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  1. Not sure where to put this topic but anyways The surfing event as I understand it will make certain geographical bids possible. For instance, it would be impossible as I understand it to hold a surfing event in a landlocked country. Consider a hypothetical Toronto bid, how could a bid be possible? Is it possible to hold the surfing event in British Columbia? It would seem extremely awkward to have a surfing event over 3000 miles away from the host city. The same issue would arise with a Chicago bid. Has there been any discussion about this on the site.
  2. I see that you didn't dare to try to challenge my points. Now imagine this scenario that is probably going to happen.....Toronto bids, and once again fails to win....IOC once again feels sorry for Canada and awards Quebec City the 2026 Winter Games. Once again, Toronto has to be the scapegoat for another Canadian winter olympics.
  3. There are a few things I would like to ask you about the public transit argument. I used to believe that too, and I was a staunch supporter before of Olympics in Toronto, but let's look at a few things: -Athletes, Coaches, Delgates, IOC, WILL NOT use public transit whatsoever. Instead like we just seen during the Pan Am Games, regular traffic lanes will be turned into OLYMPIC LANES, not 50/50 HOV/PAN AM lanes, but full Olympic Lanes to make sure they get exactly where they are going and not have to face the horrors of local traffic -While spectators will have to use public transit, consider this, if the Olympic Stadium is built in the Port Lands, I can see either one of two things occuring there for transit improvements for the crown jewel venue of the Olympics. ONE, they simply build a spur line from the GO Train similar to how they built a spur from the Kitchener GO/CN Rail line to the airport for the UP Express. Or TWO, they build a new streetcar or LRT line that is an express route from the Union Station streetcar platform but goes to the Port Lands. -As no realistic venues will take place within the path of any kind of proposed Downtown Relief Line, an Olympics will accelerate the building of a downtown subway how exactly? -If Toronto, Queen's Park, and Ottawa could not even build a subway underneath a corridor that really does need one, yes I'm talking to you Eglinton, it essentially gets silver transit when gold transit is indeed required, that whole crosstown, and should have been from the airport to kennedy station should have been a full blown subway. The Liberals always whine that the Ontario PCs cancelled the Eglinton West subway, but I notice they have not had any serious talks of reinstating anything worthwhile. The Finch West LRT and Sheppard East LRT, if they ever see the light of day will be on the subway map at first, but when people see how slow the thing moves, they will be branded as 500 series routes. You may not know this but the Harbourfront LRT (yes there's a plaque in Union that calls it that) was originally branded route 604 and appeared on a TTC map as a subway line. When they realized that this service for a lack of a better word sucked in terms for speed, they rebranded it as a streetcar route. If you wish me to post this map I will. -If we can spend 20 billion dollars for the Olympics, why can't we simply spend that 20 billion where our people actually need it, traffic and congestion levels on both roads and transit is making motorists militant and transit riders frustrated. You cannot deny this, if we are told constantly that subways are too expensive, why are the Olympics not expensive then? -I've been following the Spadina subway extension since 2005....and she is still not ready. If Toronto is awarded the Olympics, with all the bureaucracy and unions, you honestly think we can get a subway line done in 7 years. Shall I remind you about Montreal's Olympic stadium in how it was not completed by the time the games started? Basically, even if Toronto gets the Olympics, how can we be sure that Toronto will realize it's public transit endeavors that have been talked about for over a century?
  4. See, so it looks like I was right all along. If Agenda 2020 works, then perhaps Toronto should try a bid, but for now it makes the most sense to let someone else be the guinea pig as I do not want to be paying potentially 20 billion or more as a taxpayer for the Olympics.
  5. Yeah, nice run by DeGrasse.....too bad he couldn't win the medal without sharing the podium though.
  6. Now that the Pan American Games are totally over, with all the HOV lanes being eliminated and everything being restored to the way it was before the games started. I ask all of you who went to events, as I went to events as well, was there any benefit at all to city or region in hosting the Pan American Games.....oh but we got a wonderful aquatic centre. Yeah, just try using it, unless you are a current student of UTSC, forget about using it, it costs an arm and a leg to just set foot in that place for one day. What about the lovely Union-Pearson Express....are you kidding me, $30 bucks to go one direction on it, no thank you, I'll stick to the TTC where it costs 1/10 of the price, but I do give the TTC credit now for heavily advertised that express bus to the airport now on the subway diagrams. Before the express bus to the airport was pretty much a well kept secret. But let me be absolutely clear, the Canadian National Exhibition, Toronto's annual event for over 130 years is going on now until Labor Day.....there will be a lot more people who go to the CNE then those that went to the Pan Am/Parapan Am games, and guess what, the CNE actually has a positive effect for the city, unlike the Pan Am Games which clearly had a negative effect on the city. 2.5 billion we know so far as been tossed down the drain, I really don't understand where the money went, the only thing special about these venues were the temporary security fences installed everywhere, that costed over 2.5 billion dollars? Since we will never know where the money went, are you sure we really want to be throwing 25 billion at the IOC? Forget Agenda 2020, let's be real here. As I say, a summer Olympics would be enjoyable for sure, but it is not at all worth it with the enormous cost it will bring to taxpayers. Remember that little pickle Greece is in right now, are you sure we want to be going down the same path as them. I know for sure that I do not want to, especially when you consider that Ontario's debt is worse than California's! I read once that Ontario has the largest sub-national debt in the world! The people I have spoken to complain just from the cost of the 50 million dollars to make a bid, let alone how much the actual cost of the Olympics would be if Toronto were to get them.
  7. The border would definitely need a plan, and it COULD possibly work if they were to allow Olympic delegates and athletes to obtain status that is practically identical to NEXUS status. For those who don't know, NEXUS is a program where citizens of Canada or the US, where they do a criminal background check, and once they deem you to be low risk, allow you to have a NEXUS card which allows you to use NEXUS lanes at port of entries in Canada or the US. The NEXUS Lane at a customs plaza is kind of like an E-Z Pass Lane, sure, it's not as fast as an EZ Pass Lane, but it's a lot quicker than the regular lanes. As I am a NEXUS member myself, 99% of time I cross going into the US, it is, "Where are you headed? Anything to declare?" and then I'm on my way. Of course, if they do a spot check, which I have had once, and if you have any sort of infraction, you are instantly removed from the program (possibly for life). Most athletes and delegates I assume will not have had any criminal history, so it COULD be possible to have temporary NEXUS status to allow for more speedy border crossings. But again, this is all easier said than done, an athlete may know a drug smuggler on the other side and get paid a large sum of money to bring it over to the other side as they will be "trusted travelers". Now imagine this same status given to a not so friendly country to Canada/US, say Russia for instance, do we really want to give someone from that country straightforward temporary access between our nations? These are all things as to why the border crossing idea probably wouldn't work. As for the palace, does it really matter if it's a fair trek up I-75? I mean the IOC is most likely going to demand Olympic Lanes anyways so they can easily get athletes up there. Couldn't SMART run temporary buses that act as express routes up there for the spectators? Although the Pan American Games are much smaller than the Olympics, this strategy was widely in place for getting to the Aquatics Center which was basically in the middle of nowhere so to speak. Again, this is only me thinking out loud. It would be like me discussing my fantasy St. John's, Newfoundland, winter olympics bid, but we won't go there. I'd like to make a note about isolated venues, the Caledon Equestrian Park, where the Equestrian events were held for Pan Am were impossible to get to by transit, mind you this same venue was the one they had in mind for the 2008 bid. Even if there's no transit access, is that absolutely neccessary to have, considering that the equestrian event will have over 10,000 spectators?
  8. Windsor may look nice on the map, but there's one thing all of you are forgetting. Windsor is in a different country than the United States, this isn't a problem if the two countries had something like a schengen agreement, but there is almost no harmonization of rules between Canada and the US. For instance, if I recall, Krakow's bid had some events scheduled in Slovakia I believe. That doesn't create much of an issue within the Schengen zone because going from Poland to Slovakia is essentially like crossing between states in the US. But not so between Canada and the US, so we will need athletes from certain countries in the world to get visas for both the US and Canada, doesn't sound too great. Also, suppose one athlete made a stupid move from Europe and has a DUI 5 years in his past, usually that won't make you criminally inadmissible to enter the US but it will indeed make you criminally admissible to enter Canada, the CBSA (Canada Border Services Agency) takes DUI extremely seriously. How would border crossings be mitigated, assuming that the Gordie Howe bridge is completed by 2024, which gives us an additional crossing. Do we close all Detroit-Windsor tunnel traffic off to Olympic delegates only? These are some things to think about, lets consider that there are many people who live in Windsor and work somewhere in Metro Detroit, mainly those in healthcare, an already congested border crossing can became insanely congested by even considering that the Olympics should be shared between Detroit-Windsor. Both sides of the border take their jobs extremely seriously, and something that may seem trivial is something huge for them. For instance, there was someone who was fined $600 for trying to smuggle beef in the US because he had a half eaten McDonald's burger in his vehicle he didn't declare, because absolutely NO meat, produce, or the sort can be brought into the US. If Detroit is going to do this, the whole event should be in the US, the issues of the border are not worth trying to work around. Don't bother building an Olympic Stadium, can't "The Big House" in Ann Arbor be good enough for an opening ceremony/athletics stadium? I'm not sure if that stadium has room for a track and field track but if it can accommodate one, I don't see why that venue is incapable of hosting.
  9. Is there anything wrong with building freeways, I'll tell you one thing it does promote, freedom. You want to board a bus or train and squeeze in with people, meanwhile hearing babies cry and what not. My avatar is a shield for the freeway in Brampton that led to its growth, that is Highway 410. Freeway expansion seems to be discouraged in today's bizarre thought process of thinking, they always like to say induced demand and the "obese man and belt analogy". The problem with this analogy is that it assumes that being a large city is bad in the first place. People in North America WANT to live in suburbia, if they didn't the developers wouldn't be building houses now in the boonies now would they? I know there are many, especially me generation, the millennials who prefer urban living, but to suggest that suburbia is finished is not right at all, suburbia exists because people like it. Because Toronto cancelled many freeway projects in the early 1970s, thanks to NYC protester, Jane Jacobs, the city was promised that it would indeed focus on transit......since that decision, only about 3 miles of subway have opened since then and nothing else....that's one of the main reasons why Toronto and the GTA is in the pickle its in congestion wise because they refused to build anything. Consider that Highway 401, which is the busiest freeway in North America and the widest, that has came to be because of the status of Hwy 401, it's the only road that will take you to Quebec or Michigan that passes through Toronto, so it is a VERY important trade corridor. Since this is the status of the only road, it thus becomes jammed, unlike you LatinXTC in Houston, if you were on I-10 and wanted to go past Houston, you could easily use one of the beltways and drive around the city, it may take longer, but certain times of the day I could imagine it would be much quicker. You can't really do that in Toronto unless you go on the private, fully electronic, most expensive toll road in the world known as Hwy 407 ETR. But I won't go there. And Latin, if you are trying to say that freeways are bad, why don't you try using METRO a few weeks and see how you like it.
  10. But even if an express tram, or LRT, call it what you will is built from Union (assuming it uses the same station that the 509 Harbourfront Route does) to the Portlands, how exactly does that affect the rapid transit priorities that are needed RIGHT NOW in Toronto? Did you happen to know that Line 1 in our system is busier than any subway service in The Big Apple? I am specifically speaking about the "Downtown Relief Line", which hopefully uses Queen or King as the street it generally runs parallel to. An Olympics in Toronto makes that a priority exactly? As far as I can see, no potential venues would be in the path of a DRL, so how would that make it a priority? As for the Portlands LRT, or the Olympic LRT, it's all fine and dandy if you can actually get the portlands turned into a good community of sorts after. Things don't always work out to plan, remember how they said that knocking the Gardiner down by Leslie would revitalize that area......what revitalization is there exactly, a Canadian Tire.....that's really all that got built there. If Toronto is actually serious about pushing through with 2024, wouldn't it be more cost effective, and also more strategic to build an Olympic Stadium and pool at Sheppard/Allen in Downsview Park?
  11. I don't know what exactly will happen in Rio next year, but there is one thing that is a given to happen. "Hino Nacional Brasileiro" WILL be heard a LOT more than "O Canada" in medal ceremonies and that is a fact.
  12. I would like to believe that, but if it comes to building a metro, considering that I've been following the Spadina Subway extension way back when it was approved in 2005....and it's still two years away speaks volumes, with how slow the progress of going through EAs, and construction and what not, as well as dealing with the NIMBYs, If the century old "Downtown Relief Line" (I really do not like that term by the way because it's not specific enough) finally does get approved because of an awarded bid for 2024, do you honestly think that the downtown line will be from late 2017 to when the Olympics begin in 2024. So if we can't have a subway realistically done in time, for sure, the athletes and IOC elitists will get everywhere by "Olympic Lanes", spectators, and consider at least 70,000 or so of them going for Opening/Closing Ceremonies as well as Athletics events, obviously having the stadium and aquatics center next to the subway system seems like something that is a must. I honestly think since not having a rapid transit line that can easily transport you to these stadiums, wherever they may be, the only sensible solution will be to build an "Olympic Park" of the aquatics and stadium right next to the "Downsview Park" station that is currently under construction. Having the centerpiece to the games up there in the middle of nowhere isn't exactly ideal, but I think it's the only way we could do it right now, would look bad for showcasing us on TV, it would almost be kind of like holding a Detroit olympics of the 1980s with using the Silverdome as the olympic stadium. If you want to revisit using the Port Lands like in 2008, even from that plan, what was the plan to get spectators to and from the Port Lands? Tons and tons of TTC buses won't do the trick, you'll have to do much better than that.
  13. So MisterCorporate, are you willing to just throw 20 billion dollars of our tax money away for a three week party? Mind you that's a very conservative estimate on the price of an Olympics. You obviously know where I reside, am I in the "outer outer suburbs" as you describe, because I consider myself as living in the GTA. The municipal borders of Toronto may end at Steeles Avenue at the north, and the Etobicoke Creek at the west, but you and I both know that the city does not magically end at these legislated boundaries. What goes on in Peel and York is for sure important to how the GTA functions as a whole. Not just Torontonians have a say on this issue, even with events that will of course happen in other municipalities in southern Ontario, you have to remember that there will be a lot of tax money that will be spent by both Queen's Park and Ottawa on the Olympics. So yes, these redneck geriatrics that you seem to hate so much have an equal say as you do presumably in your glass box in the sky, as there money, just like yours will be spent on this boondoggle.
  14. Anger from our friends in Beantown killed their bid. I spoke to a PhD student outside the Markham venue on Sunday about the Olympic bid. She was doing a survey about the ParaPan Am games, we had a fairly long conversation but she agreed with me and knew her stuff in that going for Toronto 2024 would be a total waste. Why is it that governments are willing to pour billions into the five ring circus, but not willing to pour billions to build real rapid transit in Toronto. If you recall the long debates in previous years, we couldn't afford subway lines, we could only afford LRT, blah blah blah. I've been saying it since I first came on to this site, TORONTO NEEDS TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE. And by that I mean everything, rapid transit and freeways, yes evil freeways which city dwellers hate so much. Hosting the olympics would be nice, but they'd have to do a lot more than Agenda 2020 to make it feasible and desirable for everyone involved. Many articles you will find about the Olympics being the poison pill. I tend to agree with them, for your information, I am not anti-Olympics, I went to many events during the Pan American Games: Rugby Sevens, Artistic Roller Skating, Squash, Handball, Swimming, Modern Pentathlon, Athletics, and Racquetball For the Parapan American games I have went to: Table Tennis, Swimming, Athletics and have the final for wheelchair basketball. But what I do want to see with the Olympics is control, and at this point I still do not trust the incredibly corrupt IOC one bit.
  15. Ok, intoronto, look at the real world, read those comments from that Toronto Star article you posted, and just tell me how many are in favor of a bid. I read every comment and could not find one supporting the idea. Yet for being the realist, I am somehow seen as being the troll here.
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