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And here's the logo for the 2014 World Cup: I think it's OK...

The Ibirapuera track is the home of athletics in SP and one of Brazil's. If something is done to it, the athletes will need a new place to train... However I agree it could be better used, although it is already used for concerts... I was there at the Rolling Stone + Bob Dylan's concert...

It won't be a white elephant and it may make some profit, but this is not the question Danny! Is it the best way to invest public money? Is it the best way to have finantial and social resturns? Well, all this BNDES money could go the better investments for the nation. For me it is like Federal Government is a bad investor, even though it could make some profit, therefore comprimising the development's spped of the country. And don't forget the money will be paind back with BNDES's interests, well below comercial interests and SELIC's rates... I'm also excited about Palmeiras' arena and I hope it will host SP's matches. São Paulo MUST do whatever is the best for the city and, form me, a new stadium isn't the best...

Comon Danny! Formula One takes place every year and the track is already there... WC takes place, perhaps twice ina century in the same country and, most certanly, a stadium won't be used twice without major renovations... Why? How can you be so sure about it? Are all countries the same? Do all of the countries are under the same political and economic circunstances? I said perhaps is a personal complex and you still haven't explained to me how "São Paulo have other priorities" means "SP is better"... Don't worry, I won't talk about it anymore...

You have the right to wish a new modern stadium in SP funded by public funds, but I'm just asking you to think if it would be really good for the city despite you think it would be good for you. I'm interested about most host cities, since most of them will make use of resourses from a federal institution (BNDES).

Explain to me why "São Paulo have other priorities" means "SP is better" then...

Perhaps a personal complex... Doesn't make any sense "São Paulo have other priorities" means SP is better... Of course both things can be done! But why should it? What is the best for SP? Why? And how will the general population of SP benefit from it? PS: I'm a Corinthinas Supporter...

You talk as there's money to spare in SP... If you agree it's not a priority and SP can't find a private investor, what a sensible administrator should do? Of course SP could pay BNDES back, but the question is: Should SP take this money to host a WC? Why? These are not rethorical questions. Feel free to answer them... EX: I could borrow money from a bank to buy a new car and easily pay back in several years, but do I need new car? How will a new car improve my life? Will this debt be woth in 5 years time? You are answering some questions before identifying them...

Of course a the state of SP with a debt of R$155 billion and the city of SP with a debt of R$45 billion, with several problems on health care, education, mass transport, etc. should have the WC as a priority...

Have you ever wondered that, perhaps, SP is called the "Heart of Brazilian economics", exactly because of the pragmatism and austerity on private investments? Private sector survive on profit and maybe it can't see it in this case. If this is the case, here's one more reason for the governments not to spend money on this FIFA's extravaganza.

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/copa-do-mundo/noticia/2010/06/morumbi-esta-fora-da-copa-2014.html I really hope a new stadium won't be build financed by public money... It looks like it will...

It is Brazil's problem, isn't it?! I wrote 5 words in two posts and you assumed a hole bunch of opinions. You need start reading carefully. Post: OTO - I suggest your planning committee start ripping out seats and reconfiguring now. My answer: World Cup 2014... Means: start reconfiguring seats now would be impossible before World Cup 2014 Then: Post: OTO - That's Brazil's problem. My answer: Exactly! Ironically means: Yes, it is Brazil's problem, so whatever you say here changes nothing. Do you get it now?

I didn't say anything you wrote above. Read carefully my previous posts again and turn "Irony mode" on for the last one. I'm actually defending your point of view... It's a mater of chronology, not priority or competence...

Exactly!

World Cup 2014...

Had to read another thread (link) by chance to understand what you are talking about...

Being just below 6 ft isn't short at allt! I'm about 5'11" (1,80m)... Perhaps I didn't get you joke... There's been 25m FINA World Swimming Championships since 1993. It isn't something new...

FINA administrates competitions with two lenghs of swimming pools. Short - 25m Long - 50m During the Olympics there are only long-course competitions (Olympic-size = 50m).

During 2009's national league, the teams from São Paulo had an attendance's average ranging from 15k to 20k. There are three main stadiums in the city. Threir capacities are: Morumbi (SPFC): 70.000 (65.000 after the WC) Parque Antartica (Palmeiras): 30.000 (45.000 after planned renovations) Pacaembu (Municipal and used mainly by Corinthians): 40.000 (needs renovation) If the stadiums we already have are more than sufficient for our needs, why should public money be spent to build a new one? I would only spend some money to renovate Pacaembu Stadium, which has a lot of "charm" and is home of one of the best football museums in the world.

Fair enough!

I'm not saying the people responsable for writing those words in Sydney should be given a free pass. I think that if they were found, they should clean the opera house with their own hands. However, I wouldn't compare this to what happened in Rio. You all enjoy an aceptable level of freedom nowadays, in part, due to this kind of "vandalism". Otherwise most of us would still be living under a totalitarian monarchy... Now, what happened in Rio, although being a consequence o social issues in Brazil, is pure vandalism, since it doesn't help a greater cause at all. Rules were created to be changed. It's happened and it will continue to happen...

Wait a minute! You cannot compare a "NO WAR" protest on the Sydney Opera House with the act of pure vandalism in Rio. I'm sorry, but I fully agree with the person who wrote those words on the Sydney Opera House... I don't think he (she) is a idiot vandal... Man... You keep falling into his trap time after time... Just let it go!

FIFA dennied this information hours after its release yesterday... Also, São Paulo's mayor declared there's no "plan B". http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/brasil2014/interna/0,,OI4378645-EI10545,00.html http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/brasil2014/interna/0,,OI4379816-EI10545,00.html I think Morumbi will host SP's matches even if it means the opening match will be elsewhere. I'm not a huge fan of Gilberto Kassab (the mayor), but I think it's a sensible choice not to spend public money in a new stadium, if Morumbi can be renovated with private money. Even if it means the opening match won't be in SP... As a "paulistano", I'm not willing to pay my part of something like U$300.000.000 in order to host an opening match for a World Cup... Personally, I see no shame in that..

It would be beautiful, but there's no way to happen. Manaus has only 4.000 hotel rooms now and 5.000 more are planned for 2014. Besides, the planned stadium will have 52.000 of capacity and the opening venue must have over 60.000. Personally, I think São Paulo has around 90% of chance to get the opening match, Rio 7% and Brasília 3%... A pure guess based on some facts...

I think these cities are not in danger to get more rooms that they need, since the funding for providing the hotel rooms is 100% private. What is in danger is to fulfill the necessary requirements to host it, including acommodation. FIFA and CBF should be concerned about it... My personal concern is about the public financing extravaganza to build the stadiums and infrastructure which might not serve well for the basic needs of the Brazilians after the WC. I think all this money could be invested in a better way... I'm not saying it will happen the same with Brazil because it's a bigger country, but the OG in Athens in 2004 is one of the causes of Greece's current situation. Anyway! Let's not get into this idscussion again!