Rob2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) If the world cup started in mid-January they would have to go into February and conflict with the WOG Ah, Platini is well ahead of you on that one. November/December are his proposed dates to avoid precisely that issue. Problem solved! Of course, it'll screw up the 2021/22 and 2022/23 calendars but nevermind that eh? Is there any chance we can push for our nations to send their U21s to Qatar in Novemeber (on what grounds could FIFA possibly evaluate whether countries are sending their best players?), and get a country like Germany to volunteer to organise a (cough) 'summer kickabout' in June 2022? Jumpers for goalposts! Edited September 25, 2012 by RobH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABYLON Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 They've made their bed. Now it's time to lie in it. This line perfectly reflects that "perfect" mess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 (edited) Ah, Platini is well ahead of you on that one. November/December are his proposed dates to avoid precisely that issue. Problem solved! Of course, it'll screw up the 2021/22 and 2022/23 calendars but nevermind that eh? Is there any chance we can push for our nations to send their U21s to Qatar in Novemeber (on what grounds could FIFA possibly evaluate whether countries are sending their best players?), and get a country like Germany to volunteer to organise a (cough) 'summer kickabout' in June 2022? Jumpers for goalposts! But then he's talking Nov-Dec 2021, no? Surely, NOT Nov-Dec 2022...because it could then go into Feb 2023 when indeed there would be NO Winter Olympic Games. Edited September 25, 2012 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 This is farcical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Yep, he voted for them. I don't think this is Platini undermining the stadium cooling technology. What he is doing though, is highlighting the fact that for the majority of the time players WON'T be in these stadiums but will be training in the Qatari heat. The same thing goes for fans who won't want to be outside either. Then he and his friends should've thought of these considerations back in December 2010 before they VOTED. Or should've cut the Qataris at the pass (just like the IOC) before their bid got any farther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABYLON Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 What's next? FIFA allowing players to wear burqa? LOL I can't stop laughing. I picture the players running with their burqas! The best football tickets ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger87 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 What's next? FIFA allowing players to wear burqa? LOL - But honestly, it would be a niqab -More common in the Persian Gulf-, because the burqa is more common in Afghanistan and Pakistan -Especially for the pashtun people-... The idea is the same Or be naked? (although I'm not totally against that proposal ^^ ) Maybe we won't see that at least inside the stadiums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Not many will go to Qatar...so many accommodations and airfares will be had for a bargain at the last minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Not many will go to Qatar...so many accommodations and airfares will be had for a bargain at the last minute. That's pretty much the reason I went to Athens in 2004. I got great tickets to marquee events (best quality OC, gymnastics finals, swimming finals, diving finals -- as well as some non-marquee events -- judo, badminton, archery, fencing, kayaking) and I got them LESS THAN 3 MONTHS BEFORE THE GAMES BEGAN. All because the world was convinced the Greeks wouldn't be finished on time and terrorists would blow them sky high. I'm so glad I did it. Maybe I should think about Qatar in 2022...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 That's pretty much the reason I went to Athens in 2004. I got great tickets to marquee events (best quality OC, gymnastics finals, swimming finals, diving finals -- as well as some non-marquee events -- judo, badminton, archery, fencing, kayaking) and I got them LESS THAN 3 MONTHS BEFORE THE GAMES BEGAN. All because the world was convinced the Greeks wouldn't be finished on time and terrorists would blow them sky high. I'm so glad I did it. Maybe I should think about Qatar in 2022...... Don't do it! Save your money for 2026 when the WC likely will be on home soil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) That's pretty much the reason I went to Athens in 2004. I got great tickets to marquee events (best quality OC, gymnastics finals, swimming finals, diving finals -- as well as some non-marquee events -- judo, badminton, archery, fencing, kayaking) and I got them LESS THAN 3 MONTHS BEFORE THE GAMES BEGAN. All because the world was convinced the Greeks wouldn't be finished on time and terrorists would blow them sky high. I'm so glad I did it. .... Well, u got what u paid for -- a bargain, cut-rate Olympics! Just kidding, AF!! Edited September 28, 2012 by baron-pierreIV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Qatar to start first World Cup stadium in 2013 Construction of Qatar's first stadium for the 2022 World Cup tournament will start next year, officials said on Monday. The Qatar 2022 Supreme Committee said the stadium will be developed in conjunction with Qatar Foundation at Education City. It added that five other stadiums are currently in the process of planning or tender. The overall "master schedule" for all stadium construction will be revealed "in due course after consultation with FIFA", a statement added. Tenders for project management and design consultant for the Al Wakrah Stadium have been issued and winners to be announced in November and December. The project management tender for the redevelopment of Al Rayyan Stadium has also been issued and will be awarded in the first quarter of 2013. The stadium details came as the Qatar 2022 Supreme Committee signed five stakeholder cooperation agreements with Qatar Rail, Ashghal, Kahramaa, Aspire Zone Foundation and Qatari Diar. All entities have responsibilities and projects that will play a key role in delivering the infrastructure required for the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Qatar 2022 Supreme Committee secretary general Hassan Al Thawadi said: "The signing of the stakeholder cooperation agreements with our local stakeholders is a symbol of the unity that exists in Qatar in relation to successfully delivering the Middle East's first FIFA World Cup. ... http://www.arabianbu...013-475572.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Talk about "legacy issues" in Qatar's case...More like "money is not an issue"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I hope they don't forget the "heaters" in the planning of the stadia since it can get pretty cold in the winter months when Platini wants to stage them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plusbrilliantsexploits Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 ...and blankets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 FIFA regulations could rule out a Qatar 2022 winter World Cup October 29 - The global clamour for the 2022 World Cup to be switched to the winter to avoid Qatar's stifling desert heat could be scuppered – by FIFA's own regulations. Ever since the tiny Gulf state's upset victory over four other candidates in an often heated bidding contest, pressure has grown to take the unprecedented step of staging the tournament in winter, disrupting European fixture schedules but dodging sweltering mid-summer temperatures. UEFA President Michel Platini is one of those leading the call for a November-December tournament but Qatar officials, who have continually faced unsubstantiated allegations of corruption, have repeatedly stated they would consider making the switch only if formally requested to do so by football's world governing body. insideworldfootball has learned, however, that any such move by FIFA could lead to a possible legal backlash from Qatar's beaten 2022 rivals including the United States, the pre-ballot favourites, and Australia, who received only one vote. The original bid registration tender documents, which ran to 66 pages and covered both the 2018 World Cup ballot, won emphatically by Russia, and the 2022 competition, expressly requested all bidding candidates to stage the tournament at the traditional time in June and/or July. The crucial paragraphs, seen by insideworldfootball, read as follows: "1.2 THE COMPETITIONS The following FIFA competitions will be the subject of the Bidding Process governed by this Bid Registration: 1.2.1 FIFA WORLD CUP The final competitions of the FIFA World Cup which are scheduled to take place as follows: • The 21st edition in June and/or July of 2018 and • The 22nd edition in June and/or July of 2022" Sources close to the bid process say any attempt to alter these conditions could result in a legal challenge by any of the four losing 2022 candidates, which could justifiably argue that they spent money, time and energy on their campaigns under the impression that they were bidding to host the World Cup in summer – and only in summer. Likewise, any bid to expand the tournament to include Qatar's neighbouring Gulf states – another proposal championed by Platini – could also face legal problems on the basis that any new joint hosts were not party to the original bidding criteria. One source close to the bidding procedure said: "In my opinion the only way the World Cup could be legally moved to November/December would be by declaring the previous vote null and void and reopening the bidding." That may partially explain why FIFA's recently appointed corruption buster, Michael Garcia, is reportedly considering reviewing Qatar's runaway 2022 victory to examine whether anything illegal or untoward took place during the contest. The losing 2022 bidders have long been privately at a loss to explain how Qatar, half the size of Wales and with no footballing pedigree, managed to convince a large majority of FIFA's top brass to vote for them in December 2010. Qatar, by the same token, has consistently refuted any suggestion of malpractice in the bidding procedure, insisting its campaign was completely clean and broke no rules. An emailed FIFA statement said: "The bidding agreement clearly stipulates that the final decision on the format and dates for both competitions is vested with the FIFA Organising Committee which may hear recommendations from the LOC. "The event periods stipulated for the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups are based on the traditional international match calendar. "As it stands today, the 2022 FIFA World Cup is planned to be staged in Qatar in June/July 2022. "Any potential change would have to be first requested by the competition organisers, i.e. Qatar, and then presented to the FIFA Executive Committee for analysis." http://www.insidewor...inter-world-cup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I don't see what the furor is. Platini wants to change the calendar but Qatar has fully stated that they intend to stage in the June-July period (regardless of how many sunstroke and dehydration victims there will be). The whole process is a total farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Yuck... Everything sucks arround the Qatari WC... I really doubt FIFA will change anything here and that they have stated there are no plans to move the tournament to winter months, which is reay harmful. But if they do it, please bring the WC to the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 New corruption claims levelled at Qatar 2022 World Cup bid November 18 -The bidding process for the 2022 World Cup burst into fresh controversy today after allegations by the Sunday Times newspaper that Qatar officials considered offering $1 million (£630,000/€785,000) to the son of Amos Adamu, a member of the FIFA Executive Committee that handed the tournament to the tiny Gulf state. Qatar, which was embroiled in unsubstantiated claims of corruption during its successful bid to stage the tournament, has consistently denied any suggestion of foul play accusing those who tried to undermine its bid of a smear campaign. But the Sunday Times, which published the original evidence in late 2010 that led to the suspensions of almost a third of FIFA's top brass - including Amos Adamu - claims it now has a new file that has been sent to FIFA who, in turn, has passed the information to Michael Garcia, appointed earlier this year as one of two independent chairmen of FIFA's revamped Ethics Committee. According to the newspaper, Samson Adamu was invited to sponsor a high-profile "African Legends" gala dinner during the 2010 World Cup finals in South Africa. The report quotes Qatar 2022 officials as having confirmed that discussions took place but insisting that they "later backed out of the deal after considering the 'relevant FIFA rules'". The paper said it had passed the file to FIFA and that a spokesman had confirmed the relevant information had been "immediately forwarded" to Garcia. "It will be for Michael Garcia to analyse the documents and decide on any potential next steps," said a spokesman. FIFA's decision to hold the 2018 and 2022 World Cup ballots at the same time was an unmitigated disaster and was partly responsible for the two-year reform process, initiated by FIFA President Sepp Blatter, that is expected to be approved at the FIFA Congress in May next year. Even before the Sunday Times revelations, Theo Zwanziger, the German member of the FIFA Executive Committee, suggested that Garcia examine issues arising from the 2018 and 2022 World Cup vote as part of any fresh investigation into the joint ballots. Qatar saw off competition from the United States, Australia, South Korea and Japan to win the right to stage the 2022 World Cup but FIFA have already decided that future hosts will be selected by the organisation's full 209 nation membership rather than by an elite few. World Cup bidders are banned from offering any incentives to voting FIFA members or their relatives. But in a strongly worded statement released to media organisations, including insidethegames, Qatar's 2022 supreme committee categorically denied they had done anything wrong, accusing the Sunday Times of being "malicious and reckless". "We refute absolutely the allegations," a statement said. "The article is presented in a manner that suggests an 'offer' was made to a certain individual by the Qatar 2022 Bid Committee. "The truth is that our Bid Committee, after careful consideration, opted not to sign any agreement with the individual concerned and had no part whatsoever in the 'African Legends Dinner' event, financially or otherwise. "It is correct that such a project was the subject of discussions, that preliminary communications were exchanged and that a draft agreement came into existence. "However, upon due consideration being given to all the circumstances of this particular case – and especially to the relevant FIFA rules relating to the obligations of bid committees – a decision was taken by the Qatar 2022 Bid Committee NOT to pursue any involvement in the African Legends Dinner. "No agreement was signed or otherwise concluded and absolutely no payments of any kind were made. "No member of the Bid Committee attended the aforementioned dinner. "All of the above was made unequivocally clear in writing to the Sunday Times before publication. "The way that the Sunday Times has acted today is both malicious and reckless in the extreme. "We have maintained close contact with FIFA on this matter and are confident that any documents received by FIFA from the Sunday Times will merely highlight the truth, as outlined above. "The Qatar 2022 Bid Committee operated to the highest standards of integrity during the bidding process for the 2018/2022 FIFA World Cups, strictly adhering to all FIFA rules and regulations for bidding nations." Insidethegames Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 When will FIFA grow a set and strip this country of the WC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 When will FIFA grow a set and strip this country of the WC? I don't see that happening. That would open up an even bigger can of worms than the original vote to give it to Qatar did. Plus, FIFA made their choice, they should live with the consequences of it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 2020/22 are going to be weird years. Platini is trying to push through his pan-Europe Euros which will be interesting to say the least, then two years later we've the delights of Doha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 2020/22 are going to be weird years. Platini is trying to push through his pan-Europe Euros which will be interesting to say the least, then two years later we've the delights of Doha. Well there is no viable bid at this point for 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Plus, FIFA made their choice, they should live with the consequences of it now. I totally agree. The best punishment is to force them to live with the consequences of their own actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Qatargate, doubts over Qatar 2022 linger More than two years after FIFA awarded the 2022 World Cup to Qatar, the controversy surrounding the decision still lingers. In a 15-page article published on Tuesday, the Paris magazine France Football examines "Qatargate" and examines whether FIFA should pull the tournament from Qatar. The accusations aren't exactly revelatory but they are numerous: -- The votes of African confederation president Issa Hayatou (Cameroon) and Jacques Anouma (Ivory Coast) were bought for $1.5 million apiece, then the whistle-blower, former Qatari bid employee Phaedra Al Majid, mysteriously retracted, saying she made everything up. -- Qatar "sponsored" the 2010 African confederation congress to the tune of $1.25 million to gain exclusive access to the four Africans on the FIFA executive committee. -- One of the four, Nigerian Amos Adamu, was suspended from the executive committee before the vote following revelations in a Sunday Times sting investigations. The Qataris have subsequently been accused of seeking to "sponsor" a pre-World Cup 2010 banquet to the tune of $1 million. Its organizer: Adamu's son. -- Then-French President Nicolas Sarkozy asked UEFA President Michel Platini, who was expected to support the USA, to vote for Qatar for geopolitical reasons. Sarkozy and Platini met with the Qatari crown prince Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani in 2010 to discuss Qatari investment in French soccer. (It has since bought Paris St. Germain and launched beIN Sport in France.) -- A Qatari representative offered to spend millions on pumping up ailing Argentine soccer to gain the vote of Argentine Julio Grondona. -- Middle Eastern holding companies bankrolled deals struck by since-disgraced Brazilian soccer boss Ricardo Teixeira. -- A sweetheart deal was struck with the Spanish federation to organize a friendly game in Qatar and "silence" Angel Maria Villar, who supposedly had a vote-swapping pact with Qatar to back Spain's 2018 World Cup bid with Portugal and was furious that in fact Russia won the 2018 contest easily. -- The Qatari sports agency Aspire spent millions on promoting youth sports in countries with members on FIFA's executive committee. Was this corruption or what France Football termed a collusion of interests? And does it matter? Interviewed by France Football, former FIFA executive Guido Tognoni (perhaps best remembered for pressing FIFA's case to oust the late U.S. Soccer president Werner Fricker in 1990) says deals of convenience have been the modus operandi within FIFA circles for decades and everything was organized like a "petit mafia." No one interviewed, though, thought the decision to award Qatar the 2022 World Cup would be overturned. Former New York Federal prosecutor Michael Garcia was last year appointed the chief prosecutor of FIFA's new independent, investigatory chamber, and only if he were to uncover a smoking gun would there be any chance of a serious move to overturn the vote taken in December 2010. The beneficiary of a move to overturn the 2022 award would, of course, be the United States, which lost Qatar, 14-8, in the final round of voting. But U.S. Soccer spokesperson Neil Buethe would not comment on "hypotheses" about a revote. Qatargate lingers in part because Qatar 2022 made no sense in the first place. How do you organize a World Cup in a country where the summer temperatures top 110 degrees? Qatar presented plans to air condition the dozen stadiums it plans to build, but Chuck Blazer, the U.S. representative on the executive committee, famously remarked, "I don't see how you can air-condition an entire country." Platini has pressed Qatar to hold the tournament in the winter. FIFA's position is that any request to switch the dates must come from the Qataris, who say they'll consider a switch if requested, meaning they are at a standoff. If the 2022 World Cup was switched to the winter, the international club calendar would need to be switched. Interviewed by France Football, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, the former German great who is now the chairman of Bayern Munich and president of the powerful lobby of European clubs, says he was favorable to the idea of a winter World Cup -- especially if it means the club season is switched from a fall-spring season to a spring-fall season, meaning leagues would play through the summer, and all national team action took place after the club season ended. Rummenigge suggested that a schedule change should not be viewed as a problem, but a chance to innovate for the general good. The USA might not get to organize the 2022 World Cup it coveted, but it might be vindicated in the battle over the soccer calendar it has fought for years. http://www.socceramerica.com/article/50138/qatargate-doubts-over-qatar-2022-linger.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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