mr.bernham Posted August 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 If LA is merely "nice" and you do not "support any of the bids" then why did you just call LA's bid "genius?" The above statement looks quite a bit like support to me. Then again, you say this. Bernham, the reality is that you try desperately to sound smart and elevate yourself above the other newbies, but you are just as confused and immature as any of them. I said my bid support is neutral (so I don't support any one bid), I do not solely support LA or Boston or at this point even DC, this does not stop me from complementing the other bids. LA's plan was genius for the city and I do hope that Boston takes time to think out the bid and I do wish them the best of luck. It's the same luck I give to LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 I said my bid support is neutral (so I don't support any one bid), I do not solely support LA or Boston or at this point even DC, this does not stop me from complementing the other bids. LA's plan was genius for the city and I do hope that Boston takes time to think out the bid and I do wish them the best of luck. It's the same luck I give to LA. Brother. Do you hear yourself? That's gobbledygook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 I backed Oslo from day one, but disagreed that Almaty could not get shortlisted or had a chance if Oslo dropped out. After reading the IOC report it is obvious that the IOC will avoid Almaty at all costs. Secondly, I have been very open about my opinions on the US bid race and they have only changed recently. I had hope that DC would have a good plan, but also noted that the LA plan was nice and that Boston had some type of hope. Over recent months that faith in DC has been lost. I still do not support any of the bids and hold a neutral view point on the race. This however does not stop me from giving credit to a bid when credit is due. Yeah, but see, here's the thing. It didn't have to take the IOC's own preliminary report to see that Almaty isn't exactly up to snuff. Despite the exaggerated embellishments by some here (including yourself at one point). Because if there was any merit to any of those claims, then they wouldn't have received such a poor grade in the evaluation in the first place. Same goes with DC. We haven't found out anymore about them, than what we already have known, in the last few months to say that "faith in DC has been lost". That would suggest that there was faith TBW, which clearly isn't the case here. This isn't the same thing as trying to create perspective with math questions or sports teams being eliminated in a tournament. It's about hypothesis, & trying to gauge the landscape with what information (or lack there of sometimes) that we may have. It's also knowing the IOC's fastidious, & most often times, capricious ways throughout the years to see where they may head in any given race. All too complex than merely just switching teams simply bcuz your favorite one is no longer in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Oakland/SF Bay Area moving ahead with new Coliseum/Olympic City... http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/08/22/oakland-releases-draft-plan-for-coliseum-city-project-raiders-athletics-warriors-stadium-ballpark-arena/ http://www2.oaklandnet.com/oakca1/groups/ceda/documents/policy/oak048826.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Oakland/SF Bay Area moving ahead with new Coliseum/Olympic City... http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/08/22/oakland-releases-draft-plan-for-coliseum-city-project-raiders-athletics-warriors-stadium-ballpark-arena/ http://www2.oaklandnet.com/oakca1/groups/ceda/documents/policy/oak048826.pdf Could this be 'Olympafied'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Could this be 'Olympafied'? Could it, as in technically could it.. yes. Could it, as in is there any realistic chance of that happening.. wouldn't count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 As far as I can tell there is no mention anywhere of Olympic Games. Page 12 of the report shows 4 possible scenarios: New stadium, ballpark, arena New stadium, ballpark, existing arena. New stadium OR ballpark, existing arena. Existing arena, no stadium or ballpark. Depending on which plan actually gets implemented, the suitability of the site for an Olympic Games changes significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohooitsme83 Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 PICTUREZ! YAY! -------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 /\/\ Obviously, a "new" arena scheme is outdated and OUT of the picture because the GS Warriors are definitely pitching camp in San Francisco. So why should they build a new arena when there won't be an anchor tenant? I think Oakland just got over-billed by the architects for obsolete work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Wait...didn't the NFL just build a new stadium in the Bay Area? Why do they want to build another one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Wait...didn't the NFL just build a new stadium in the Bay Area? Why do they want to build another one? That belongs to the 49ers and is down in Santa Clara -- 2 different franchises, mr. b, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.bernham Posted August 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 That belongs to the 49ers and is down in Santa Clara -- 2 different franchises, mr. b, Okay, that makes more sense. I have never been much of a Football fan anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 i never imagine a truly great Olympic park in SN anywhere but Candlestick park and Hunters Point area. Guess that ship has total sailed and impossible, was a nice dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Wait...didn't the NFL just build a new stadium in the Bay Area? Why do they want to build another one? To expand on what baron said.. there was some talk of the 49ers and Raiders sharing a stadium, similar to the Jets and Giants here in the NYC area. But their fanbases don't necessarily overlap to the point that was destined to work. The 49ers moved all the way down from Candlestick Point to Santa Clara, a good 40 miles south, in part because they feel they can tap into the fan base in San Jose. Location-wise, that doesn't suit the Raiders so well, whose fans are mostly in the East bay. They and the A's were looking at Fremont, but they're having trouble coming up with a plan. So now it looks like they might have their sights set on this Coliseum city project. Remember that the A's and Raiders are the only MLB and NFL teams that still share a stadium. The Coliseum is having all sorts of issues and is in dire need of being replaced. The nature of the geography in the Bay Area is largely what is driving these decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Okay, that makes more sense. I have never been much of a Football fan anyways I guess. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Candlestick has a unique micro-climate that can be miserable in summer. Though less than 10 miles away, the weather in Mission Bay is significantly better. Plus Mission Bay has tons of transportation options. No idea how much land around there could be converted to Olympic use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Deborah Sussman dies at 83; LA designer known for bold use of color-LA Times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Well, she was HALF the team which designed LA's striking Look. I believe she did the colors but architect Jon Jerde was responsible for the shapes and geometry and volumes used. The LA Report credits the Jerde-Sussman partnership. Actually, for her 1984 work, she out-Mexicanized Mexico 1968. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningrings Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Brilliant designer. Love the LA84 look. One of my favourites, up there with Sochi, Vancouver, Athens and Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I'm sorry to hear of Ms. Sussman's passing. Even though I was only six years old in 1984 and had no idea who she was, her work had a HUGE impact on me and has strongly influenced my own aesthetic as a designer. That Olympic color palette was stunning. This picture shows my family in Exposition Park, standing in front of one of her unforgettable Olympic creations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 @Paul, why don't you transfer the post you had on Deborah Sussman on the new thread I created to mark LA 1984, 30 years later on the "Past Bids" category?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 .......ok , I posted it here but figured it wasn't quite right. But you know........anything USA just is a huge gigantic jumble of drift anyway. Athensfan....AWSOME PIC OF YOU AND FAMILY!!! Thanks for sharing it with us. Gosh I just LOVE how LA adjusted the typical colors.......seems so easy but was ingenious. And really just so many facets about what was done were so brilliant and new and fresh and now iconic. Really was a vocabulary of a games/time that lasted and was influential way beyond those legendary games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 I wonder how much she was influenced by Disney's Mary Blair (and vice versa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 Personally, I like the '84 look a whole lot more for several reasons -- one of the biggest being Sussman's distinctive color palette which really isn't anything like the standard 1960's golds in the Mary Blair pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 well, Sussman and Jerde's designs also said "playful and low-budget" -- which it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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