intoronto Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Krakow Considers 2022 Bid Officials from Krakow, Poland will meet this weekend to discuss a potential bid for the 2022 Winter Olympics, Around the Rings has learned. Henryk Urbas, a spokesman for the Polish Olympic Committee, tells ATR "very preliminary meetings" with local and regional authorities are scheduled for Saturday and Sunday. Krakow, Poland's second largest city with 1.4 million residents, is considered the country's artistic and cultural capital. Source: Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 The thread "An Olympics in Poland or elsewhere in Eastern Europe?" would probably focus on this much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I say Krakowtawa 2022!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadian Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 This could be very interesting. Poland is a few paces ahead of Ukraine as far as winter medal performance (14 medals in total, with 6 of those won in Vancouver). It seems both countries are beaming from their hosting of Euro 2012 and a bit hungry for more. By all accounts, I've heard Krakow is a wonderful and historic city. But I believe I've read that downhill events (the bane of many Olympic Winter host hopefuls) might have to be held across the border in Slovakia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissO Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 But what is the message to announce a bid for the 2022 Olympics just a few days after having dropped out a Poznan 2018 Youth Olympic Games by lack of guarantees ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 But what is the message to announce a bid for the 2022 Olympics just a few days after having dropped out a Poznan 2018 Youth Olympic Games by lack of guarantees ????????? True. But I think different city AND the real thing, so it would attract a whole different set of sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 But what is the message to announce a bid for the 2022 Olympics just a few days after having dropped out a Poznan 2018 Youth Olympic Games by lack of guarantees ????????? It was the city not the country that had to drop out so IDK. Wouldn't the downhill be held in Zakopane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Krakow 2022 Bid Enlists Slovakia; Tanzania Schedules NOC Elections 10/22/2012 (ATR) A potential bid from Krakow for the 2022 Olympics would highlight the unifying power of the Tatra Mountains between Poland and Slovakia, Around the Rings has learned. Olympic leaders meeting in Krakow to discuss a possible 2022 Olympic bid. (Wiesław Majka UM Kraków) Over the weekend, representatives from the Polish and Slovak Olympic Committees, presidents, parliaments and relevant municipal authorities met in Krakow’s city hall to discuss a bid. Talks were described as “very preliminary” by a Polish Olympic Committee spokesperson, but some details were agreed upon in principle for a “letter of intent” to bid. Ceremonies, figure skating, speedskating and sliding sports would take place in Krakow and surrounding areas; ice hockey in Krakow and Zakopane as well as Slovakia; biathlon, Nordic skiing and snowboarding in Zakopane; as well as alpine and freestyle skiing in Slovakia. The theme of the bid would be: “The Tatra Mountains are not a border between Poland and Slovakia. The Tatras may join and connect our nations, our youth.” Staging the Games would cost $2 billion, according to the Polish Olympic Committee. A review of the meeting sent to ATR says the initiative “has strong support from the local and regional authorities as well as from both National Olympic Committees.” Jagna Marczulajtis-Walczak, a three-time Olympian in snowboarding who is now a member of the Polish parliament, and Szymon Krasicki, professor at Krakow’s Academy of Physical Education, are the two leaders of the project. "The choice of Krakow as the organizer is not accidental," said Mayor Jacek Majchrowski. "Such an event should be organized by a large and well-known city, and the world's most recognizable Polish city after Warsaw is Krakow. "Of course, the idea of declaration of Krakow as the organizer of the Winter Olympic Games would not be possible if it were not for government support at all levels in the Malopolska Region, the Council of the City of Krakow and parliamentarians, as well as representatives of the Olympic committees, and of course our partners from Slovakia." Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk will now receive a letter outlining the initial plans and desire to bid. Zakopane bid for the 2006 Olympics. An interesting aside – the Tatra Mountains are part of the Carpathian mountain range, where Ukraine’s 2022 bid city Lviv is also located. Source three hockey venues spread out will not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stryker Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Holding some of the events in Slovakia won't work either. The IOC will likely view it as a joint bid despite the fact the bid is centered around Krakow. If Poland is truly serious about a Winter bid, why can't they hold all the events in Poland. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Holding some of the events in Slovakia won't work either. The IOC will likely view it as a joint bid despite the fact the bid is centered around Krakow. If Poland is truly serious about a Winter bid, why can't they hold all the events in Poland. Makes no sense. Exactly move all the snow sports to Zakopane and move the secondary hockey venue to krakow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I cannot see Slovakia going done this road completely. But, I think that the IOC needs to seriously considering hosts where an event is hosted across a boarder. I just think that the IOC will limit this to bids that can meet three criteria 1) The two hosts are Schengen Zone countries 2) It is only 1 discipline/sport/venue, with it not being the Men's Downhill (sorry Finland) 3) That the second country has no host allocations. I think that with the Beijing-Hong Kong experiment the IOC might be more flexible. Probably more so with the sliding sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Holding some of the events in Slovakia won't work either. The IOC will likely view it as a joint bid despite the fact the bid is centered around Krakow. If Poland is truly serious about a Winter bid, why can't they hold all the events in Poland. Makes no sense. Why should it make a difference if the secondary sites are in a different country? Distance from the main city matters... but given two somewhat equal distant mountains, why would a border crossing matter. Crossing a Schengen border shouldn't be a bigger deal than crossing a state border (or crossing into Scotland during 2012). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Why should it make a difference if the secondary sites are in a different country? Distance from the main city matters... but given two somewhat equal distant mountains, why would a border crossing matter. Crossing a Schengen border shouldn't be a bigger deal than crossing a state border (or crossing into Scotland during 2012). Because countries want to maintain control over their borders, Olympics, World Cup or not. It is a sovereign right to control who comes in and goes out of your territory (unless you are one of the mini-States). The 2 country deal doesn't work because the IOC will have to work w/ and referee 2 organizing committees; 2 sets of countries that may or may NOT have relations with all of the NOCs that the IOC recognizes. Should a coup occur in one country shortly before the Games, it could hold the staging of the games (its part) hostage and thus screw up the entire shebang, etc., etc.. It is filled with MORE prospective headaches than benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Because countries want to maintain control over their borders, Olympics, World Cup or not. It is a sovereign right to control who comes in and goes out of your territory (unless you are one of the mini-States). You don't know what a Schengen border is, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 You don't know what a Schengen border is, do you? Schengen-schwengen. I KNOW what it is...but that treaty is between 25 countires in Europe. Other visiting athletes, VIPs AND visitors will still be subject to VISA requirements. Not all WOG participants and visitors come from those 25 nations, not to mention about 3/5ths of the IOC does NOT come from those Schengen-schwengen nations. And the Olympics ARE still bathed in nationalistic-host nation hues, so again, there will be dual-hosting problems which can be avoided with ONE host. And if they make an exception with one, then they will have to honor FUTURE dual bids from other parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Schengen-schwengen. I KNOW what it is...but that treaty is between 25 countires in Europe. Other visiting athletes, VIPs AND visitors will still be subject to VISA requirements. Not all WOG participants and visitors come from those 25 nations, not to mention about 3/5ths of the IOC does NOT come from those Schengen-schwengen nations. Beijing had two host NOCs. And the athletes, visitors and Olympic family will be subject to one visa policy, not two, with no boarder controls between the two hosts. That is why it would work whereas a USA/Mexico or Argentina/Uruguay dual city host would not. The IOC would also be intelligent enough to shut down complete dual hosts, where the hosting is shared evenly, and look more favourably on dual hosting for economic sense, like with Salzburg's two bids. And the Olympics ARE still bathed in nationalistic-host nation hues, so again, there will be dual-hosting problems which can be avoided with ONE host. And if they make an exception with one, then they will have to honor FUTURE dual bids from other parts of the world. Again depends on the context. If a city uses a limited venue in a friendly neighbour the IOC would likely make the exception, it did allow Salzburg's bid to go to a vote twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Schengen-schwengen. I KNOW what it is...but that treaty is between 25 countires in Europe. Other visiting athletes, VIPs AND visitors will still be subject to VISA requirements. Not all WOG participants and visitors come from those 25 nations, not to mention about 3/5ths of the IOC does NOT come from those Schengen-schwengen nations. Bonus points for the impressive arguement (Schengen-schwengen... bugs bunny would be proud) but your missing the key point. It's a Schengen border crossing we are concerned with here. Once the athltes, VIPs and visitors deal with Poish imigrations and visas... extending their visit into Slovokia is essentially no different the visiting another area of Poland. And if they make an exception with one, then they will have to honor FUTURE dual bids from other parts of the world. Cool. With the Sweden/Australia exception, now we are open to dual hosting everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Cool. With the Sweden/Australia exception, now we are open to dual hosting everywhere. That was a 1-time happening that the IOC never hoped or hopes to repeat (and so did FIFA after its Korea-Japan experiment). Their hand (like 1984) was forced on that. The untold story of 1956 was that the Equestrian federation (FEI) got so pissed that Oz would not bend their quarantine regulations for them, consequently excluding Equestrian from the full Olympic experience, that the FEI solicited and picked the bid to stage their own event FARTHEST from Australia. And that was Stockholm, This had the intended result among the Equestrian-participating nations of having the Australian (and also NZ) teams travel the farthest...consequently subjecting them (and their horses) to the greatest travel and expense inconveniences. it did allow Salzburg's bid to go to a vote twice. Was aware of that. And again, while Austria & Germany belong to a very nearly identical culture, maybe it was a reason Salzburg didn't win twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Poland prepares joint bid with Slovakia for Winter Olympics 07.11.2012 14:22 Poland and Slovakia have joined forces in a bid to host the 2022 Winter Olympics. Documentation concerning the proposals has been submitted to Poland's Minister of Culture, Joanna Mucha. According to the plan, the former royal capital of Krakow, southern Poland, would host the opening and closing ceremonies of the event. Krakow would also host the majority of the events played on ice, while Zakopane, Poland's winter capital, would handle snowboarding, cross country skiing and the biathlon. Slovakia would organise a number of skiing events, while also hosting a portion of the ice hockey fixtures. Meanwhile, a letter of intent has been signed by the heads of the Olympic committees of Poland and Slovakia. According to the documentation submitted to Minister Mucha, the official candidacy declaration would be made in 2013. Other possible candidates include St Moritz, Oslo, Barcelona, Nice and Lviv. The host will ultimately be chosen in Kuala Lumpur in August 2015, during the 127th session of the International Olympic Committee. Although Poland regularly organises sections of international winter sports events, it has never hosted the Winter Olympics. (nh) http://www.thenews.p...Winter-Olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto Posted November 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 No chance if more then one event is in Slovakia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Poland as a solo might have a chance, but with Slovakia the logistics will turn weird, Lviv may underdog after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 with Slovakia the logistics will turn weird, How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deawebo Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Well 2 countries organizing the olympics, at least they convince the IOC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotosy Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Poland weighs 2022 Games bid WARSAW, Poland -- Poland is considering a joint bid with neighboring Slovakia to host the 2022 Winter Olympics. Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Tuesday he is enthusiastic about the idea, but a bid will depend on cost estimates. Tusk said Poland has some infrastructure after having co-hosted this year's European soccer championship with Ukraine. Under the proposal, the hub would be Poland's historic city of Krakow, with snow events in the Tatra mountain resorts of Zakopane in Poland and on Slovakia's Mount Chopok. Zakopane failed in a bid for the 2006 Winter Games, while the Slovak resort of Poprad-Tatry was unsuccessful in a bid for the 2002 Games. Also weighing possible 2022 bids are Switzerland, Ukraine, Spain and Norway. The IOC will choose a host city in 2015. AP http://espn.go.com/o...22-winter-games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 Hasn't the IOC ruled on joint bids already? This sounds like more than one event over the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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