cslopes54 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Might it be possible for the following to happen: 12 members of the forum select one of Soarings' ideas and create a short bid proposal - I was thinking the 8 top cities added to Boston, Minneapolis, Seattle, and Houston, and to do a little research covering such areas as: Current venues and possible future venues - pro or college supports Infrastructure in the area including any problems and how they might be addressed The local economy and potential ways to fund any games Political/public opinion i.e. any previous expressions of support or suggestions of bidding. The X Factor - what positive attributes could the bid city offer especially as the IOC regard it as a faux pas to criticise other contenders Any takers for Chicago NY LA San Francisco/Bay Area Philadelphia Washington/Baltimore Dallas Miami Boston Seattle Houston Minneapolis ?? ill do research to my home, Boston! can i include pics? not too many tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 ill do research to my home, Boston! can i include pics? not too many tho Make sure to include venues, pics are just extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslopes54 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Boston : *Gillette Stadium (foxboro, 30mins from Boston downtown) - 69,000 The following Venues are located in the heart of the city, mostly owned by Univeristies and used for multi purposes: * TD Garden - Basketball - 19,000 *Harvard Stadium - 57,000 Max capacity *Alumni Boston College - 44,500 *Fenway Park - 37,000 *Agganis Arena Boston U. - 7,000 *Nickerson Field - 10,000 *Bright Hockey Center - 2,800 *Conte Forum - 8,500 *Brookline Country Club - 7,000 yards length *George Wright Golf Course - 6,440 yards length *Matthews Arena Northeastern U - 6,000 *Suffolk Down - Horse Racing *Tennis and Racquet Club - (?) *Boston Opera House - 2,600 *Boston Convention and Exhibiton Center - 2.7 acres *Kresge Auditorium M.I.T - 1,200 *Berklee Performance Center - 1,200 *Boston Symphony Hall - 2,300 Boston is located on the coast, main water locations : *Boston Harbor *Charles River *Cape Cod - 1 hr drive distance Boston is a very compact city. Traffic can be a problem. Hotel capacity is decent, dont have numbers sry Logan international airport served 28.8 million passangers in 2011 250,000 students attends Boston and Cambridge alone during school season , and abudancy in dorms, approximately 52,700 rooms. Boston metropolitan area has th sixth largest economy in the country and 12th largest in the world. The largest city in New England, Boston is regarded as the unofficial "Capital of New England" for its economic and cultural impact on the entire New England region. Average summer temperature is 80F. Boston is very rich in culture and History, tons of major museums and studios. now that needs a deeper research. So this is it, it might be a little messy but its the best i can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABYLON Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Boston is great! The city has a lot to offer and the Olympics can offer a lot when it comes to boosting development and housing in the city. Having said that, well, we haven't heard anything from the local government in MA. If Boston won't happen then Philadelphia is my other hope! Philly is a wonderful town and they have many facilities there as well. I kinda gave up hope regarding Chicago. I don't think the city is interested unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABYLON Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 And the Blodgett Pool at Harvard. It's one of the best swimming facilities in the country. It seats 1200 people only but it can be used for practice and training during the Games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Re Boston: 1. What is the no. of hotel rooms in the metro area? 2. I don't think Harvard will give up all of its dorm rooms for a summer. They have projects going on every time for a lot of grad/doctoral students that require a significant # of dorm rooms, and those projects are of far greater importance than any 2-week sports festival, even if they are the Olympics. So all the necessary dorm rooms, if loaned out as the OV, will NOT be in one campus. They may have to be split between, say: Harvard & Boston Univ. I think this is one of the reasons that a Boston bid has never progressed past the dreaming-talking stage. Ultimately, Boston is just too small for an Olympics. They need the size of a Beijing, a Sydney, a London, a Moscow, a Paris. Size and stature-wise, Boston is not in that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Boston : *Gillette Stadium (foxboro, 30mins from Boston downtown) - 69,000 The following Venues are located in the heart of the city, mostly owned by Univeristies and used for multi purposes: * TD Garden - Basketball - 19,000 *Harvard Stadium - 57,000 Max capacity *Alumni Boston College - 44,500 *Fenway Park - 37,000 *Agganis Arena Boston U. - 7,000 *Nickerson Field - 10,000 *Bright Hockey Center - 2,800 *Conte Forum - 8,500 *Brookline Country Club - 7,000 yards length *George Wright Golf Course - 6,440 yards length *Matthews Arena Northeastern U - 6,000 *Suffolk Down - Horse Racing *Tennis and Racquet Club - (?) *Boston Opera House - 2,600 *Boston Convention and Exhibiton Center - 2.7 acres *Kresge Auditorium M.I.T - 1,200 *Berklee Performance Center - 1,200 *Boston Symphony Hall - 2,300 Boston is located on the coast, main water locations : *Boston Harbor *Charles River *Cape Cod - 1 hr drive distance Boston is a very compact city. Traffic can be a problem. Hotel capacity is decent, dont have numbers sry Logan international airport served 28.8 million passangers in 2011 250,000 students attends Boston and Cambridge alone during school season , and abudancy in dorms, approximately 52,700 rooms. Boston metropolitan area has th sixth largest economy in the country and 12th largest in the world. The largest city in New England, Boston is regarded as the unofficial "Capital of New England" for its economic and cultural impact on the entire New England region. Average summer temperature is 80F. Boston is very rich in culture and History, tons of major museums and studios. now that needs a deeper research. So this is it, it might be a little messy but its the best i can do. You listed venues, but not where the sports would be played. I should've done a better job clarifying, my apologizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyroKinesis Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Ultimately, Boston is just too small for an Olympics. They need the size of a Beijing, a Sydney, a London, a Moscow, a Paris. Size and stature-wise, Boston is not in that league. Actually, Boston is pretty large. The problem is that it's too cramped. Where would they put new venues? An Olympic stadium? Anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABYLON Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Too cramped indeed! Now that I think about it, they really have to be creative! It's possible that the Olympic Stadium can be built in Wonderland or even in the Victory Park area in Medford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Actually, Boston is pretty large. The problem is that it's too cramped. Where would they put new venues? An Olympic stadium? Anything? It's small to accommodate new venues. If it were large, then it could accommodate new venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Boston is a very nice city, one of the nicest the US. But I don't believe it could host the olympics in 2024. At the moment there are not enough stadiums IN the city. There are a bunch of venues in the surrounding area 1-2 hours away, but the games would be called the Boston olympics, not the Boston area olympics. And it's been mentioned before, there is no room in Boston for so many venues. And I don't see what they would be used for after the games. We wouldn't want the venues to become abandon like Athens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Boston is a very nice city, one of the nicest the US. But I don't believe it could host the olympics in 2024. At the moment there are not enough stadiums IN the city. There are a bunch of venues in the surrounding area 1-2 hours away, but the games would be called the Boston olympics, not the Boston area olympics. And it's been mentioned before, there is no room in Boston for so many venues. And I don't see what they would be used for after the games. We wouldn't want the venues to become abandon like Athens. Exactly. Boston is fine the way it is -- maybe host a Democratic convention every now and then. But it doesn't need an Olympics to prove itself. It is fine as the Athens of North America, intellectually that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Exactly. Boston is fine the way it is -- maybe host a Democratic convention every now and then. But it doesn't need an Olympics to prove itself. It is fine as the Athens of North America, intellectually that is. Then again, most cities in America that want the games don't need to prove themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Then again, most cities in America that want the games don't need to prove themselves. Then maybe they shouldn't take on such a gargantuan, vainglorious undertaking. There is such a thing as over-reaching when one doesn't have to. Let the bigger fools do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Then maybe they shouldn't take on such a gargantuan, vainglorious undertaking. There is such a thing as over-reaching when one doesn't have to. Let the bigger fools do it. There really is something to this. The Olympics are far less necessary than some of us on these boards like to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BABYLON Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 And I don't see what they would be used for after the games. We wouldn't want the venues to become abandon like Athens. This should be the first question on the table in all U.S. cities that want to host the Olympics. Are you willing to build stuff that won't be used and set there to rot? If Boston will end up trying to bid, I hope the whole process will be some big collaboration among all universities in the area where they agree on building athletic facilities they need for the future use of their students and that includes the Olympic Village = future dorm for one of the colleges there. If the result will be building useless facilities then they should forget about it! It's so stupid to waste money on something you use once unless it's toilet paper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athensfan Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 This should be the first question on the table in all U.S. cities that want to host the Olympics. Are you willing to build stuff that won't be used and set there to rot? No American city will spend money on useless venues only to see them "rot." There must be a comprehensive legacy plan, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 That's really the thing about the Olympics. It is a BIG 2-week extravaganza that comes with a very heavy price. For some cities that really need fixing, and if they have the funds for the initial investment, fine. But for cities NOT really needing them, buyer beware. And with the rash of recent Olympics so well documented and the books pretty much open, you should go into this with your eyes totally wide open. Another axiom to remember is: be careful of what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted September 23, 2012 Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 That's really the thing about the Olympics. It is a BIG 2-week extravaganza that comes with a very heavy price. For some cities that really need fixing, and if they have the funds for the initial investment, fine. But for cities NOT really needing them, buyer beware. And with the rash of recent Olympics so well documented and the books pretty much open, you should go into this with your eyes totally wide open. Another axiom to remember is: be careful of what you wish for. And unfortunately that's why I don't believe Boston could hold the games anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoriaguy Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Possible NYC2024 Olympic venues Manhattan: Boxing: Radio City Music Hall- Cap. 5,000 (existing) Basketball: Madison Square Garden- Cap. 19,000 (existing) Field Hockey: Lawrence A. Wien Stadium- Cap. 17,000 (existing) Fencing, Judo, Table Tennis, Taekwondo, Weightlifting, Wrestling: Jacob Javits Center-Cap.3,000 (existing) Beach Volleyball: Rockefeller Center (existing) Archery: Central Park (existing) Olympic Village (new) Bronx: Equestrian: Cap. 7,000 (new) Golf: Van Courtland Park Badminton: Rose Hill Gymnasium- Cap. 3,500 (existing) Baseball: Yankee Stadium- Cap. 50,000 (existing) Queens: Athletics/Ceremonies: Olympic Stadium- Cap.80,000 (new) Tennis: National Tennis Center-Main Stadium Cap. 23,000 (existing) Aquatics: Corona Park Aquatics Center Cap.10,000 (renovation) Waterpolo: New York State Pavilion- Cap. 5,000 (new) Sailing: Breezy Point Canoeing: Meadow Lake Staten Island: Softball: Richmond County Bank Ballpark- Cap. 7,000 (existing) Modern Pentathlon: 5,000 Brooklyn: Gymnastics: Barclays Center- Cap. 15,000 (existing) Cycling: Brooklyn Veledrome-3,000 (new) BMX: MCU Park- Cap. 7,000 (renovation) New Jersey: Indoor Volleyball: Prudential Center- Cap. 17,000 (existing) Rugby: Red Bull Arena- Cap. 25,000 (existing) Soccer/Football: Metlife Stadium, Lincoln Financial Field, FedEx Field, Gillette Stadium hmm looks familiar 19 August 2012 - 11:02 PM Here are some of my ideas as a local Manhattan Times Square - Beach Volleyball Central Park - Triathlon Madison Square Garden - Gymnastics, Boxing Medal Rounds Javits Convention Center - Judo, Taekwondo, Weightlifting, Wrestling, Table Tennis Roseland Ballroom - Boxing Baker Athletics Complex - Field Hockey Hammerstein Ballroom - Badminton Fort Washington Armory - Water Polo NYC Marathon Route with Alteration to the Start and End locations Queens Flushing Meadows Park Olympic Stadium (Former Fountain of Industry Site repurposed for later use as MLS Arena) USTA - Tennis Meadows Lake - Flatwater Races New York State Pavilion - Archery Iron Triangle across from CitiField - Athlete's Village Site of Terrace on the Park - Aquatics Breezy Point - Sailing Brooklyn Barclay's Center - Basketball Coney Island - BMX MCU Park - Softball (if it returns) Park Slope Armory - Fencing Road Cycling Bronx Yankee Stadium - Baseball (if it returns) Van Courtland Park - Golf Former Jerome Reservoir - Velodrome, Whitewater Course Pelham Bay Park - Shooting Staten Island Modern Pentathlon Equestrian Mountain Biking New Jersey Prudential Center - VolleyBall Izod Center - Handball Red Bull Arena - Rugby 7's Football Venues MetLife Stadium - 82,566 Citifield - 41,922 (baseball configuration Football unknown but possibly greater with temp stands) Lincoln Financial Field - 68,532 Rutgers Stadium - 52,454 Yale Bowl - 64,246 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 hmm looks familiar 19 August 2012 - 11:02 PM Here are some of my ideas as a local Manhattan Times Square - Beach Volleyball That's even nuttier than the Rockefeller Ice Rink suggestion. #1 - a Beach volleyball venue requires at least 3 courts. (There are 2 on the side where prelims are conducted & which serve as warm-up courts as well. #2 - Do you really think the Theatre district will have their Square preempted for that for like 5 weeks in 2 years (remember there is a test event the year before)? #3 - Where will Broadway & 7th Avenue traffic be rerouted for those 5 weeks? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoriaguy Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 They have already turned the western half of times square into a full pedestrian plaza. Cars have been heavily restricted from the Square for a few years now and they actually hold events in the square regularly including some of the 2012 US Trials. It is no longer an intersection of Broadway and Seventh for cars. Vehicle traffic is no longer available between 47th and 42nd streets essentially exteneding the sidewalks out all the way out to Seventh avenue. And hey if not there how about Bryant park it works for Fashion week im sure it will be more than enough for BV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 hmm looks familiar 19 August 2012 - 11:02 PM Here are some of my ideas as a local Manhattan Times Square - Beach Volleyball Central Park - Triathlon Madison Square Garden - Gymnastics, Boxing Medal Rounds Javits Convention Center - Judo, Taekwondo, Weightlifting, Wrestling, Table Tennis Roseland Ballroom - Boxing Baker Athletics Complex - Field Hockey Hammerstein Ballroom - Badminton Fort Washington Armory - Water Polo NYC Marathon Route with Alteration to the Start and End locations Queens Flushing Meadows Park Olympic Stadium (Former Fountain of Industry Site repurposed for later use as MLS Arena) USTA - Tennis Meadows Lake - Flatwater Races New York State Pavilion - Archery Iron Triangle across from CitiField - Athlete's Village Site of Terrace on the Park - Aquatics Breezy Point - Sailing Brooklyn Barclay's Center - Basketball Coney Island - BMX MCU Park - Softball (if it returns) Park Slope Armory - Fencing Road Cycling Bronx Yankee Stadium - Baseball (if it returns) Van Courtland Park - Golf Former Jerome Reservoir - Velodrome, Whitewater Course Pelham Bay Park - Shooting Staten Island Modern Pentathlon Equestrian Mountain Biking New Jersey Prudential Center - VolleyBall Izod Center - Handball Red Bull Arena - Rugby 7's Football Venues MetLife Stadium - 82,566 Citifield - 41,922 (baseball configuration Football unknown but possibly greater with temp stands) Lincoln Financial Field - 68,532 Rutgers Stadium - 52,454 Yale Bowl - 64,246 I stand by my list. I'm not saying your's is bad, but mine seems to be more financially friendly and quite frankly simpler. I don't see the reason to use public money to demolish functioning buildings and build brand new venues, when many sports venues have been proposed to be built on ruined land and abandoned buildings, plus some have to be privately funded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoriaguy Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Which of my venues do you find would require demolition? The only one that would replace an existing structure would be Terrace on the Park which would give the densely populated area a much needed accessible aquatic/community center that could be used by the many public schools and largely underserved hispanic and asian communities nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotatoChips Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Which of my venues do you find would require demolition? You said the "sight of the Terrace on the Park" Do you mean demolish the building, or build a venue around it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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