George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Yeah but so what? They are hosting a Winter Olympics next year; and a WOrld Cup in another 6. It's NOT like they're the only country on earth due a SOGs, are they?? yes, same for all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 some other friends like you have said that 36 or even 40 years after Moscow 1980, is too early for a new olympics. At the same, USA must wait until 2040 to host an Olympics competition again. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 well, george, it is what it is. And we keep telling you...WHO BRINGS THE MONEY to the IOC? The Olympics DON'T run themselves on a FREE TICKET or a gallon of vodka, do they? If you DON'T get that, then you will never understand the whole dynamic of this Olympic prognosticating thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 well, george, it is what it is. And we keep telling you...WHO BRINGS THE MONEY to the IOC? The Olympics DON'T run themselves on a FREE TICKET or a gallon of vodka, do they? If you DON'T get that, then you will never understand the whole dynamic of this Olympic prognosticating thing. You jeopardize olympic values and spirit as well as IOC positions, by telling us that USA must have preferential treatment because of their money. We don't need to have judges then to fix the results so as Patterson to win Khorkina in 2004, or Douglas to win Komova in 2012, lets give them their gold medals before competition then. Bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 You jeopardize olympic values and spirit as well as IOC positions, by telling us that USA must have preferential treatment because of their money. We don't need to have judges then to fix the results so as Patterson to win Khorkina in 2004, or Douglas to win Komova in 2012, lets give them their gold medals before competition then. Bye Your thinking is as twisted as your illogic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 What about your thinking? we all know how Atlanta took 1996 Olympics In 1997 an article appeared in the German periodical Der Spiegel accused the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games (ACOG) of bribing IOC members with up to $120,000 in cash, gold credit cards and college scholarships for their children. In one case, allegations that Atlanta had promised free heart surgery to IOC members coincided with reports that an IOC official had suffered a heart attack while visiting the city, with the medical expenses covered by ACOG as a "professional courtesy". In his defense, ACOG Chairman Billy Payne said, "Atlanta's bidding effort included excessive actions, even thought processes, that today seem inappropriate but, at the time, reflected the prevailing practices in the selection process and an extremely competitive environment." "In God we trust", (US dollar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 What about your thinking? we all know how Atlanta took 1996 Olympics In 1997 an article appeared in the German periodical Der Spiegel accused the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games (ACOG) of bribing IOC members with up to $120,000 in cash, gold credit cards and college scholarships for their children. In one case, allegations that Atlanta had promised free heart surgery to IOC members coincided with reports that an IOC official had suffered a heart attack while visiting the city, with the medical expenses covered by ACOG as a "professional courtesy". In his defense, ACOG Chairman Billy Payne said, "Atlanta's bidding effort included excessive actions, even thought processes, that today seem inappropriate but, at the time, reflected the prevailing practices in the selection process and an extremely competitive environment." "In God we trust", (US dollar) Don't be stupid. Der Spiegel? U'r funny!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 some other friends like you have said that 36 or even 40 years after Moscow 1980, is too early for a new olympics. At the same, USA must wait until 2040 to host an Olympics competition again. Thank you. How many countries are there in Europe capable of hosting the Olympics? Now how many are there in North America? By the same token, the United States will not have hosted any Olympics since 2002. Russia will only have been since 2014. St. Petersburg 2024 is too soon after Sochi to be taken seriously. 2028 is pushing is as well. And even still, if their competition includes any or all of the likes of Istanbul, Paris, Rome, maybe a German city, those are all countries that have had a Summer Olympics less recently than Russia. And seriously about Atlanta 1996? You know why they won?.. because the competition sucked. Athens was supposed to be handed that Olympics for the centennial, but they weren't up to par. The rest of the field was a city in a country that was pretty fresh off 2 hostings, and a handful of countries' secondary cities. You're darn right the IOC saw an opportunity for 1 of their primary sponsors in Atlanta. But much like Salt Lake, let's not pretend that bribery was the only reason Atlanta won because that's simply not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 How many countries are there in Europe capable of hosting the Olympics? Now how many are there in North America? By the same token, the United States will not have hosted any Olympics since 2002. Russia will only have been since 2014. St. Petersburg 2024 is too soon after Sochi to be taken seriously. 2028 is pushing is as well. And even still, if their competition includes any or all of the likes of Istanbul, Paris, Rome, maybe a German city, those are all countries that have had a Summer Olympics less recently than Russia. We speak about summer olympics. USA hosted in 1996. Russia in 1980. Dont mix the 2 olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 We speak about summer olympics. USA hosted in 1996. Russia in 1980. Dont mix the 2 olympics I'm well aware, but I think you're being naive if you think that Sochi 2014 won't have an effect on St. Petersburg's chances, especially in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 We speak about summer olympics. USA hosted in 1996. Russia in 1980. Dont mix the 2 olympics Why not? They both use the 5-ring symbol which you also use as your avatar. Before the 2nd World War, the IOC gave both a Summer & Winter Games to the same country. They are handed out and administered by the same body. They are funded by the same big (American for the most part) corporations (NBC, Coke, Visa, etc.). Their fates and fortunes are intertwined and connected. Who do you think you're dealing with here? People born yesterday? Think again, George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 all right then why zac rogue said for a possible Torodo 2024 olympics since there are only 14 years from 2010 WOG? He said clearly that panamerican games can help them win the SOG just like in case of Brazil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 all right then why zac rogue said for a possible Torodo 2024 olympics since there are only 14 years from 2010 WOG? He said clearly that panamerican games can help them win the SOG just like in case of Brazil Rogge says a lot of things. He also said he thought the United States should submit a bid for 2020 even though that probably would have been a losing proposition. And again, that's 14 years. That's more within the realm of possible. If you're asking for 10 years on from Sochi, that's a much tougher sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 all right then why zac rogue said for a possible Torodo 2024 olympics since there are only 14 years from 2010 WOG? He said clearly that panamerican games can help them win the SOG just like in case of Brazil 1. He says all those sorts of things to encourage as many POSSIBLE bidders. 2. Doesn't mean it will happen. 3. He, nor hopefully, any future IOC president, can not control 115 independent voters. 4. He will NO LONGER be IOC president after 2013; so he will not be a factor IF and WHEN Toronto decides to run. Don't take all those pronouncements at face value. Rogge is a diplomat, first and foremost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 who will be president of IOC after 2013? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/sports/olympics/us-olympic-committee-decides-not-to-bid-for-2022-games.html?_r=0 U.S. Olympic Committee Pulls Out of Bidding for 2022 Games Before It Begins Three years after Chicago’s bid to host the 2016 Summer Olympics was soundly defeated, the United States Olympic Committee said Tuesday that it would study whether to seek to host the 2024 Summer Games and the 2026 Winter Games. To help the United States win a bid for either or both of those Games, the U.S.O.C. said it would not bid to host the Winter Games in 2022 even though some cities had already started to explore that possibility. “We want to submit a bid that is viable and that adds value to the worldwide Olympic movement,” Scott Blackmun, the chief executive of the U.S.O.C., said in a statement. “We believe a 2024 or 2026 bid will give us the best chance of achieving those ends, and therefore will not submit a bid to host the 2022 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games.” The United States last hosted an Olympics in 2002, when Salt Lake City was the site of the Winter Games. Atlanta hosted the Summer Olympics in 1996. Blackmun said a working group looking at potential hosts would make its initial report at a U.S.O.C. board meeting in December. Blackmun and Larry Probst, the chairman of the U.S.O.C., said they would name an unspecified number of board members to the group and that those people would attend the London Games this summer to begin their research. In a conference call with reporters, Blackmun said it was too early to say whether the United States would bid for the Summer Games, the Winter Games or both. But, he added, “Candidly, I’d be surprised if we didn’t submit a bid” for at least one of the Games. Probst said that by dropping its focus on 2022, the U.S.O.C. would have more time “to form relationships with the I.O.C. membership, which we’ve been working hard to do in the last few years.” The tentative steps toward making a bid come less than two months after the U.S.O.C. settled a long-standing revenue-sharing dispute with the International Olympic Committee. The disagreement involved how much money the U.S.O.C. should receive from the Games. Some officials said they thought that the United States committee was receiving too big a share of the broadcasting rights. The U.S.O.C. — which, unlike other major national Olympic committees, does not receive any direct government financing — also receives 20 percent of I.O.C. global marketing revenue, which amounts to billions of dollars. The dispute over how to divide this money was seen as one reason Chicago lost its bid in 2009 to host the 2016 Summer Games, despite the efforts of President Obama and his wife, Michelle. Those Games were awarded to Rio de Janeiro. The details of the new revenue-sharing deal, which begins in 2020 and will last for 20 years, were not disclosed. But the agreement paved the way for the U.S.O.C. to begin considering whether to pursue a bid. Bozeman, Mont.; Denver; Reno-Lake Tahoe, Nev.; and Salt Lake City have shown interest in hosting the Winter Games in 2022. They will now have to set their sights on 2026. Last week, Gov. John Hickenlooper of Colorado and Mayor Michael B. Hancock of Denver formed an exploratory committee to seek the 2022 Winter Games. Blackmun said he spoke with officials in Denver, and while they were “very supportive,” they did not indicate whether they would pursue a bid for 2026. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Your point being? This is old news. The revenue issue has since been resolved and will no longer be a hindrance to future bidding. And what does this have anything to do with St. Petersburg 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 who will be president of IOC after 2013? Me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 I propose Barack Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 You jeopardize olympic values and spirit as well as IOC positions, by telling us that USA must have preferential treatment because of their money. We don't need to have judges then to fix the results so as Patterson to win Khorkina in 2004, or Douglas to win Komova in 2012, lets give them their gold medals before competition then. Bye What is it with Russians who complain about second place?! Komova, Khorkina, Slutskaya (to Hughes), Plushenko (to Lysacek). Sore losers. And the truth is that they've come out somewhat questionably ahead on many occasions as well... Need we recount the Salt Lake City pairs controversy? Notice the difference between the way the Russian girls wept and bemoaned their deserved second place in team gymnastics and the way the American girls accepted their silver medals in Athens and Beijing with poised disappointment. These sports are subjective. I believe the judges do their best. Sometimes it breaks the wrong way. I thought Raisman should've had the bronze over Mustafina, but Raisman didn't complain and nor did I. Most notably -- Jordyn Wieber didn't complain when she didn't even make the AA despite finishing 4th. When was the last time a Russian diva behaved that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 I propose Barack Obama He will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 George, we are not saying the IOC owes the US more Olympics. We are saying the IOC will derive benefits from holding the Games in the US periodically. The IOC is absolutely free to choose to go elsewhere. If they want to make the US wait until the 40s, they can. If they don't ever want to see the Games in the US again, they can make that choice too. We are just saying we think it's unlikely that the IOC will decide either of those options is the best course of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 The problem for Russia is that it's in Europe and therefore must compete with France (not to mention Germany, Italy, Spain). Being in North America the US only has to compete with Mexico (unable to host at present) and Canada (just hosted 2010). Arguably, the US should be the next host nation for the Americas. Because of Sochi, France and Germany will probably both be ahead of Russia in the queue of European hosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_D Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 The problem for Russia is that it's in Europe and therefore must compete with France (not to mention Germany, Italy, Spain). Being in North America the US only has to compete with Mexico (unable to host at present) and Canada (just hosted 2010). Υes i agree, but last years south America emerges also. Maybe Argentina will follow Brazil some time in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Υes i agree, but last years south America emerges also. Maybe Argentina will follow Brazil some time in future It will happen all in good time. Right now, Brazil is booming so they CAN afford those extravaganzas. For now, I think Argentina is looking forward to the: IOC Session next year; maybe getting the 2018 YOGs, and the Centennial of the World Cup in 2030 when they can co-host with Uruguay. I hope that's something the Argentines and the Urugs can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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