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  1. Staying at one of my friends places. But I’m going solely for the first two days then fly back. Will fill you in on that later. Just wanted to be in the atmosphere. So the question now is do we meet at a bar or are we going to head down to odaiba where the second cauldron will be?
  2. I’ll be there by then. Do you want to meet up somewhere to view the opening ceremony or do you have plans for that?
  3. Hey everyone. I didn’t know if this is something you all have done in the past but I just thought I’d throw it out there to see who’s interested? For those of us headed to Tokyo for the games do you all feel like actually meeting up in person maybe at a bar to watch an event or at the cauldron in Odaiba? I was in Tokyo during the Rugby WC and though I didn’t go to any of the matches it was still excellently fun watching the matches at some of the viewing spots. I’m finalizing my trip now but for those of you who have already done so what are your thoughts on a meet up?
  4. Who's going to Tokyo 2020 and is there going to be a Gamesbids meet up? I'm trying to finalize my plans now.
  5. Maybe instead of doing a host city just simply do a hoist country like the World Cup. That way it maximizes a country’s ability to use existing facilities in different regions so they don’t need to build things. Sure the parade of nations might need to be reworked due to the fact that the athletes would have been spread out in preparations for their event but it sounds like the games have gotten to large for just one city to host. I haven’t been here in awhile so forgive me if that suggestion was already made
  6. To be honest with the state of the race as it is and as much of an LA supporter as I am to me it doesn't matter which one gets it first. I have always believed that the two bids are equally as strong and that arguments working for one works for the other. So I look at it more from the standpoint of what the IOC might need. Do they go with LA that can basically host the games tomorrow first or do they go with Paris which covers the European games part? That's a toss up. Bach already said that Europe is the focus But here a thought though. The issues the IOC faces in when it comes to Europe is not the fact that Europe is begging to have the games there it's the opposite no? Why are they trying so desperately to get the games back to Europe when cities are turning away from them? But back to your question I would like LA to get it first but I just want them to get it so 2024 or 28 doesn't personally matter and I think either would be great I just would hate for the runner up to have to do all this crap again when they both have already proven to be strong.
  7. FYI and Quaker You all have valid points but you're forgetting something this is an American city and American cities seldom take losing well...and thats from the public stand point up to investors. So you can assume all you want that they're just doing this till they win but judging from the American track record once their city gets to the candidate stage they pretty much are their to win or go home. 2) All of the things you all said are true but you all are ignoring that the situation now in 2017 is not the same as it was back in 96 and even 2010. You both have written prior to this that LA has been trying to bid since Atlanta and yes of course LA was trying to bid again, the world was a different place then and the Olympics was at one of it's peaks. You all have to admit that a potentially Massive corruption scandal, the fact that 8 cities have dropped out of the race in the last 3 bids due to public backlash, and growing terroristic concerns are going to make any city think twice about bidding in the 2020 years. Back in 96 9/11 didn't happen, the hardship of Athens didn't happen, sochi and beijing didn't happen trump didn't happen, and 8 referendums didn't happen. All I am saying is if I am someone who has been deeply enthused about something but then I realize the landscape has drastically changed since I set out on this journey I am going to think twice before I jump in again. One messed up cycle can be dismissed but 3 is a pattern that can't be ignored and when you take that into account plus this hole bizarre concept of "American Exceptionalism" (I'm not from the US), that is ingrained in the minds of people here, losing this time does not equate to a return for 2028 ESPECIALLY seeing 2028 isn't even a guaranteed win. No American city in these times will put themselves up to lose twice in a row.
  8. I see your point but you have to admit times are changing. Yes LA loves the idea of bidding for the Olympics but you have to remember the enthusiasm in LA over the last 30 years was to get them to be the USOC candidate city. That's was the stage they were repeatedly trying to get too for the last like 20 something years. Hence the idea of LA bidding over and over again for the Games that most people here have is actually LA bidding over and over again to be the USOC's candidate city. Now that that has been accomplished and they are now the candidate city, we can't just assume that they will be as enthused to do the same process over again in 2028. Public fatigue will set in and support will dwindle and in a social media world where online frustrations are easily vented and dispersed that has spelt doom for many returning cities in the last couple of cycles. Yes Paris has bid repeatedly and lost the games but the USOC has also had some embarrassing losses and may say "Hey lets wait this out" It's hard to get any major city behind a second go around at an Olympic bid in these post Beijing / Sochi and city wide referendum times. Public support for bidding again will go down cause the average joe doesn't understand the politics behind these bids, they just say we were told no and go pout in a corner and where as before government officials would just up and bid again, the general public has become extremely well organized to push referendums through. No public official wants to go through that so I truly do say most likely neither Paris nor LA will return after a loss based solely on the fact of the possibility of the public losing interest after the loss This latest scandal that is rocking the IOC is sure to turn off a lot of major cities from bidding for 2028. Calling into question the 2016 games the 2022 vote tally mishap the 2020 payments is disastrous for the IOC's image, worse yet if it is proven to be true. So again I have to conclude that the IOC needs to award both games now cause these two strong candidates will not be going through the process for a second time while the IOC's skeletons get flushed into the press.
  9. Yep I agree with this. I feel this is really irresponsible for Bach to say. If you come back you'd have an advantage. For 1 it's not a guarantee that the returner will win and 2 it's now a blatant announcement that the playing field will not be even for new bidders. He needs to over ride these members and simply bite the bullet and and award both games. I agree Paris isn't coming back but I don't think LA will either not so soon at least maybe 2032 but they can't justify it to the local public for a second go around with this. Bach and the IOC can't afford to hedge there bets to the loser returning knowing full well they have a volatile Europe and a short attention span US. Award both games and figure out what to do about 2032's process
  10. Looking at some of your comments to me it isn't even an LA entitlement and arrogance situation. You all have to ask yourself simply what does the IOC need right now? not what they needed before or wanted. cause if that's the case Paris wins hands down. But the IOC needs packed stadiums gushing fans financial assurances no transportation strikes. they just need good PR right now and LA could almost guarantee that. Yes there is the Trump factor working against them but Trump isn't organizing the games and really and truly has nothing to do with it until he (heaven forbid) has to open the games 7 years from now but other than that it's the city ad the people LA's mass development projects that you can actually see taking shape is getting folks ready
  11. Said it from the start before US even selected a candidate city...LA is the safest choice for the IOC to chose right now at this present moment for to fit their needs. I know you could probably find thousands of voters in LA who would sign a NO-LA petition but the support for the games here is too strong to be denied by any onlooker. LA 84 was such an experience here for folks that they're willing and I wasn't even born in this town or even alive when it happened. Calls for a referendum in Paris though unlikely could possibly hold traction. LA not so much folks I get it we have some folks here who've factored out this race as a Paris win not because they support Paris but because they're students of history of these races but this is not a typical year and the IOC is not in the commanding position it usually is in. LA will get 2024 whether they award both games at the same time or not. the city is just too ready to deal with all possible fall outs and though Paris can also do the same, in Europe revolution in one country can often spill into another. German Italy Hungary Switzerland all had referendums on this and lost People in Paris aren't blind to see and ask questions as to why what's going on why should we foot this bill. LA folks saw Boston's referendum and got energized.
  12. Look if we can really be honest here Trump is a jackass but he knows how to pic a winner. When I heard about the travel ban I was like it's over LA is out but Trump supporting the LA2024 bid came out of left field to me. Like I said on the games bids article, don't give me that he's the president he has to support the bid mess. this is Trump he doesn't do anything out of protocol. Especially for a city that hates him, a mayor that dislikes him and works for the other party and an even that is in direct opposition of his policies. I think Trump sees himself opening the games in 2024 in his last year as president if he happened to make 2 terms and let us not kid ourselves that that isn't a possibility no matter how dark and disappointing that would be but he managed to win it this time against the odds and all conventional forms of wisdom, what is to say he doesn't again. I feel nauseous writing that. Back to the point though I just don't see him supporting this if he had a doubt it would lose and that leads me to think there is something the white house and LA2024 knows that we don't. i.e. the back room conversation of the IOC voters.
  13. As someone who is thoroughly against him and stand against everything he says and does, I say this, if he's backing the bid I think it's going to win. That sounds so weird but I am actually really shocked he is publicly supporting the bid. I know some of you might be saying that he has too because he's president but you all need to remember this is Donald Trump a man that flies off the handle at any preconceived slight and Mayor Garcetti has not been one of his closest friends to say the least. the comment that he earlier made about Trump causing concern among Olympic Voters did not go unnoticed. Trump is a man that despite every despicable thing he said and did managed to win the US election not off of emotions of the voters but logistics, for some reason he knows how to pick a winner. If he doesn't get along with the mayor of LA and the bid is going against his travel ban I am left to question what is his motive for supporting the bid since Trump is a 5 year old temper tantrum malice holding individual? And I know it isn't his bid but I sense he's trying to maneuver himself to say that if LA wins it's because of him. (The narcissistic jackass) I just felt uneasy when I found out he was so gleefully supporting the bid even though The city, the Mayor and the bid committee are so against him and his policies The race might be more in reach for LA than even the most ardent LA supporters think
  14. Boy I was thinking that exact same thing. As a major LA2024 supporter I have to concede this is pretty much the death nail of our campaign. Our 1 glimmer of hope is if Le Pen wins the France Elections in May because she's basically the Trump of France and then it cancels 1 crazy for the next But come to think of it if that happens then Budapest starts to look plausible even though they had there own run in with the refugee crisis. Wow the 2024 race is not turning out as fun as I'd hoped it would. It's been hijacked by ego maniacs. Hopefully Trump can stay at home during the final presentation. We do not need him reminding voters why not to Vote for LA at a time we should be showing why they should be.
  15. Wow! How the 2024 race has changed over these last 2 years. For the most part we were all excited about this cycle due to the plethora of strong possible Candidates. Rome the early front runner for 2020 was back in the mix after bowing out of the previous cycle, Hamburg beat Berlin to be Germany's city of choice. Paris coming into the mix for the centennial. The USA doing extensive ground work with 35 cities to narrow down to Boston. and whispers from Toronto and Budapest. Then one by one IOC tragedy befell one city after another, to leave us simply with 3 choices. I know, long winded but I say all of that to say 2024 looked rosey as too. It was supposed to be the uptick from the 2022 Winter Race and the 2020 Summer bid. I'm sorry but I don't think the IOC can afford to keep saying "Next cycle will be better" I agree with the assessment of the article and I can't predict what they will do but my advice would be to piss some people off now by awarding LA and Paris the Games of 24 and 28 and let the 11 years heal the wounds of whomever feels slighted. The IOC needs to figure itself out. It needs time to really think about it's place in society and in the changing face of geopolitics. Yes it would be an admission of weakness but truth is ignoring the fact makes you look even worse. You'll just continue to get really bad press that boils over into an almost FIFA like downfall. Personally I don't think France or the USA will come back for 2028 if they were to lose. Times are changing in both countries. The right wing movements are really taking hold. I agree LA shows a stronger chance of coming back, more due to the fact that as of now the money being spent on infrastruction isn't really being marketed as for the Olympics but for everyday use so people aren't really associating cost with the Olympics. In addition to that we here are really excited about the improvements. I just don't think the USOC will take losing 3 times well. The IOC will also have a problem if the USOC decides to focus on the 2026 winter race instead. No word has been sounded yet on a city but folks have been waiting to see what happens with LA24 first, I am sure, before the chatter about 2026 heats up. As for the possible 2028 contenders, I just feel like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who you start off with anymore. It's who makes it to the end and more variables affect the race now than in previous cycles when a list of 9 had to be whittled down to 5. So I say cut your losses now and award the games to both cities, when you have two of, quite frankly, the most capable cities you could possibly have to bid in any cycle of the games, than risk neither coming back and Brisbane and Melbourne deciding at the last minute not to bid for 2028 Toronto again getting cold feet and Sochi being the saving grace of your Organization after you publicly humiliated them on the international stage. I think the real question is who should get 2024 first and who gets 2028? I know you may think I am biased but I truly think LA should get it first in a case like this. with much of the venues already in existence. Give Paris more time, to construct.
  16. Right but as you said it's a historic city, so you're proving my point that it's already a well known city and if that's the case then how does that differ from LA? both have surrounding areas that may not be as poplar as the central location so the argument from the article to me, seems mute.
  17. Interesting read again I'll personally state that I think LA will get it but yes I am somewhat biased seeing I live there but all things considered I think LA will inch past paris at the end. Now to this article the one point I took issue with was this section. "It went on to explain that Los Angeles wouldn’t be able to benefit from the additional branding and exposure typically connected with hosting the Games because the world renowned city is “already well known to people and businesses all over the world because it has hosted the Olympics before and appears constantly in films and on television." The statement may be true on it's own but to the voters wouldn't they deduce the same would be true for Paris seeing it technically is an even more well know city than LA?
  18. Just read the games bids article about the Parisian Mayor talking to the candidates for French president to all publicly support the bid due to what is happening in Rome. I know Hollande is fully behind the bid but do we know if the other possible candidates are strongly against it or not? I know there is concern about LePen but what about the others?
  19. To be honest the truth is LA has a wealth of world class venues that they can host different events in throughout the city so do these additions necessarily change the narrative not real in my opinion. I agree with the point that moving more events out of USLA so that the athletes have those arenas for practice is a great idea and an obvious manifestation of their promise of delivering an "athletes games"
  20. Forgot finish it off - It still won't matter I'm choosing the best choice for me
  21. Here's the thing about how it looks. No one will care. That is a sad statement but NOC's will still send teams, Athletes will still want to go and compete, NBC will still televise the games. We will still complain, protest and shout down the decision to games time. Then the games will happen and after 2 weeks no one will care except the people of the country, maybe the legacy might be great for a Havana maybe it might go the way of Athens but that's the risk ladies and gentlemen with hosting the Olympics. And I completely understand your point about it not just being about cost but whatever the reason people don't want to deal with the IOC, there are others that are just jumping at the chance. And if the same countries who are not bidding because they have issues with the IOC are still sending large delegations in the hopes of winning gold and publicizing their national team's chances of winning medals then all you truly need as the IOC is a venue. I'm talking business here. That's why I say no one will care. Until NOC's and broadcasters and sponsors say no we aren't going to Havana then why should I deny Havana from bidding. To answer your question with the short list I really thought it was unnecessary, just chose the one you need. For the most part that's what the IOC does anyway. They chose the best choice based on their own needs at the time of the vote which they are allowed to do. If you have 9 cities putting in for the bid then let them go to the wire o, only one city will be chosen anyway. If a city is putting in a bid willingly then they need to accept responsibility that they are getting into bed with the IOC, that they are going to spend x amount of money etc etc. The IOC isn't forcing cities to bid but they NEED cities to bid. If I am like a Havana and I want to bid and I think I have a small chance to win then the IOC should just say Ok yes you can come just know that you are competing against cities like a Paris or LA and your chances are low. Then again cities usually know their competition before the official bids even start so the IOC doesn't need to manage your exception it's a competition based on a vote. I can't be mad as a bidding city that I spent a lot of money time and effort to bid for the games if I don't win the vote? That is competition. It's not for me as the IOC to tell you no, it's up to you as a possible candidate to evaluate your chances to win and the benefit in the event that you lose. If' after all of that you still bid and lose then its on you. There will only be one winner and whether or not you are a weak candidate that lost or a strong candidate that lost both will think they wasted time and money. So again if I am only choosing the best choice as defined by me from whatever applicant pool is left by the time of the vote if there are 3 weak bids in contention.
  22. OK so what you all are saying is that as an organization if all of the options that you said yes too drop out you'd rather have no Olympics than a drastically modified version to suit the location of a less than desirable choice? Cause quite frankly I'd just use that as an opportunity to scale down. The show must go on people. If Tulsa and Havana want to spend their money and time and their people are OK with that then who are you to tell them they shouldn't. And FYI this is a different situation than Rio I never said Rio shouldn't have bid I just said there were better options for the win, that's all. Besides that has to do with perspective, what side of the argument are you looking at. If I am from Rio I'd say hey I don't think we should bid because we have issues here that need to be dealt with, that's again, if i were from Rio but if i am the IOC, I need options and the thing is, the good choices are the ones that in recent years have been falling through. Soon it's going to come down to do I risk not having any choices in the end and possibly no Olympics at all or do I just allow all who are interested to put forward a bid and then select the best from whatever is left at the end.
  23. 1 more thing, 2022 is the perfect example of why you don't tell someone not to bid if you don't think they stand a chance. At the beginning of that race Beijing and Almaty were 5 and 6 on the totem pole compared to Stockholm Krakow, Oslo and Lviv. They weren't even on the radar. so if 4 cities dropped out for whatever reason in 2022 then the immediate next cycle we could possibly see another 4 drop out (Boston Hamburg Rome Budapest) I would definitely be rethinking that policy.
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