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Moreton Bay Indoor Sports Centre

  • Boxing
  • new legacy venue for basketball
  • games capacity:  7,000
  • construction: between 2025 and 2027 at “The Mill”
  • 32 kms north of Athletes Village at Hamilton, north shore

Even with the sports governance issues currently and the IOC taking over the Paris 2024 Boxing qualification tournaments from the defiant IBA, I think by 2032, boxing will still be an Olympic sport and so this  basketball legacy venue at the 2032 Games will shine.

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Ballymore Stadium

  • Hockey
  • existing, currently a rugby groundthe and to be upgraded with a drop-in hockey pitch for the 2032 Games
  • games capacity:  10,000
  • 9.4 kms west of Athletes Village at North Shore, Hamilton

How the QRU plans to convert Ballymore to an Olympic hockey stadium - 4 Nov 2022 - Brisbane Times

  • “Like most stadiums, Ballymore, the spiritual home of Queensland rugby, has a lush, green grass surface. It can be pounded by studded rugby boots and almost repair itself.”
  • “So just how did Brisbane Olympic organisers expect the Herston stadium to host Olympic hockey, which is played on a synthetic blue surface that is expected to be smooth?”

Queensland hockey officials question Ballymore push for 2032 - 25 Feb 2023 - Brisbane Times

  • “Two of Queensland’s long-serving hockey administrators say few people in Queensland Hockey understand why Queensland’s State Hockey Centre is being bypassed for the Olympics and Paralympics in 2032.“

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Redlands Canoe Slalom Venue

«Already in this part of the world we have three former canoe slalom Olympic venues, plus several first-class courses in countries like New Zealand and Thailand.»

"Redlands will slot neatly into this group, strengthening the claims of the Asia Pacific to be a global centre for our sport.”

"The exceptional Queensland climate will make Redlands very attractive as a training and competition venue, both before and after Brisbane 2032."

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Victorian said:

Official announcement today for Browne Park’s stadium redevelopment. The Rockhampton venue will host soccer matches at Brisbane 2032.

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/97270

 

Rockhampton is not hosting any competition events at Brisbane 2032 but these upgrades are to enable the venue to be up to standard as a training venue for the Games and to possibly host NRL matches too:

This project also has enormous potential to put Rockhampton on the global map for international team training on the runway to the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.”

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23 hours ago, Victorian said:

Official announcement today for Browne Park’s stadium redevelopment. The Rockhampton venue will host soccer matches at Brisbane 2032.

https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/97270

 

 

6 hours ago, AustralianFan said:

Rockhampton is not hosting any competition events at Brisbane 2032 but these upgrades are to enable the venue to be up to standard as a training venue for the Games and to possibly host NRL matches too:

This project also has enormous potential to put Rockhampton on the global map for international team training on the runway to the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.”

These upgraded Olympic  training venues dotted around the state will be great for local economies and businesses such as Rockhampton 

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On 2/28/2023 at 6:35 AM, AustralianFan said:

 

Ballymore Stadium

  • Hockey
  • existing, currently a rugby groundthe and to be upgraded with a drop-in hockey pitch for the 2032 Games
  • games capacity:  10,000
  • 9.4 kms west of Athletes Village at North Shore, Hamilton

How the QRU plans to convert Ballymore to an Olympic hockey stadium - 4 Nov 2022 - Brisbane Times

  • “Like most stadiums, Ballymore, the spiritual home of Queensland rugby, has a lush, green grass surface. It can be pounded by studded rugby boots and almost repair itself.”
  • “So just how did Brisbane Olympic organisers expect the Herston stadium to host Olympic hockey, which is played on a synthetic blue surface that is expected to be smooth?”

Queensland hockey officials question Ballymore push for 2032 - 25 Feb 2023 - Brisbane Times

  • “Two of Queensland’s long-serving hockey administrators say few people in Queensland Hockey understand why Queensland’s State Hockey Centre is being bypassed for the Olympics and Paralympics in 2032.“

FalyazT.jpgCredit: Ausstadiums.com

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Update on Ballymore - Hockey Venue

The Eastern Stand (4,670) found fo be unsafe. Temporary grandstands to be used to bring capacity up to 10,000 for the Games.

 

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On 2/25/2023 at 4:47 PM, Sir Rols said:

Do you remember the old member here @Guardian? He used to take on that news posting role for the site. And interesting and generally relevant stuff, not reposting every boring and pointless tweet that came up on his Twitter feed. And he did it without an attitude or agenda - he was almost always mostly cheerful and gracious. I miss him. Much of that “news” posting now is more akin to TonyELovesArchitecture (I’m not going to @ him in  case it reawakens him) than anything useful to drive activity and discussion.

Yes, I do. But vaguely since it's been so long. Although, there's other (former, good) members that I do remember more vividly that I wish were still here. But so many of them have given up on these boards over the years. And now unfortunately we're stuck with ones like "incessant news feeder" & "we shall see". Oh well.

On 2/25/2023 at 5:30 PM, Sir Rols said:

You mean old Ruffy? LOL, yeah! Got what he deserved.

Yes, that's exactly who I mean, lol. You-know-who reminds me so much of them, with their whole trying to "control the conversation" obsession, & then getting all nasty when they can't 'control' it anylonger. 

On 2/25/2023 at 5:30 PM, Sir Rols said:

At the end of the day, surely this board, and the Olympics in general, are better served by critical analysis of all aspects of the games, not just blind cheerleading and in-your-face nationalism.

Indeed.

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(continuing a review of Brisbane 2032 venues)

Gold Coast Convention and Exhibition Centre

Weightlifting, Volleyball (preliminaries), Powerlifting, Sitting Volleyball

Games time capacity:  6,000

This venue really shone during the 2018 Commonwealth Games as a venue for basketball and netball.  It’s annexcellent venue and is set to shine again in the world stage at the Brisbane 2032 Olympics and Paralympics.

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With light rail nearby as well, it is located 8 kms by road south-east of the 2032 Athletes Village at Robina.

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“Chris Isles, the Council's major projects general manager, expects that the whitewater venue will make profit or break-even.”

"A lot of commentary has been made in the public around a handful of them [Olympic whitewater venues] that have closed," he said.”

"Those were built as stand-alone venues in the middle of an Olympic park or the middle of nowhere with no other compelling reason to bring people to those precincts."

 

 

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On 3/18/2023 at 1:36 PM, AustralianFan said:

“Chris Isles, the Council's major projects general manager, expects that the whitewater venue will make profit or break-even.”

"A lot of commentary has been made in the public around a handful of them [Olympic whitewater venues] that have closed," he said.”

"Those were built as stand-alone venues in the middle of an Olympic park or the middle of nowhere with no other compelling reason to bring people to those precincts."

 

 

So Chris Isles says without citing any financial figures that the whitewater canoe venue which Brisbane does not need will ill make money or break even. Thank goodness he's not running city planning projects in my city or else he'd be voted out or fired. He also is complete wrong when he says the slalom canoe venues that failed were stand alone venues.  Beijing and Rio were part of multi sport parks and still failed as did Athens. Los Angeles on the other hand has recognized that a new whitewater course on the west coast is a questionable investment and id now looking at an existing course in OKC. Sydney's not that far and would be a far more cost to effective option for Brisbane. The 9nly way building a second whitewater course in Brisbane makes sense is if there are plans to close the one in Sydney and make the new one a national training center.  But hey, it's there money. 

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18 minutes ago, stryker said:

So Chris Isles says without citing any financial figures that the whitewater canoe venue which Brisbane does not need will ill make money or break even. Thank goodness he's not running city planning projects in my city or else he'd be voted out or fired. He also is complete wrong when he says the slalom canoe venues that failed were stand alone venues.  Beijing and Rio were part of multi sport parks and still failed as did Athens. Los Angeles on the other hand has recognized that a new whitewater course on the west coast is a questionable investment and id now looking at an existing course in OKC. Sydney's not that far and would be a far more cost to effective option for Brisbane. The 9nly way building a second whitewater course in Brisbane makes sense is if there are plans to close the one in Sydney and make the new one a national training center.  But hey, it's there money. 

Ah, but you need to realise that a community heritage park/picnic area is the missing ingredient :P

Meanwhile, Swimming Australia is the latest to want to get it’s fingers in the pork barrel of the “frugal, cheap, sustainable” games:

Swimming Australia holding "national home of swimming" talks for Brisbane 2032

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5 minutes ago, Sir Rols said:

Ah, but you need to realise that a community heritage park/picnic area is the missing ingredient :P

Meanwhile, Swimming Australia is the latest to want to get it’s fingers in the pork barrel of the “frugal, cheap, sustainable” games:

Swimming Australia holding "national home of swimming" talks for Brisbane 2032

There's a laundry list of former Olympic venues that became white elephants that fell victim to the "community center/heritage" argument. And why not? That line of thinking makes it harder to oppose their construction. Now as for swimming, it would be absolutely ridiculous to build another aquatic center on par with what Sydney had in Brisbane. Los Angeles and Paris are both using existing venues and adapting them for aquatics. Same thing is being done for upcoming world championships (Fukuoka is using their convention center while Doha is using the Aspire Dome. Kazan hosted at their football stadium a few years ago pre-Covid). The Brisbane organizers are doing the right thing with using an existing arena fitted with a temporary pool. If Swimming Australia wants Brisbane to be the new national home of swimming, the upgraded Brisbane Aquatic Centre would more than fit the bill as the last sentence in that article states.

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2 minutes ago, stryker said:

The Brisbane organizers are doing the right thing with using an existing arena fitted with a temporary pool. If Swimming Australia wants Brisbane to be the new national home of swimming, the upgraded Brisbane Aquatic Centre would more than fit the bill as the last sentence in that article states.

It’s not actually an existing venue, but a new, centralised entertainment venue that will be fitted with a temporary pool for the games. I’ve got no quibble with that - Brisbane can do with a good, centre-centre entertainment arena, and swimming is one event for Oz where we really do want to maximise our spectator seating. Outside the games, though, we really don’t have much call for high capacity seating for aquatic centres. And it’s not like we are short of modern, state-of-the-art aquatic centres - SE Queensland itself is already a major hub for high performance swimming and training. Swimming Australia is basically on the hunt to make the games pay for their personal latest vanity wish-list.

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The new Ballymore redevelopment announced yesterday will be great. There is another field with grandstand which would no doubt host Hockey matches at the Games. The redevelopment plan also includes a Sports Climbing facility which could be used if Sports Climbing is part of the 2032 program.

7 hours ago, TorchbearerSydney said:

Brisbane is really powering ahead with venues....like a reverse Athens or Rio!

The venues completed so far (Brighton Homes Arena and Ballymore - almost finished, Redlands whitewater) were in the works before Brisbane won the Games. The Gabba always needed to be rebuilt as Brisbane is missing out to major marquee matches to new stadiums in Perth and Adelaide etc. Brisbane Live Arena has been talked about for a long time but I believe winning the Games has pushed that project from a big idea to a reality. Sunshine Coast Stadium's redevelopment same thing as well.

Brisbane is getting ready now so it can make 2032 a wonderful event. Victoria host the Games in less than 3 years and there is still lots and lots of infrastructure work to be planned and completed. It will be a race to the finish for the CWG 2026 but Brisbane should have most of the facilities ready by the end of this decade then can have a flurry of test events like Sydney had in the late 1990s hosting major sports championships and events.

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"Did you see what Rio and Athens did in their first year after being rewarded the Games (comparing like to like)? They definitely were not completing venues like Brisbane is already doing". 

But it really isn't a "like-to-like". Extra lead-time is STILL extra-lead time. And sure, Athens & Rio squandered away the first couple of years of their preps, but that had more to do because they bit off more than they can chew, rather than just being behind (those extra four years would've came in very handy in both their cases, though).

Rio was still too busy prepping for the 2014 World Cup, to immediately focus their attention on the 2016 Olympics. And Athens also had the unfortunate timing of being the first Summer Olympics post 9/11 with overhauled security protocols.

Comparing those two with a more developed nation with only one major project, that indeed has more lead-time, is quite disingenuous. It's more 'like' when you're almost finished with a big project, & then your boss comes in & piles on another bigger project, with a tight deadline, before you've even finished the first one, much to anyone's chagrin. 

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If you have a small economy like Greece it is even more important to amortise and plan your building schedule and expenses over the full 7 year period- or else you will hit capacity and funding restraints and that is what happened. A bigger city/country can escalate at the last minute much more efficiently.

No need to make excuses for poor planning.

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