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And you could find a dozen other articles that doesn't mention rocket man first. Some don't even mention it at all. (Side note - that wikipeida article mentions several other OC events).

To state that one moment made the strongest impresseion and is best remembered is ridiculous. Millions of people watched, millions have memories. No single right answer.

http://www.csmonitor.com/1984/0730/073004.html

No. It is not "ridiculous" to say one moment dominated if you were there and actually lived through it. I was. Were you?

I'm not saying that's true if every OC, but it WAS true of LA.

Sure some individuals will have other memories. Some may remember the gospel choir or Pioneer Spirit better. That doesn't change the fact that the overall collective impression was clearly dominated by the rocket man. Everyone was buzzing about it. It was by far THE "wow moment" at the time.

I haven't seen any articles that purport to present a representative summary of LA's OC and detail other entertainment portions, but skip the rocket man. I'd consider any account that did so to be an extremely dubious source.

I repeat my claim about Wikipedia. There is a section detailing Highlights of the Games. Only one moment from the entertainment portion of the OC appears. Rocket man. Here is the exact text of that paragraph, unedited:

"The opening ceremony featured the arrival of Bill Suitor by means of the Bell Aerosystems rocket pack (also known as a Jet Pack).

As a result of an IOC agreement designating the Republic of China (Taiwan) Chinese Taipei, the People's Republic of China returned to the summer Olympics for the first time since Helsinki 1952 and won 15 gold medals. In weightlifting, athletes from the Chinese Taipei and China teams won medals at the same event.

Eleven athletes failed drug tests at the Los Angeles Games.

Local Los Angeles artist Rodolfo Escalera was commissioned to create nine paintings depicting the summer games that would later be turned into collectible plates and presented as "The Official Gift of the 1984 Olympics".

This conversation is tedious and I'm tired of arguing something I KNOW to be true with people who weren't even there. I'm done.

AF just pooh-poohs the Space ship becuz it really was better and more cleverly done than the "giving-head" moment in Athens. :lol:

For 1 thing, you couldn't see the cables...and it had never been done before. Yeah, after a while, you knew it was hokey but still you asked yourself: how did they do that? Whereas in Athens -- and it was a stunner -- but you could see ALL the cables doing the trick. Also, ancient Romans had huge things coming out of their fluvial shows (page 76 in my book).

People left that CC saying the spaceship was a dud. Sorry, but they did. Sure it got points for originality, but it didn't get the buzz of rocket man. Period.

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AF logic: ... you are right, because you know what everyone was thinking 30 years ago. And any evidence should be rejected as dubious if it disagrees with what you know to be true.

Tony's logic is better than that. Thought you are still ahead of GCL.

PS - Your comment wasn't about one section of the wikipedia article, it was about the whole article.

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Eh?

I think you're confused by the Greek philosophy of democracy. Aside from that 'western society' is an extremely broad church- drawing many more influences than "purely Rome or Greece", or whatever that means.

I'd argue that British and French traditions were far more influential over the roots of the US, for instance, than Ancient Greece.

Really? How Amero-centric of you. Western Society includes France and England. Western Society from morals, traditions, architecture, and art all stem from ancient Rome and Greece. From the classically inspired facades of London, Paris, and Washington to our very idea of history and how a society should be structured.

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AF logic: ... you are right, because you know what everyone was thinking 30 years ago. And any evidence should be rejected as dubious if it disagrees with what you know to be true.

Tony's logic is better than that. Thought you are still ahead of GCL.

PS - Your comment wasn't about one section of the wikipedia article, it was about the whole article.

That's specious reasoning and a gross misrepresentation. You know it.

Do I know that 9/11 was the dominant moment in American history in the first decade of the new millenium? Yes. Do I know what everyone was thinking? No.

Do I know the rocket man was the most talked about moment from the 84 OC? Yes. Do I know what everyone was thinking? No.

This is not matter of opinion.

The Wikipedia proves my point no matter how stupidly pedantic you want to get about it.

This has deteriorated into a pissing contest. I'm over it. Facts are facts whether or not some of you want to acknowledge them.

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The Wikipedia proves my point no matter how stupidly pedantic you want to get about it.

This has deteriorated into a pissing contest. I'm over it. Facts are facts whether or not some of you want to acknowledge them.

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Love that you're trying to use a Wikipedia page to validate your argument. Here's the thing.. you were there, so you probably have more defined memories of LA `84 than pretty much anyone else here, save of course for baron. And you were what.. 6 years old at the time? To say it was the signature moment of the Opening Ceremony isn't exactly a provable fact. It may be a fairly accurate point, but your cherry picking through websites and articles because they agree with your point of view (and a mere mention of that moment hardly makes it a fact) is not proof. You originally said There is ONE OC moment that is mentioned in the Wikipedia article on LA 84. Rocket man. That's incorrect. You had to qualify it to say "in the highlights section." And for crying out loud, it's Wikipedia. Anyone can edit pages there to their liking. I think you probably have the upper hand in this argument over bernham, although that's not saying much. But don't tell the rest of us to accept your opinion as fact simply because it's what you recall (again, as a 6 year old) and you've managed to find others' recollections of history that agree with you.

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I wasn't cherry-picking at all. I spent a few minutes searching and I didn't exclude any links because they took an alternate view. I actually didn't find any links that took an alternate view.

Sure Wikipedia is a dubious source, but when they list "highlights" and there's only one moment from the OC, that counts for something.

I was 6 in 1984. My memories are what they are. More significantly, my father coordinated his company's corporate sponsorship of the Games. He worked very closely with the organizing committee and had an inside track on the Games. That's my primary source of information and I know it's reliable.

The '84 Olympics had a huge impact on me personally (despite my age, or perhaps because of it) and on my family history.

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Well I apologize for derailing this thread into a pissing contest. Athens your right, I'm wrong.

To get back on topic I'm not sure if anyone read this article from the Boston Globe about potential venue locations. After reading through it seems like a credible article that gives us a behind the scenes look at what the Boston Committee is thinking. It appears that it would be spread out, but I'm not too familiar with the Boston area to be able to know how spread out the plan is. The one thing that worries me is the narrative...or lack thereof according to this quote by the committee's chairman "Why does Tokyo need it? They’ve got the 2020 games,” he said. “I think the argument about need needs to be set aside . . . What is wrong with wanting it" Well that explains the logo...

LINK:http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/06/19/for-boston-summer-olympics-where-might-build-opening-ceremonies-stadium-hold-beach-volleyball/GxH03roCCQjLYzpVkuMKWL/story.html

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Well I apologize for derailing this thread into a pissing contest. Athens your right, I'm wrong.

To get back on topic I'm not sure if anyone read this article from the Boston Globe about potential venue locations. After reading through it seems like a credible article that gives us a behind the scenes look at what the Boston Committee is thinking. It appears that it would be spread out, but I'm not too familiar with the Boston area to be able to know how spread out the plan is. The one thing that worries me is the narrative...or lack thereof according to this quote by the committee's chairman "Why does Tokyo need it? They’ve got the 2020 games,” he said. “I think the argument about need needs to be set aside . . . What is wrong with wanting it" Well that explains the logo...

LINK:http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/06/19/for-boston-summer-olympics-where-might-build-opening-ceremonies-stadium-hold-beach-volleyball/GxH03roCCQjLYzpVkuMKWL/story.html

An old-ish article, but still... re the map and potential locations, if this is the Boston plan, the locations are all fairly proximate to one another. Franklin Park, Suffolk Downs and Allston Railyard are perhaps the most distant, about 4 miles each from the core (JFK/UMass Olympic Village; main stadium; media center). Using the main stadium as the center point, the Olympic Village would be about a mile away (and features a beach, a park with practice fields and practice track), the media center (which could also be the location for a number of events (fencing, judo, taekwondo, etc.) is about 3/4 mile from the stadium. TD Garden (gymnastics) is under 2 miles away and sits on top of a major rail/transit hub. Agannis Arena at Boston University (basketball, volleyball) is about 3 miles away. Harvard's stadium (field hockey, wrestling, other events) is about 4 miles away. With the exception of Franklin Park (on the map) all locations noted are, to my recollection, within a few hundred yards of a rail or subway line.

We will have to see, though, if this is the real plan.

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I'll bet my bottom dollar that Tim Leiweke's departure from Maple Leaf Sports + Entertainment has to do with him going to lead the Los Angeles Olympic bid.

Edit: Well, would you look at that: http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/22/report-leiweke-to-head-up-olympic-bid-in-los-angeles/

Article is a little old, but it's interesting.

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How are the Winter Olympics more glamorous?

Do you ski? It's just more exciting and faster......the winter sports, and the time of year and nature is more dramatic and inspirational.

Sport and travel in winter is magical and exciting to me too. Nothing like arriving in true winter destination ready to explore and party with friends.

Summer Olympics seem more like a hot mess now that they are so outrageously demanding and bloated beyond control.

I'm not advocating a winter over summer, I don't really care much about it at the moment, seems unimportant really.

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Do you ski? It's just more exciting and faster......the winter sports, and the time of year and nature is more dramatic and inspirational.

Sport and travel in winter is magical and exciting to me too. Nothing like arriving in true winter destination ready to explore and party with friends.

Summer Olympics seem more like a hot mess now that they are so outrageously demanding and bloated beyond control.

I'm not advocating a winter over summer, I don't really care much about it at the moment, seems unimportant really.

I don't ski. But it's magical? I guess you think flight delays are more exciting, too. I have in fact been to a Winter Olympics before (I was in SLC in 2002). Can't say I've been to a Summer Olympics. I understand entirely what you're saying about a winter setting, just not sure that fits a definition of 'glamorous.' And keep in mind that there are a lot more people who experience the Olympics on TV than in person.

Also, if you're going to talk about the Olympics being bloated beyond control.. that logic applies to the Winter Olympics as well, thank you Sochi. Still, I think it says something that Summer hosts are cities like London and Beijing and Sydney. Winter hosts, by nature of needing to be near a mountain range, are the likes of Vancouver and Turin and Salt Lake. Nothing at all against those cities, but if we're going to talk about an event and its location, which grouping seems bigger and grander? Not even a contest.

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Summer Sports are excellent. Football, Athletics, Swimming, Diving, Track Cycling etc.

I can see United States Of America getting a Winter Olympics before a Summer Olympics. If Oslo doesn't withdraw and eventually goes on to Host the 2022 Winter Olympics and Paralympics, then I can see Denver, United States Of America getting the 2026 Winter Olympics and Paralympics. If Oslo does withdraw and Beijing goes on to Host the 2022 Winter Olympics and Paralympics, then a European City will Host the 2026 Winter Olympics and Paralympics. I can't see United States Of America Hosting a Summer Olympics and Paralympics until at least 2036. Rome 2024, Durban 2028, Berlin 2032 and New York City 2036.

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