Soaring Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Could Singapore's win NEGATIVELY affect Tokyo's 2016 chances? Just thought I would raise this question to see what you all think. I think having Beijing 2008, then this vote for Singapore 2010 could maybe make IOC members think Asia is seeing too much action. It is early to say whether a YOG affects SOG decisions, but one could assume a reason why Moscow lost is because of Sochi 2014. Of course one is a country the other is a continent, but a connection can be made nonetheless. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldracer Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 As you say, it's early to tell, but it is a tick against the Tokyo bid in my opinion. Nevertheless, I am supporting S Korea for the 2018 WG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Rols Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hmmm. I'm unconvinced. We still really don't have any agreement about whether the winter games hosting results affect the summer games bids. And I still think the YOGs will be a distant third in profile behind the two senior games. Still, as we've said many times before, every single vote counts, and if this gives just one IOC member the idea that they've already done Asia its share of favours lately, well, it will have an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCD 2012 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Possibly , but don't Europe had 2004 , 2006 & 2012 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 It will have very little affect -if any. It would be more likely for Vancouver 2010 to influence the prospects for Chicago 2016 as it is a much bigger event, however, this won't have much affect either really. The only continent with little chance of being awarded the 2016 Games is Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggler Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Hard to tell if there are any negative influences because this will be the first YSOG and we don´t have any references in how this will affect upcoming bids in the same region/continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aronious Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Although they might be in the same continent Singapore and Tokyo really are in different leagues. When the IOC thinks Asia, the think SEA, Middle East, India/Pakistan, Japan, Mainland China+Central Asia. Maybe had Busan bid and won Tokyo's chances may have been slightly affected but not by Singapore no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 well yes. As I said here ( in a post in another thread): Singapore's selection to host the 2010 YOG also signifies that the IOC likes to spead things around, i.e., not giving it to Moscow since Russia had already won 2014 for Sochi in Guatemala last summer. So I don't think Rio should fool itself into thinking that 2014 will NOT be a big impediment to their 2016 ambitiions. IOC members have already said that 2014 coming before 2016 is NOT very promising. So it could very well be an indication that in a decade Asia might have its full share of the IOC products: 2008 - Beijing, 2010- Singapore, and certainly PyongChang will line up for 2018 -- so that'll squeeze Tokyo out for 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave199 Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 well yes. As I said here ( in a post in another thread): Singapore's selection to host the 2010 YOG also signifies that the IOC likes to spead things around, i.e., not giving it to Moscow since Russia had already won 2014 for Sochi in Guatemala last summer. So I don't think Rio should fool itself into thinking that 2014 will NOT be a big impediment to their 2016 ambitiions. IOC members have already said that 2014 coming before 2016 is NOT very promising. So it could very well be an indication that in a decade Asia might have its full share of the IOC products: 2008 - Beijing, 2010- Singapore, and certainly PyongChang will line up for 2018 -- so that'll squeeze Tokyo out for 2016. You mention the fact that Moscow lost out because another city in Russia already was awarded a Winter Olympics. What you failed to do is mention that it's totally different since these are bidding cities from the same country. If Osaka bid and won these YOG, then obviously Tokyo's chances at the 2016 SOG would be diminished. Singapore's win won't have much effect on Tokyo's bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearcrossuk Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 I suspect that the short period between beijing 2008 and 2016 will count against Tokyo more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyelBrazil Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Not much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 I think Beijing will have much more of an effect. By October next year the spectacle of a massive Olympics in Asia will be deeply embedded in every IOC members' mind. That could work either way for Tokyo. The future YOGs will not have anywhere near the same effect as fresh memories of a Chinese megalympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 .Singapore's win won't have much effect on Tokyo's bid. It will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCD 2012 Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Actually , Singapore's win also affect Chicago . Singapore was a favourite in this race . This means a favourite won the first time since Vancouver . A good sign for Chicago ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huaiwei Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 I think Beijing will have much more of an effect. By October next year the spectacle of a massive Olympics in Asia will be deeply embedded in every IOC members' mind. That could work either way for Tokyo.The future YOGs will not have anywhere near the same effect as fresh memories of a Chinese megalympics. Agreed, but IOC members are notoriously inconsistent on this one, including the IOC itself. The Moscow bid team cited their selection as a finalist by the IOC as evidence that IOC dosent find it a problem having the Olympics held in the same country within 4 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Tokyo really need to sell themselbes any way they can in Beijing - and my sources indicate a huge push is underway. The Singapore win may be seen as a blow - but the Japanese know how to win these things when they go all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 The effect of Singapore hosting 2010 YOG will probably have a very minor effect on Tokyo chances compared to Beijing hosting 2008. Besides, the Japanese are very well aware of the situation and, as Troy mentioned, will go all the way out to win these Games. PS: Baron, stop using the "new frontier" card when you support Chicago at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xu Wen-Ting Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I still think YOG and OG are different. I really hope that they are two different systerms for people to consider. About Beijing 2008, it still not a problrm for Tokyo i think. 2010 2012 2014 are all in America and Europe, so Beijing 2008 is not a problem. About 2010 SYOG and 2012 WYOG are still in differet systerm to consider i hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron-pierreIV Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 PS: Baron, stop using the "new frontier" card when you support Chicago at the same time What r u talking about jeremie? When I did ever make mention of both in the same sentence? I don't recall doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 What r u talking about jeremie? When I did ever make mention of both in the same sentence? I don't recall doing that. I am not saying that you mentioned it in the same sentence. I was just stating that saying that the IOC is seeking new frontier and using it against Tokyo is a little rich coming from a Chicago supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Well, perhaps Jer. But on a city-by-city basis, Tokyo *has* already hosted, whereas Chicago has not. So not quite exactly the same parallel that you're trying to draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Well, perhaps Jer. But on a city-by-city basis, Tokyo *has* already hosted, whereas Chicago has not. So not quite exactly the same parallel that you're trying to draw. I am not "trying to draw" any parallel. Yea Tokyo has already hosted and Chicago has not. Still, IF (and that's a big IF) Rio is among the candidate cities (and who knows, even Doha), then the novelty certainly won't be on Chicago's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Well, your statement to Baron appeared otherwise. But anyway, perhaps Rio would have the novelty, but Doha, not really. Even you yourself (and you're even putting Doha in parenthesis here) & Rol as well, has said on these forums, that Doha may have the technical merit to make the short-list, but certainly wouldn't win. I for one, would love to see Rio make the S.L., & maybe actually win it. But I certainly wouldn't wanna see Tokyo host it again over the two continental American cities that haven't had the big IOC party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FYI Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Still, IF (and that's a big IF) Rio is among the candidate cities (and who knows, even Doha), then the novelty certainly won't be on Chicago's side. Nor would the 'novelty' be on Tokyo's side, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 For Chr*st sake. I have only stated the obvious: for a Chicago supporter to dismiss Tokyo because it's lacking the novelty factor could backfire! I never said Tokyo would be a novelty and never implied it. And, whether Doha has a chance to win or not is irrelevant. Organise a poll: Doha Vs Chicago, where is the novelty? No brainer. Does that mean that Doha should win over Chicago? Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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