Alexjc Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 Still eight years from the final vote but many have suggested that the 32nd Olympics will have a flood of bidding cities. The front runners, I believe would be - Cape Town, South Africa - the early planning that has begun holds this city in good steed and likley winner. Toronto, Canada - could be tripped by a successful 2016 bid from the USA, but a strong contender anyway, would chase Cape Town all the way. Amsterdam, Netherlands - backing from Belgium or Germany would help. Rio, Brazil - because theyd've missed out on '16. Would also be running to the very end. Minnieaplois, USA - if only USA missing out on '12 or '16 Manchester, UK - a replacement for London missing eight years before. Istanbul, Turkey - this just may be the year Turkey has waited for, could have a strong fight against Cape Town though. Others that could front, Nairobi, Kenya - a first time bidder, and fail. Bangkok, Thailand - possible. Melbourne, Australia - doubt it, second time, would be nice Madrid, Spain - would show up because Paris won '12 and the IOC favored another continent for '16. Mexico City, Mexico - still in the bidding Havana, Cuba - a serious bid after the death of Castro and new country will emerge and would want to prove itself. A few more in there as well. These are my thoughts, what are yours? ???
Aronious Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 Possible Bids -Cape Town -Rio -Osaka -Toronto -Rotterdam -Manchester -Istanbul (again, sigh) -Lisbon -Bangkok -Dehli -Minnieapolis -San Francisco -Chicago -St Peters -Germany (I would like to see Dusseldorf/Koln) -Warsaw -Belgrade -British Isles About your possibility Part Nairobi- Not in 2020, no Bangkok- Listed above Melbourne- No. to early Madrid- Probably not, even if 2012 fails Mexico City- Should bid but will lose Havana- Like Nairobi, to ealry
stijnh Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 Amsterdam, Netherlands - backing from Belgium or Germany would help. Why would Belgium back up Amsterdam. If the 2012 Olympics go to Europe, then in 2020 Brussels candidate for it's own. Then is it also 100 years since the first and only games in Antwerp 1920. But other choises are: -Istanbul, Turkey -maybe an South-American city: Rio De Janeiro or Santioago.. -Cape Town, South-Africa -Bahrein, Kuweit, or maybe Soadi-Arabia; they have much money for the organisation -Auckland -San Francisco or Chicago
baron-pierreIV Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 God, it's way, way, too early to tell. Anything can happen between now and then. But if 2012 and 2016 are divi'ed up between North America and Europe, then perhaps 2020 will either go to a Brazil or to South Africa -- I mean it looks like it's time to bring it south of the equator again.
I Love Minneapolis Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 Oooooh, I like these kind of topics... I would say some strong candidates for 2020 will be: Rio de Janeiro, BRA- IMO, strongest S. American candidate, has bid experince from 2012 and 2016 if they bid. World Cup 2014 will have been 6 years prior and Brazil will have held the WC and the PanAm games, both in Rio. Rio can also use its new/upgraded facilities from WC to boost bid in 2020. Cape Town, SAF- Probably only African candidate now, at least besides Jo-burg, but I think the SAF OC will choose Cape Town. Will really be determined to get games. Istanbul, TUR- I think I heard they are not bidding for 2016, which may be a good choice, if Europe wins 2012 or even 2016, they could still put in a bid in 2020, they are the farthest city away from the rest, (Paris, London, Italy, Germany) and Athens will have been 16 years ago. Prague, CZE- The Czech Republic has shown interest in bidding in 2020 and will likely do so if western Europe wins 2012. Has work to do, but one of the strongest candidates, IMO. Melbourne, AUS- The aussies will want another games, and who would blame them after Sydney '00, Melbourne would be a strong candidate and would probably have backing of many countries. Chicago, USA- Thank you to those who included Minneapolis, and while I would wish it so, I think Chicago would be a better bid if the USA wants to get the games in 2020. Maybe MSP can bid later on, but Chicago has the name, the infastructure, the money, and most of the facilities. Dubai, UAE- Possibly our first Middle Eastern bidder, I think so, it has the money and the royal family could basically build whatever they want. Also not as risky as Riyadh, Damascus or any othe ME city. There are many more and like Baron said, it is way to early to tell, but I think these cities would have the best chance assuming they dont win in 2016. If for some reason NYC wins 2012 and then like Thailand wins 2016, then a whole slew of European cities would jump forward, Brussles, Amsterdam, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, London, Stockholm, Russia, Denmark?)
Sir Rols Posted January 15, 2005 Report Posted January 15, 2005 Of course it's far too early, but since when did that stop anyone on GamesBids. All I'll predict is that with 2012 and 2016 likely to be shared between Europe and the Americas, 2020 is probably the best chance for a "New Frontiers" host from either Africa or Asia (assuming Rio doesn't beat them to it in 2016 _ the IOC won't put two "new fronitiers" n a row). My guess _ Capetown as slight favourite over Bangkok.
Aronious Posted January 16, 2005 Report Posted January 16, 2005 Dubai, UAE- Possibly our first Middle Eastern bidder, I think so, it has the money and the royal family could basically build whatever they want. Also not as risky as Riyadh, Damascus or any othe ME city. I like the sounds of Dubai (even though it has just about no venues completed).. The Middle East could make a great host.. Riyadh would probably be a better choice, though I don’t think security in the Saudi area could be justified.
Guest ryan04 Posted January 16, 2005 Report Posted January 16, 2005 i dought the IOC will have a Middle East Games for some time, not till there is peace seeing that is what the IOC likes
Alexjc Posted January 16, 2005 Report Posted January 16, 2005 It's always fun to predict the future, and some good candidates are evident so far, to cap a few - Dubai, UAE - yes a future host but only because of it's stable governance, having visited the city, I can tell you that it is growing at a phenominal rate. It now has two airlines that operate ultra modern fleets, the only seven star hotel, F1 track, and building aspectacular seaside resort. Only problem is the region they're in. Prague, CezRep - beutifull city, would bid if it failed in '16. St Petersburg, Russia - being 2020, this city would be a symbolic choice for, hopfully a post Putian booming Russia, has far more glamour than Moscow. Various American citys will always front up to the USOC for bidding rights, however I believe only one can be endorsed ?? :help:
Mikel Posted January 16, 2005 Report Posted January 16, 2005 Damascus, Jerusalem, Beirut, Dubai... all these cities of the Midwest can bid... but the islamist terrorism can be a problem...
Alexjc Posted January 16, 2005 Report Posted January 16, 2005 Damascus, Jerusalem, Beirut, Dubai... all these cities of the Midwest can bid... but the islamist terrorism can be a problem... :sniffle: Yeah, sad but true :verysad:
I Love Minneapolis Posted January 16, 2005 Report Posted January 16, 2005 Yes, but like I said, Dubai and the UAE has usually held a stable economy and a stable role as mediator in the Middle East. If there is one country in the ME that could probably host without terrorism probelms it would be the UAE.
amorincognito Posted January 17, 2005 Report Posted January 17, 2005 All these cities then need to get cracking for 2016, since some of these mentioned have no bidding experience, let alone a spot on the shortlist. It just seems like 2020 is going to be the year that the floodgates open; 2016 is going to see a lot of repeats and hopefully some newbies for practice runs. It's just too early to tell. Cape Town - if their sequence of getting the Commonwealth Games works for 2014, it could work, but it would still be the year after the vote. but it seems like Rogge in particular wants to see the Games in Africa, and there could be a lot of momentum building. Rio de Janeiro - the 2014 World Cup shouldn't affect a wait-and-see approach from the IOC, and would probably open up marketing opportunities and possibly drumming up more funds for infrastructure improvements. but, there's still a long way to go and I'm still waiting for a better concept, or else we'll see the flame in Santiago or Buenos Aires.... Kuala Lumpur - I was a bit disappointed for the 2008 showing and I'm ready for a 2016 bid; if I'm not wrong the goal is 2020 but a practice run would be great. To me, it's the only Asian city that could have a crack at 2020; most else is still not yet developed enough or too close to Beijing and PyeongChang. Prague - Eastern Europe will probably have to wait a bit longer, but a Prague bid for 2020 could be very strong if Europe doesn't get 2016. Maybe some Mediterranean bids could join, Lisbon, Madrid, Istanbul, or Rome....but I just don't see it. yeah I really can't think of a fifth city that would catch my interest....I'll leave that spot for a surprise.
Alexjc Posted January 17, 2005 Report Posted January 17, 2005 Kuala Lumpur - I was a bit disappointed for the 2008 showing and I'm ready for a 2016 bid; if I'm not wrong the goal is 2020 but a practice run would be great. Kuala Lumpa's 2020 olympic bid is part of Malaysia's 20/20 vision plan to become a first world nation. This plan was unveiled in spectacular fashion at the opening of the 1998 Commonwealth Games. I believe the Malaysian Government, a near dictatorship, will find it difficult to get support because of it's aggressive stance towards it's neighbours. It (the government) cannot handle criticisim of it's human rights records and rampant corruption, just like Indonesia. They could bid but I doubt if thier bribary attempts would bare fruit.
baron-pierreIV Posted January 17, 2005 Report Posted January 17, 2005 Riyadh would probably be a better choice, though I don’t think security in the Saudi area could be justified. Yeah, except the Riyadh Olympic Organizing Committee would require (1) all atheltes to become Moslems; or (2) all heathen women athletes to parade and participate in their respective sports (even gymanstics and synchronized swimming) in burkhas; (3) for those who do not want to convert to Islam, will be given a choice of bullet-proof or suicide-bombers proof body-armor; (4) have all venues face Mecca; and (5) all events would stop 3x a day in order that everyone bend down (in the prostate, missionary position) for prayer, Moslem or not. Yes, definitely an Olympics Games in Riyadh would be very universal. :shocked:
Sir Rols Posted January 17, 2005 Report Posted January 17, 2005 What about Budapest? :oh: Yes, what about it? I know Prague is the beautiful, hip destination of central Europe at the moment, but personally I can see Budapest beating it to the punch as the first former Soviet Bloc city to host the SOGs. When it comes to Olympic tradition and history, it's hard to beat Hungary's record.
Suit U Sir !!! Posted January 20, 2005 Report Posted January 20, 2005 Oooooh, I like these kind of topics...I would say some strong candidates for 2020 will be: Rio de Janeiro, BRA- IMO, strongest S. American candidate, has bid experince from 2012 and 2016 if they bid. World Cup 2014 will have been 6 years prior and Brazil will have held the WC and the PanAm games, both in Rio. Rio can also use its new/upgraded facilities from WC to boost bid in 2020. Cape Town, SAF- Probably only African candidate now, at least besides Jo-burg, but I think the SAF OC will choose Cape Town. Will really be determined to get games. Istanbul, TUR- I think I heard they are not bidding for 2016, which may be a good choice, if Europe wins 2012 or even 2016, they could still put in a bid in 2020, they are the farthest city away from the rest, (Paris, London, Italy, Germany) and Athens will have been 16 years ago. Prague, CZE- The Czech Republic has shown interest in bidding in 2020 and will likely do so if western Europe wins 2012. Has work to do, but one of the strongest candidates, IMO. Melbourne, AUS- The aussies will want another games, and who would blame them after Sydney '00, Melbourne would be a strong candidate and would probably have backing of many countries. Chicago, USA- Thank you to those who included Minneapolis, and while I would wish it so, I think Chicago would be a better bid if the USA wants to get the games in 2020. Maybe MSP can bid later on, but Chicago has the name, the infastructure, the money, and most of the facilities. Dubai, UAE- Possibly our first Middle Eastern bidder, I think so, it has the money and the royal family could basically build whatever they want. Also not as risky as Riyadh, Damascus or any othe ME city. There are many more and like Baron said, it is way to early to tell, but I think these cities would have the best chance assuming they dont win in 2016. If for some reason NYC wins 2012 and then like Thailand wins 2016, then a whole slew of European cities would jump forward, Brussles, Amsterdam, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, London, Stockholm, Russia, Denmark?) Rio- would be a strong 2020 bid if they make 2016 short list, then third time round would stand a real chance. Cape Town- strong contender- did make short list in 2004, finished third, again, 2016 failed bid would help them further Istanbul- not a strong contender in 2020, they've bid too often that the IOC are not taking them seriously anymore. fewer, carefully planned bids, eg 2000, 2008, 2020 would have retained the novelty factor. Prague- not a strong contender, stunning city, but lacks the status and improtance of other european capitals eg. London, Berlin, Rome 2020. melbourne- not a strong contender, too soon after Sydney Not enough fame and international status to match London, Berlin, Rio, NYC 2020 for example, which have much more to offer. chicago- maybe.... I personally think NYC will host 2016, but if not then 3rd consecutive USA host could tempt the IOC. have to get past NYC in domestic 2020 battle first. Also, Toronto could be 2016 host in which case USA bid for 2020 would be dead.
I Love Minneapolis Posted January 21, 2005 Report Posted January 21, 2005 While I somewhat agree, your point about Melbourne is moot. I belive that they are famous enough, not to mention that London, Berlin, Rio and NYC will not all host, Europe will cancel itself out for by winning 2012, and the America's will pretty much have 2016, so 2016 is open to other continents, and maybe even new European ones, including Istanbul and Prague. However, Istanbul is doing well and would be a wise choice NOT to bid for 2016. They need to work on infastructure so they can bid and do well in 2020. If Prague really wants the games, they better get working.
Aronious Posted January 21, 2005 Report Posted January 21, 2005 Seeing as one of its citizens just posted I will bring it up. Minneapolis could certainly go for the games in 2020. A very valid point about Europe cancelling itself out, though I couldn’t see that stopping a few cities from bidding. IMO, Minneapolis and Melbourne are in much the same position. Probably the most technically viable cities in there country (Melbourne certain is, Minneapolis certainly rates highly) and have just about nothing to do except build there villages. No problems in the art of construction. Though like Suit U Sir mentioned, not the most famous in there home land. Still, I can speak for Melbourne when saying it is world known. More exhibitions and trade shows each year then Sydney does, on par for tourists per head of population, the games before Sydney did, and FAR more international sporting events then Sydney will ever see. An international city? yes certainly. Almost more so then Toronto, London or Berlin. Probably very much the same case for Minneapolis. I can see a serious bid from Minnesota in 2016, possibly 2020 also.
Alexjc Posted January 21, 2005 Report Posted January 21, 2005 IMO, Minneapolis and Melbourne are in much the same position. Probably the most technically viable cities in there country (Melbourne certain is, Minneapolis certainly rates highly) and have just about nothing to do except build there villages. Still, I can speak for Melbourne when saying it is world known. More exhibitions and trade shows each year then Sydney does, on par for tourists per head of population, the games before Sydney did, and FAR more international sporting events then Sydney will ever see. An international city? yes certainly. Almost more so then Toronto, London or Berlin. Probably very much the same case for Minneapolis. I can see a serious bid from Minnesota in 2016, possibly 2020 also. It looks likely that NY will fail '12 thus clearing the path for the USA taking out 2016 (now very much due to host). I can remember the shock of Atlanta's winning bid in 1990, most of us didn't even know where that city was in the USA so Minnieapolis (a sleek modern city) stands a good chance to beat Chicago, Boston, Philidelphia and San Fransisco as the US first choice. Melbourne bidding for 2020 (a wonderland if it wins) would at least remind the IOC that Oceania is a serious play for the Olympics, be it Summer or Winter. A regular showing by an Australaisian city could bare fruit by 2040.
I Love Minneapolis Posted January 21, 2005 Report Posted January 21, 2005 I agree 100% with Aaronaugi1. If the USA was a two main city country like Australia (Sydney and Melbourne) and Minneapolis was one of those cities, we could easily win the USOC bid anyway. Our only problem is the housing, but if need be, we could use the U of M's 30,000+ housing units because school is out in the summer. There was a recent article in the Star Tribune (Local Paper) about a proposed plan for the building of three new stadiums in the metro area. It calls for a new Minnesota Gophers (U of M) football stadium on campus with groundbreaking in 2005 and finished by 2007. Meanwhile a new Twins Baseball park would be built by 2008. The Vikings, whose lease with the Metrodome runs out in 2011, would then play at the Gopher stadium until the new viking stadium could be built on the old Metrodome site, I would be in heaven if that happened, not to mention the large airport expansion, making MSP Int'l in the top 5 largest airports inthe country, while we already have the 12th busiest airport in the world. I got picture happy so here goes... 2005-2007: Gopher Stadium 2006-2008: Twins Ballpark 2008?-2011?: Vikings Stadium Anyway, I am still adamant that Istanbul, Melbourne and Dubai bid in 2020, all three have excellent chances at winning. Could you imagine a race with Rio, Melbourne, Cape Town, Dubai, Istabul, Prague, Toronto/ New York, and others...it would be better than 2012.
Suit U Sir !!! Posted January 22, 2005 Report Posted January 22, 2005 Still, I can speak for Melbourne when saying it is world known. More exhibitions and trade shows each year then Sydney does, on par for tourists per head of population, the games before Sydney did, and FAR more international sporting events then Sydney will ever see. An international city? yes certainly. Almost more so then Toronto, London or Berlin. Melbourne a world city? NO WAY.... I do not accept that. World cities are places like LA, NYC, London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Hong Kong, Tokyo. Melbourne has no way near the status of these cities, it doesn't even come close. As for saying Melbourne is more of an international city then London, I think you must be smoking weed or hast or using some other illicit drug, whilst you wrote that comment.. Melbourne people mainly keep on saying their city is world famous, beause of 2 main events- the Australian open tennis and the Australian F1 GP. In response I would say, does Tokyo, Berlin, Rome, Los Angeles, Moscow host a grand slam tennis event? No. But are they world famous cities? yes. So clearly by hosting the Aussie open tenis, does not automatically make melbourne a world city. Secondly, lets have a look at some of the places around the world host F1 grand prix? We have Sepang, Silverstone, Magny Cours, Indianapolis, Spa etc. The locations where these races are held, are they big name cities or towns? No way, and thats also why Melbourne has not become a big name city since hosting the GP
Suit U Sir !!! Posted January 22, 2005 Report Posted January 22, 2005 While I somewhat agree, your point about Melbourne is moot. I belive that they are famous enough Moot point? What that means is you don't really know what as to what a "famous world city" is. World famous cities are London, NYC, Paris, Rome etc..... If you walk into elementary school and ask a 6 year old kid " have you heard or London," they will say "yes." Then continuing, if you ask them "name me building in london," they will reply something like "big ben, London bridge" etc.. If you ask the same child "have you heard of melbourne," the answer in 99.99% of cases will be "no." As for "name me a building in Melbourne"- most fully grown adults can't even answer that question, because melbourne has no world famous landmarks. The MCG is not world famous, as cricket is a sport played by very few countries around the world.
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