Brisbane 2032 Venues/Stadiums Thread

[AustralianFan]

14 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Thanks for providing the smoking gun.

So that makes it okay then? The Queensland Government decided, so it must be the right decision because governments never make wrong decisions or waste money (especially money given to them by another layer of Government).

I have no quibbles with the Gabba - the Qld government is funding it, it is an important venue for the city, and Brisbane does deserve to get a nice legacy out of the games. Neither flatwater - as you’ve posted elsewhere on this thread, that just requires some temporary grandstands and upgrades and rowing IS a community sport - it will (as I’m sure it already does) get used by university and school rowing clubs and will serve the Qld community for many decades to come.

But whitewater is a different kettle of fish. It’s an expensive facility, highly specialised and is basically a competitive venue for a niche elite sport.

Honestly, how can one argue against the notion of saving significant costs, demonstrating a legacy use of existing Olympic venues, increasing nationwide participation in a significantly nationally-funded event, and highlighting sustainable practices in the organisation of a games. That the Qld govt unilaterally decided to do it against IOC advice (with the help of national funds) is a pretty weak justification. Is that going to be the answer for any concerns and issues over the next nine years - Queensland decided to do it that at, so it’s not up for debate?

I didn’t say it was not up for debate.

 

[Sir Rols]

25 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Sorry to startling you with this startling old news.

This Report has been out for 2 years now.

 

I know - what do you think I’d been referring to when I mentioned the Penrith option so many times.

[TorchbearerSydney]

This might sound funny, but I thought they might have attached the white-water stadium to one of the Gold Coast's Theme Parks, maybe Wet and Wild, as an added attraction....then the experienced and establish private company could maintain and manage the facility, visitors, logistics etc....and have a new asset.

[Sir Rols]

8 minutes ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

This might sound funny, but I thought they might have attached the white-water stadium to one of the Gold Coast's Theme Parks, maybe Wet and Wild, as an added attraction....then the experienced and establish private company could maintain and manage the facility, visitors, logistics etc....and have a new asset.

I’ve no idea how technically feasible that is. In the LA thread, there’s been mention of using some such theme park facility in Anaheim, but that’s the first I’ve heard of it. And if it was so easy, I’d imagine there’d be plenty of such facilities existing - Wet-n-Wild type waterparks are a dime a dozen across everywhere in the world. Surely someone would have done it if it made business sense.

I note that the Penrith centre offers access for the general public, but at $104 a run and you must be accompanied by a guide. So it’s hardly a mass-participation community thing.

[TorchbearerSydney]

Water parks have white water rides all over the world, and the Sydney one is used for 'fun' rafting experiences...so obviously very feasible.

 

 

 

[Sir Rols]

13 minutes ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Water parks have white water rides all over the world, and the Sydney one is used for 'fun' rafting experiences...so obviously very feasible.

 

 

 

As I said, at $104 a pop with a guide. Meanwhile, I’m not aware of any theme parks hosting world championship competitions. 

It’s can’;t be as simple as that, or it would be common.

The Gold Coast has two major waterparks - Wet-n-Wild and Whitewater World. If it was so easy and viable, why was neither ever approached about including a Canoe/Kayak slalom venue? Why has such a solution appear never to have actually ever been proposed?

The LA area is not exactly short of water theme parks or whitewater attractions. Why then are they considering staging their slalom events in Oklahoma?

Obviously, it can’t be that simple or commercially feasible.

Edited February 20, 2023 by Sir Rols

[AustralianFan]

As mentioned above, the Redlands City Council, the Queensland Government and professional emergency service providers have partnerships for future access for emergency and resilience training and education, including Swift Water Emergency and Rescue Training.

I should mention too the reigning Olympic and World Champion, Jess Fox, is a Queenslander and will have no doubt inspired more to take-up the sport right there in Brisbane.

Still in the of theme parks ‘thene’, the Birkdale Community Precinct Project incorporating the Whitewater Centre, has many attractions some of which are pay-to-use.

So, the Whitewater Centre at Redlands is already incorporated into a very large multi-attraction, pay-as-you-go Park. Not unlike a theme park, except this one is not operated by private enterprise.

This large project is going through the community consultation phase and there is a ‘no’ campaign from some locals who are against the whole project.

To recap, this is what is planned for this very large Precinct:

• Indigenous Cultural Hub
• Adventure Water Playground
• Community Plaza
• Communications Hub
• Conservation Hub
• Entertainment Hub - book tickets for shows or exhibits within the precinct
• Innovation Hub
• Willards Homestead
• WW2 Radio Centre
• Public Swimming Lagoon
• Zip-line
• Tree Top Walk
• Picnic and Family Areas
• Whitewater Centre 

 

[Sir Rols]

2 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

As mentioned above, the Redlands City Council, the Queensland Government and professional emergency service providers have partnerships for future access for emergency and resilience training and education, including Swift Water Emergency and Rescue Training.

I should mention too the reigning Olympic and World Champion, Jess Fox, is a Queenslander and will have no doubt inspired more to take-up the sport right there in Brisbane.

Still in the of theme parks ‘thene’, the Birkdale Community Precinct Project incorporating the Whitewater Centre, has many attractions some of which are pay-to-use.

So, the Whitewater Centre at Redlands is already incorporated into a very large multi-attraction, pay-as-you-go Park. Not unlike a theme park, except this one is not operated by private enterprise.

This large project is going through the community consultation phase and there is a ‘no’ campaign from some locals who are against the whole project.

To recap, this is what is planned for this very large Precinct:

 

• Indigenous Cultural Hub
• Adventure Water Playground
• Community Plaza
• Communications Hub
• Conservation Hub
• Entertainment Hub - book tickets for shows or exhibits within the precinct
• Innovation Hub
• Willards Homestead
• WW2 Radio Centre
• Public Swimming Lagoon
• Zip-line
• Tree Top Walk
• Picnic and Family Areas
• Whitewater Centre 

 

And to recap, theme park seems a stretch. It sounds (and looks from the renders) more like a very nice, staid, family and community-oriented picnic and leisure spot. The kind of area any local community would be lucky to have. I fail to see how a high performance competition venue fits in with it though.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Sir Rols

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, Sir Rols said:

And to recap, theme park seems a stretch. It sounds (and looks from the renders) more like a very nice, staid, family and community-oriented picnic and leisure spot. The kind of area any local community would be lucky to have. I fail to see how a high performance competition venue fits in with it though.

So all you saw from the list was “Picnic Area”?  That was second last on the list.

No-one has said a Whitewater Venue fits in with all the other attractions in the  precinct.

What Redland City Council did say it was incorporated into the precinct. 

My money is on the entire Birkdale Community Precinct going ahead including the Whitewater Venue, the Concert and Exhibition facilities, the Indigenous Cultural Hub, Public Swimming Lagoon adjacent to the Whitewater venue, Adventure area, Tree-Top Walk, Innovation Hub, Conservation Hub, Communications Hub, Picnic Areas, Community Plaza, Resaurant/Cafe, Eateries,

connected by the new Busway and the planned duplication of the train line.

[Sir Rols]

12 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

So all you saw from the list was “Picnic Area”?  That was second last on the list.

 

I said community and family oriented picnic and LEISURE centre. Judging by the descriptions and the renders you posted on the previous page, how else do you describe it? It appears a very big parkland area with a few very staid attractions scattered through - a zip line, tree-top walkway and a play lagoon do not make it a theme park.

why are you so precious about it?

[AustralianFan]

So, reviewing the IOC Feasibility Assessment - Olympic Games Brisbane - Feb 2021, the green ticks  below indicate the venues that the Brisbane 2032 Team ultimately went with.

The red crosses are the IOC notes (“consider this”) that the Brisbane Team decided not to go with.

Six months later, Brisbane were awarded the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

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[Sir Rols]

Why do you keep finding the need to repost that. It doesn’t make every decision made justified, or the “best” decision. And repetition doesn’t increase it’s worth. It hasn’t convinced me that Redlands is irresponsible and a waste.

And what’s your problem with suggesting that another alternative to Redlands could be cheaper, deliver legacy benefits, avoid the risk of white elephants, and demonstrate great sustainability goals?

[AustralianFan]

1 hour ago, Sir Rols said:

And what’s your problem with suggesting that another alternative to Redlands could be cheaper, deliver legacy benefits, avoid the risk of white elephants, and demonstrate great sustainability goals?

You’re only two years late.  The IOC did just that 2 years ago.

I literally just spent several posts telling you the IOC’s note to Brisbane to consider using the existing Sydney venue was not taken up by Brisbane 203.

If you want to flog a dead horse, go right ahead.  But Brisbane have the Games and they are on course to build the Redlands Whitewater Centre within the large Birkdale Community Precinct.

 

is going ahead and will be a new venue 

[AustralianFan]

New Breakfast Creek Sports Precinct - old Albion Raceway to be moved

BRISBANE INDOOR SPORTS CENTRE

Basketball

• Games capacity: 15,000
• the new venue will continue as a community sports centre after the Games
• will host the Olympic Basketball tournamen
• Under the plan, the old Albion Raceway would be shifted to another location and a new six-star Brisbane Indoor Sports Centre constructed
• The centre will host the Olympic and Paralympic basketball events, and incorporate netball, volleyball, goalball and badminton facilities as well as dedicated para-sports facilities and six external 3×3 basketball courts.

Credit: New Breakfast Creek Sports Precinct Proposed for Brisbane 2032 Olympics - Brisbane Development.com

[cfm Jeremie]

1 hour ago, AustralianFan said:

You’re only two years late.  The IOC did just that 2 years ago.

I literally just spent several posts telling you the IOC’s note to Brisbane to consider using the existing Sydney venue was not taken up by Brisbane 203.

If you want to flog a dead horse, go right ahead.  But Brisbane have the Games and they are on course to build the Redlands Whitewater Centre within the large Birkdale Community Precinct.

 

is going ahead and will be a new venue 

With more than 9 years to the Games, there is still plenty of time for plan to be adjusted...

[AustralianFan]

Infrastructure agreement for Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games - 20 Feb 2023

Australian Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development , Communications and the Arts:

“With the eyes of the world on Brisbane, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk are delivering the important infrastructure that will be at the heart of the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games and leave an enduring Games legacy.”

 

Brisbane Arena 

1. New 17,000 seat CBD indoor entertainment venue

2. Proposed Roma St location to be serviced by new Cross River Rail Brisbane Underground and existing train and bus services; and will be close to Suncorp Stadium

3. Hosts 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Swimming and Water Polo

4. Construction planned to start 2027. Completion 2030.

Additional Venues

1. Upgrade 9 existing venues:

1. Wyaralong Flatwater Centre and Precinct – Rowing
2. Sunshine Coast Stadium – Football
3. Brisbane Aquatic Centre and Precinct – Aquatics (including diving, artistic swimming and water polo preliminaries)
4. Barlow Park (Cairns) – Football
5. Toowoomba Sports Ground – Football
6. Brisbane International Shooting Centre – Shooting
7. Sunshine Coast Mountain Bike Centre – Mountain Biking
8. Anna Meares Velodrome and BMX Track – Track, BMX Racing
9. Queensland Tennis Centre – Tennis

2. Construction of 5 new venues:

1. Breakfast Creek (Brisbane) Indoor Sports Centre – Basketball and Wheelchair Basketball
2. Chandler Indoor Sports Centre – Gymnastics and Wheelchair Basketball
3. Sunshine Coast Indoor Sports Centre – Basketball
4. Moreton Bay Indoor Sports Centre – Boxing
5. Redlands Whitewater Centre – Canoe

3. Temporary International Broadcasting Centre

4. Logan Indoor Sports Centre as a potential training or competition venue

5. Minor upgrades to existing competition and training venues.

[AustralianFan]

37 minutes ago, cfm Jeremie said:

With more than 9 years to the Games, there is still plenty of time for plan to be adjusted...

Highly unlikely.  That ship has well and truly sailed.  

• 21 July 2021: Games Awarded to Brisbane with Whitewater Centre to be built in Redlands
• 23 June 2022: Redlands City Council Budget passed in anticipation of construction commencing
• 17 August 2022: Strong support found from community consultation period for BCP by Redlands City Council: Your Say: Birkdale Community Precinct - community consultations incorporating Redlands Whitewater Centre
• 20 February 2023:  Australian Government Funding contribution confirmed for construction of Redlands Whitewater Centre incorporated in Birkdale Community Precinct.  

[AustralianFan]

6 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Highly unlikely.  That ship has well and truly sailed.  

• 21 July 2021: Games Awarded to Brisbane with Whitewater Centre to be built in Redlands
• 23 June 2022: Redlands City Council Budget passed in anticipation of construction commencing
• 17 August 2022: Strong support found from community consultation period for BCP by Redlands City Council: Your Say: Birkdale Community Precinct - community consultations incorporating Redlands Whitewater Centre
• 20 February 2023:  Australian Government Funding contribution confirmed for construction of Redlands Whitewater Centre incorporated in Birkdale Community Precinct.  

Here is a more comprehensive video explaining how the Birkdale Community Precinct is about to come to life from community consultations and confirmed local, state and federal givernment funding because of the Brisbane 2032 Redlands Whitewater Centre:

Next step:  build it.

[FYI]

4 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Highly unlikely.  That ship has well and truly sailed.  

Why, cause you said so & then pinpoint to the timeline for the umpteeth time (whenever someone questions anything about the 2032 Games)?

There's been plenty of previous host cities that have changed their plans in the lead-up to the Games. As a matter of fact, it's almost expected that things change with so many years to go for when the actual Games take place. And before you say "well that was their problem", no Games plan is ever perfect from the start. Things always get tweaked/modified along the way.

And in Brisbane's case, it should be even more expected, because they are only the second city to have received an 11-year lead-up time to the Games (besides L.A. 2028). So still being nine years out 'til the 2032 Games is hardly what can be called "that ship has well & truly sailed". If it were like two or three years out, where construction has already started, then that's a different story altogether. But still being this far out & if the true goal is really about "sustainability", as the "new norm" always gets SOLD as, then there's still PLENTY of time to tweak any 2032 Games' plans.

[AustralianFan]

5 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Here is a more comprehensive video explaining how the Birkdale Community Precinct is about to come to life from community consultations and confirmed local, state and federal givernment funding because of the Brisbane 2032 Redlands Whitewater Centre:

Next step:  build it.

Redland Whitewater Venue within the Birkdale Community Precinct:

Public Transport Connections

Click here for Eastern Metro Study to investigate taking Brisbane Metro to nearby Capalaba

 

[Sir Rols]

10 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

You’re only two years late.  The IOC did just that 2 years ago.

I literally just spent several posts telling you the IOC’s note to Brisbane to consider using the existing Sydney venue was not taken up by Brisbane 203.

If you want to flog a dead horse, go right ahead.  But Brisbane have the Games and they are on course to build the Redlands Whitewater Centre within the large Birkdale Community Precinct.

 

is going ahead and will be a new venue 

Forgive me, I thought this was a discussion forum. Are you seriously suggesting that any discussion of the pros and cons of any of Brisbane’s venues, in a thread created to discuss Brisbane’s venues, is redundant? What’s the point of such a thread then? Just to gush over infographics of the venues, keep reposting those infographics, then quote your own posts of those infographics to add more reposted points?

The irony is, as soon as any tweaks are made to the “set in stone” venues plan (which is highly likely, as in any games plan), you’re going to be the first to run on here and gush on what a brilliant move that was.

Sigh… we’re going to have to put up with nine years of this hyper-defensive gatekeeping trolling. At least we’ve established that your devotion to the ideals of the “New Norm” only extends as far as it doesn’t conflict with the pristine reputation of Brisbane’s perfect plans.

 

[AustralianFan]

25 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Forgive me, I thought this was a discussion forum. Are you seriously suggesting that any discussion of the pros and cons of any of Brisbane’s venues, in a thread created to discuss Brisbane’s venues, is redundant? What’s the point of such a thread then? Just to gush over infographics of the venues, keep reposting those infographics, then quote your own posts of those infographics to add more reposted points?

The irony is, as soon as any tweaks are made to the “set in stone” venues plan (which is highly likely, as in any games plan), you’re going to be the first to run on here and gush on what a brilliant move that was.

Sigh… we’re going to have to put up with nine years of this hyper-defensive gatekeeping trolling. At least we’ve established that your devotion to the ideals of the “New Norm” only extends as far as it doesn’t conflict with the pristine reputation of Brisbane’s perfect plans.

 

Sorry, Stage 1 of construction of the large precinct containing the Redlands Whitewater venue had been given the tick of approval starting with the Willard’s Homestead restoration.

Strong community support too from the locals.  Funding secured from all three levels of government.

 It’s a done deal.

If you want to discuss an alternative venue, go right ahead, no-one’s stopping you.

In the meantime, Stage 1 of the large Birkdale Community Precinct Project incorporating the Whitewater Venue is going full steam ahead,

including transport connections discussions such as Brisbane Metro extension to Capalaba CBD and duplication of rail line.

 

[Sir Rols]

Yes, it’s important that you keep reposting that a homestead upgrade has been approved. Wouldn’t want to let any negative opinions take attention away from PR postings.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Sir Rols

[AustralianFan]

2 hours ago, Sir Rols said:

Yes, it’s important that you keep reposting that a homestead upgrade has been approved. Wouldn’t want to let any negative opinions take attention away from PR postings.

Yes, correct. That is Stage 1.  The Whitewater Venue construction timeline will be released I imagine with further updates by Redland City Council.

[Sir Rols]

10 minutes ago, AustralianFan said:

Yes, correct. That is Stage 1.  The Whitewater Venue construction timeline will be released I imagine with further updates by Redland City Council.

Yes, you’ve now pointed that out repeatedly. Still doesn’t invalidate criticisms of the overall plan, or suggestions it could have been done better.