in Athens. For 1 thing, you couldn't see the cables...and it had never been done before. Yeah, after a while, you knew it was hokey but still you asked yourself: how did they do that? Whereas in Athens -- and it was a stunner -- but you could see ALL the cables doing the trick. Also, ancient Romans had huge things coming out of their fluvial shows (page 76 in my book). Western Society is purely based off of ancient Rome and Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Western Society is purely based off of ancient Rome and Greece. Yup. I know that. No need to tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Western Society is purely based off of ancient Rome and Greece. Eh?I think you're confused by the Greek philosophy of democracy. Aside from that 'western society' is an extremely broad church- drawing many more influences than "purely Rome or Greece", or whatever that means. I'd argue that British and French traditions were far more influential over the roots of the US, for instance, than Ancient Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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