SpikeyT Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Female ski jumpers demand Olympics inclusion Updated Fri. Jan. 4 2008 10:31 PM ET CTV.ca News Staff A group of women's ski jumpers are outraged their sport will not be included in the 2010 Vancouver Olympics. Led by former mayor of Salt Lake City and president of Women's Ski Jumping USA DeeDee Corradini, the athletes say failing to allow a women's ski jump event at the Games is more than just unfair -- it's a human rights issue. The group is holding a media conference at Whister's brand new Olympic ski centre on Saturday to demand the inclusion of the sport in the upcoming Games. Ski jumping and a related Nordic-combined event remain the only ones where women are not allowed to participate. Corradini, who helped secure the Olympic bid in Salt Lake City, says the exclusion of women ski jumpers is gender discrimination that goes against Canadian law. "It is against Canadian Federal and Provincial law to spend public funds on facilities (i.e. ski jumps) that discriminate," said a press release from her association in advance of the media conference. "The Whistler Olympic Park venue can accommodate the... individual competition recommended by the (International Ski Federation) without any additional capital expenditure." The International Ski Federation approved women's jumping for international competition by a 114 to 1 margin in 2006 and asked the International Olympics Committee to follow suit. However, the IOC still sees it as a sport in development, even though 135 women from 16 countries competed internationally in ski jump events in the 2006/2007 season. "There's always been some level of resistance on the part of the IOC to include a sport on the Olympic platform before it's really well established," the IOC's Dick Pound told CTV News from Montreal. Even if the IOC were to change its mind, time is ticking to include it on the 2010 roster. The Olympic charter states that the events must be determined no later than three years before the Games, but it leaves an opening for the deadline to be annulled with approval from the sport's international federation, the Olympics organizing committee and the IOC. With the recent opening of the new Whistler Olympic Park, members of Canada's highly ranked women's ski jumping team were among the first to try out the new jumps in the Callaghan Valley. For many, however, it also served to rub what they see as a rights issue directly in their faces. "Coming here is so exciting and it's so much fun," Canadian ski jumper Zona Lynch told CTV's Mike Killeen last Friday. "Then you're going up the chairlift and in the back of your mind you're like, 'I'm not going to be here for the Olympics. This sucks.'" (from: www.ctv.ca)
NYCD 2012 Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 And at the same time we can paint BC place pink and grow flower on the turf .
diva Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 I'm all for female integration - however for the life of me I have no idea why anyone - let alone someone sane - wants to throw themselves off a mountain. Just take the damn skilift down! I have never understood the whole ski jumping thing. I guess you need to be Japanese of German to get wood over that particular sport.
Faster Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Its the original extreme sport. I wouldn't be surprised if women's ski jumping and nordic combined be included in 2014, but the first World Championships is not until 2009, so....
baron-pierreIV Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Can't wait for the men's Rhythmic Gymnastics and Synchronized Swimming events at Chicago 2016!!
SkiFreak Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 I'm in support of women's ski jumping. They are training for it in calgary so why not include it. Should've been included along time ago. On a side note, I wonder why they still call it ski jumping when technically they don't jump. They glide. So rename it to ski gliding. I think the second jumper on the new ski jumps at Whistler Olympic Park was a girl from Calgary.
baron-pierreIV Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 I'm in support of women's ski jumping. They are training for it in calgary so why not include it. Should've been included along time ago. On a side note, I wonder why they still call it ski jumping when technically they don't jump. They glide. So rename it to ski gliding. I think the second jumper on the new ski jumps at Whistler Olympic Park was a girl from Calgary. Well, the athlete actually 'flies.' So maybe it should be called 'ski flying' or 'skifling'? Yeah, I like the 2nd one.
Faster Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 I'm in support of women's ski jumping. They are training for it in calgary so why not include it. Should've been included along time ago. On a side note, I wonder why they still call it ski jumping when technically they don't jump. They glide. So rename it to ski gliding. I think the second jumper on the new ski jumps at Whistler Olympic Park was a girl from Calgary. It shouldn't have been included at all, in fact Vancouver is the first games that women's ski jumping can be included under IOC protocols. A world championships must be in place before the IOC will allow it to be included. The first women's world championships is not until 2009, only a year before the Olympics. This does not allow the IOC to look at the level of competition and how many countries have viable athletes. The IOC does not want more sports like women's hockey and women's luge in the Olympics because of the sheer dominate of Canada and the USA and Germany respectively. If a few successful world championships can be held were 5 or 6 countries win medals, then the IOC will include it. But it still has a couple of years to go, 2014 if its lucky, 2018 realistically.
jawnbc Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 The IOC decided against the women, not VANOC. Herself is barking up the wrong tree--and, as a former mayor of SLC knows better. There is room in the sports schedule to add the women, if the IOC were to change its mind. And the Olympic Charter does have a (sort of) opt-out of the rules saying sports can be added last minute. At least as a demo sport the women's jump should've been included. <b>Bad IOC!
Faster Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 The IOC decided against the women, not VANOC. Herself is barking up the wrong tree--and, as a former mayor of SLC knows better.There is room in the sports schedule to add the women, if the IOC were to change its mind. And the Olympic Charter does have a (sort of) opt-out of the rules saying sports can be added last minute. At least as a demo sport the women's jump should've been included. <b>Bad IOC! Demonstration sports are now against IOC rules.
Faster Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 BTW, Baron there is something called Ski Flying already, its on hills higher than K-185 instead of K-90 and K-120
SpikeyT Posted January 6, 2008 Author Report Posted January 6, 2008 I have to agree in saying that there has to be more than just the USA and Canada wanting to compete in the ski-jump for females. I mean, is that not why softball was taken off the roster...due to USA dominance and no other nations stepping up?
Faster Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 I have to agree in saying that there has to be more than just the USA and Canada wanting to compete in the ski-jump for females. I mean, is that not why softball was taken off the roster...due to USA dominance and no other nations stepping up? I would assume there is also Norwegians, Germans and Austrians compete at a high level.
IceNarcissus Posted January 6, 2008 Report Posted January 6, 2008 Are there any fairly recent competition results of any kind to be able to debate which countries have dominance in women's ski jumping? I would be interested in seeing them. Somebody post up some stats. Chop chop!
Fox334 Posted January 7, 2008 Report Posted January 7, 2008 Last year's Continental Cup standing (top level for Women's Ski Jumping) 1. Anette Sagen, Norway 2. Ulrike Graessler, Germany 3. Lindsay Van, United States of America 4. Daniela Iraschko, Austria 5. Juliane Seyfarth, Germany 6. Katie Willis, Canada 7. Line Jahr, Norway 8. Jaqueline Seifriedsberger, Austria 9. Alissa Johnson, United States of America 10. Izumi Yamada, Japan
mr.x Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 wait until after 2010, when the women's event has actually held an international competition.
Faster Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 Exactly, honouring IOC protocols is part of the hosting contracts, deal with it.
SkiFreak Posted January 9, 2008 Report Posted January 9, 2008 From CTV News: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories Feds confirm they will push for female ski jumpingUpdated Tue. Jan. 8 2008 9:53 PM ET CTV.ca News Staff It's official: Canadian women ski jumpers now have two powerful allies in their quest to compete for Olympic gold in the 2010 games in Vancouver. In an announcement Tuesday, Canada's federal government and the Canadian Olympic Committee promised to step up the pressure to get female competitors the same chance to take flight as their male counterparts. "It's about equality," Helena Guergis, Canada's secretary of state for sport, told CTV British Columbia. "I'm looking for an opportunity to sit down and meet with them, all of us, to make our arguments as to why they should be reversing their decision," she said. It's the news 16-year-old ski jumper Katie Willis has waited a year to hear. "I can't believe it," an elated Willis told CTV News. "Awesome." The International Olympic Committee, which governs the Olympics, had grounded the jumpers, saying that women's ski jumping was not widely enough practiced in enough countries to be an Olympic event. But last year the jumpers complained to the Canadian Human Rights Commission, arguing the Canadian government shouldn't give hundreds of millions of dollars to an event they said was discriminating against women. Tuesday's settlement means that Canada will push the IOC to change its mind. But Dick Pound, Canada's senior Olympic official, says those lobby efforts will fall on deaf ears. The IOC has long said that there simply isn't the world interest nor the level of competition necessary to hold a ski jumping competition. "It's not the Canadian government that is hosting the event, it's the International Olympic Committee," Pound told CTV. "They have rules that are technical in nature and that's what's been applied here. "It's not a human rights issue, no matter how you dress it up," Pound said. "That's not what the issue is." The lack of female competitors in Olympic ski jumping is an accident of history. Any new Olympic event added since 1991 must include a competition for men and women. But ski jumping has been an Olympic sport since the 1924 Olympics, excluding the sport from the gender-equality requirement. Still, sports with a lower international profile have been allowed into the games, and only recently. Fourteen months ago, when the IOC voted to exclude the women, there were 83 women representing 14 nations, according to the International Ski Federation. But when the IOC voted to include another event, ski cross, there were only 30 women from 11 nations. In the case of women's bobsleigh, there were only 26 women from 13 nations, according to the ISF. There is precedent for the IOC to reverse its decisions, even at the last minute: only a short time before the games began, the IOC allowed women to participate in the marathon. And in 2002, women's bobsleigh and the sport of skeleton were added only about two years before the start of the games. The IOC didn't return phone calls Tuesday. With a report from CTV's Mike Killeen http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IceNarcissus Posted January 10, 2008 Report Posted January 10, 2008 Last year's Continental Cup standing (top level for Women's Ski Jumping)1. Anette Sagen, Norway 2. Ulrike Graessler, Germany 3. Lindsay Van, United States of America 4. Daniela Iraschko, Austria 5. Juliane Seyfarth, Germany 6. Katie Willis, Canada 7. Line Jahr, Norway 8. Jaqueline Seifriedsberger, Austria 9. Alissa Johnson, United States of America 10. Izumi Yamada, Japan Thanks for the list. It's a good start. But I don't think it proved anything just being a top 10. lol! But thanks anyways. I did do some research on my own however and found the full standings of the FIS' current cup seeking ladies ski jumpers and it is BRIEF: Only 49 athletes from 10 nations. Considering only a handful of normal hill events have been held and that many athletes do not appear in all events, what do those events look like? Very short! After seeing all of this I'm kind of insulted by the Feds wasting the IOC's time. There are SO MANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS AND/OR GENDER-SPLIT SPORTS that could use any weak-kneed decision to include women's ski jumping in Vancouver that the precedent set would mean absolute chaos and turmoil within several NOCs and potential bid cities. Get ready to pay to host male synchronized swimmers, male rhythmic gymnasts, bocce ballers, surfers, polo players, karate-choppers, dancers, etc. etc. and the thousands of people and millions of dollars required to provide to their needs. There goes ANY city wanting to host the games! Get over it, skichicks! If the maniac interpretation of the Charter to include sporting events for women were really true, why wasn't it brought up pre-2000 when Canada was selecting its 2010 candidate city? Sounds like a load of bull. There are more important things to life than getting a chunk of metal to wear around for parties. These athletes are doing anything but being loyal to the sport, they are being loyal to fame and fortune.
baron-pierreIV Posted January 10, 2008 Report Posted January 10, 2008 Would Dolly Parton make a good ski jumprix?
barrack Posted January 10, 2008 Report Posted January 10, 2008 I would take female ski jumping over trampoline.
Guardian Posted January 10, 2008 Report Posted January 10, 2008 Looks like the idea got shot down again by the IOC, due to "technical reasons." However, the fight is not over yet, according to news reports I read.
SkiFreak Posted January 10, 2008 Report Posted January 10, 2008 Would Dolly Parton make a good ski jumprix? Of course she would! With all that extra chest padding she wouldn't have to worry about crashing. That goes for Pamela Anderson as well.
AmaniS Posted January 14, 2008 Report Posted January 14, 2008 For those who have done the research, how are their performances. Are their distances that much shorter than men? Why do you need to seperate the sport?
baron-pierreIV Posted January 15, 2008 Report Posted January 15, 2008 Of course she would! With all that extra chest padding she wouldn't have to worry about crashing. That goes for Pamela Anderson as well. U mean IF they can even take off ... from the jump. I fear all that...extra front weight might prevent a take-off.
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