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  1. Options: build a convertible stadium (like Stade de France) build a stadium with mostly temporary seating (like Budapest's new stadium for the 2023 World Athletics Championships) build an oval stadium that is converted to a rectangle after the event (like City of Manchester Stadium after the 2002 Commonwealth Games) build a semi-oval stadium with a temporary platform or excavation for athletics (like Hampden Park for the 2014 Commonwealth Games) I think the financing and club cooperation are bigger obstacles than the technical issues. BVB, Borussia M, Schalke, Fortuna and Bayer Leverkusen all have existing stadiums that suit their needs better than a Frankenstein hybrid stadium.
  2. I think this is because of the suites and/or concourses separating tiers of seats, thus creating greater verticality. Compare Dinama Stadion in Minsk to Petrovsky Stadion in St Petersburg. They are roughly the same capacity, but the stadium in Minsk is taller and thus looks much larger.
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    FIFA World Cup 2026

    Today's MLS Cup in Seattle had an attendance of 69,274, which makes it the highest attended sporting event in the city's history. I still don't think this world cup is a good idea because of the logistics for visiting fans, but it's at least clear that the sport itself will be much better supported in 2026 than it was in 1994. The talk in town now is whether Luis Suarez might join our team in a couple of years, whereas I think 99% of Americans in the 1990's couldn't name any soccer players other than Pele and David Beckham.
  4. Or they could simply reduce the venue requirements. Why do the Commonwealth Games require a larger athletics stadium than the IAAF World Championships in Athletics? The UCI Track Cycling World Championships will make due with 1,800 seats but the CGF needs a velodrome with at least 4,000 seats. And so on.
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    2030 Commonwealth Games

    Does it still matter to the athletes and the host cities? The various continental games get little television coverage, but they do matter a great deal to the athletes (especially for athletes in the sports with Olympic qualification on the line) and to the host city. And that's all that is really needed for these events to survive. That said, Olympic qualification is an enormous advantage for the continental games over the Commonwealth Games in ensuring athlete interest.
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    Brisbane 2032

    Brisbane Lions average 27,511 fans/match Brisbane Heat average 22,343 Gold Coast Suns average 19,810 Brisbane Roar average 9,632 Sure, the stadium would sell out when Brisbane hosted a major international competition, but how often will that happen? The local sports teams only need 25,000-40,000 seats, and Brisbane already has two stadiums for that role.
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    Brisbane 2032

    Even a 60,000 seat stadium would still be very costly, however. Presumably it wouldn't be as expensive as Optus Stadium's $1.6 billion AU cost. Temporary stadiums have cost 1/2 to 2/3rds the cost of permanent structures at previous Olympics. (See London's water polo and basketball arenas, for example.) But even half of the cost of Perth's stadium would be $800 million AU for the sake of a 17 day event with no obvious long term use, as none of the sports teams in Queensland need a 60,000 seat venue. On the flip side if Brisbane can pull this off without any white elephants left after the circus has packed up and left, then it would genuinely show the IOC has changed. And it would also be a monumental achievement for Brisbane and Queensland.
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    Brisbane 2032

    True, and there are a few sports like tennis that are better served with a September Olympics than an August Olympics.
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    Brisbane 2032

    It's not just NBC. The calendars of every summer Olympic sport would have to be torn up and adjusted, and that would be a massive disruption. And it would be an even bigger problem for team sports as the IOC has either very indirect control or no control at all over the various sports leagues around the world.
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    Brisbane 2032

    This whole approach seems crazy to me. Brisbane and Queensland should be thinking about what works for them and then seeing how that could work for an Olympic bid rather than making the "best bid ever" and then trying to figure out the legacy afterwards. But maybe I don't understand the Australian point of view.
  11. Speed skating rinks are different dimensions from athletics stadiums. It is possible to put a temporary rink inside an athletics stadium, but there is a very large distance from the stands to the ice. https://cdn.decoolstebaanvannederland.nl/app/uploads/2017/02/banner-1.jpg
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    Lima 2019

    Did many people in Chile watch the closing ceremonies? Maybe they felt it was a waste of money to provide a "real" handover ceremony if few Chileans would watch?
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    Brisbane 2032

    I think it partially did, along with a third track. But our Australian posters would likely know more than I do. I do think the original London model of a permanent lower bowl and a temporary upper bowl might work, but it's never been done before and it would still leave a bigger than needed stadium. Community athletics in Brisbane shouldn't need any more than 1,000-2,000 seats, whereas the seating capacity of a full lower bowl would be at least 15,000. So even that optimistic plan would force grassroot athletics in Queensland to maintain a stadium ten times the capacity it actually needs. The option that would definitely not leave behind a white elephant would be a cricket/AFL stadium of 30,000 permanent seats and 30,000+ temporary seats. But Brisbane already has Brisbane Cricket Ground and Carrara Stadium for that purpose.
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    Brisbane 2032

    Things like public parks and recreational facilities generally lose money, but indirectly generate revenue through increased property values. Urban communities need public sports facilities for people to use for exercise and living in an area with good recreational facilities is more attractive, thus increasing real estate prices. To wit, the area around the Queen Elizabeth Park in London has seen a significant increase in property values since the development of the park. (Of course, that will in turn lead to complaints about gentrification.) The concern is that the Olympics -and high profile sporting events generally- have generally struggled to produce community-based facilities. The technical requirements for Olympic venues and the requirements for community facilities are very dissimilar. Sydney Olympic Park Athletic Centre is a pretty good example of a grassroots dedicated athletic center. But I don't think there's any way it could have been temporarily expanded into an Olympic Stadium.
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    Brisbane 2032

    I just don't understand how Brisbane can support Olympic facilities post-games. Queensland has a population smaller than Minnesota (over an area eight times larger), and Brisbane's metro area population is analogous to that of Minneapolis. And don't be fooled by overall pop numbers. Athens has a population density of 17,000 residents per square kilometer for the urban area and about 7,500 over its metro area while Brisbane has 145 residents per square kilometer. We've seen in the past what happens when cities build stadiums for the World Cup or Olympics and then consider the needs of local sports teams afterwards. None of the teams in Brisbane need a 60,000 seat Olympic Stadium, or a 15,000 seat arena.
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