Callaghan Nordic Venue Scandal

[Kenadian]

I have a question about RCMP investigations. How do they come about? Is it because someone down at the RCMP office came up with a new or interestine piece of evidence? Or is it because someone on the outside with a particular interest in the matter requested or pressed for an investigation to be made?

[earseyeswideopen]

My work has been too consuming lately to spend much time on this site. However, I noticed a question unanswered on this thread:

I have a question about RCMP investigations. How do they come about? Is it because someone down at the RCMP office came up with a new or interestine piece of evidence? Or is it because someone on the outside with a particular interest in the matter requested or pressed for an investigation to be made?

Kendegra, your question is valid. My work involves many avenues of the justice system including the police and the Criminal Justice Branch of the Attorney General, the one division of the Attorney General's Ministry that operates independently and free from any political interference, unlike all of the other Government Ministries.

Police investigations, including the RCMP are instigated from one of the following:

• direct police work such as the huge Raid on the B.C. Campbell Govt. involving the sale of BC Rail, possible drug allegations within Govt., abuse of power etc. etc. which is headed to Supreme Court in the Spring of 2008;
  
• evidence received from the public via documentation or verbal information that is deemed to warrant further serious attention; given the stretched resources of all police forces, the information received must be credible in order for substantial time to be given to the matter at which time a file is opened; the interest of someone having a particular interest in something has NO bearing on whether the police decide to work on any given file. The evidence must be judged by the police to warrant their resources being applied to evidence obtained.
  
• direct submission of evidence from the Criminal Justice Branch of the Attorney General's Ministry.
  

For the record, there is a fine line between a police 'review' & an 'investigation'. It is unlikely that the police would announce to the world, when a review had grown into an investigation.

The police (including any municipal police force) can also request criminal law assistance from a Special Prosecutor from the Criminal Justice Branch, as we have seen in this case, active once again.

When a 'Special Prosecutor' is appointed, it is because of senior level government elected &/or bureaucratic officials involved with allegations of misconduct; to avoid any perceived &/or real conflict of interest with the government in a scandal, as opposed to the appointment of a crown prosecutor from the Attorney General's Ministry.

A Special Prosecutor is appointed by the Assistant Deputy AG of the Criminal Justice Branch from a private sector law firm. If charges are laid, it is the Special Prosecutor that prosecutes in court on behalf of the best interests of the public on criminal matters involving the government.

We may see another Special Prosecutor appointed again as this case continues although the police can recommend charges to the Criminal Justice Branch directly.

Unlike in other countries such as the United States, in Canada, Prosecutors of any kind, DO NOT investigate a case. It is the police that investigate & can choose to give the evidence to a criminal Special Prosecutor for advice etc. This does not even have to be announced to the public.

In the case surrounding evidence obtained by the RCMP Commercial Crime re: Vanoc & the Callaghan Valley Nordic Venue we have learned that the file has been opened for the third time, which in itself reflects the weight of importance the police are giving this file. Anyone with any knowledge of the criminal justice system knows this is a red flag.

If one reviews the articles posted on this thread it is clear why the allegations of conflict of interest/misconduct are being taken so seriously given the players roles within government & Vanoc & given the substantial profile of this case.

I hope the above answers your question, Kendegra & for any other viewers interested in the facts.

[earseyeswideopen]

If one reviews the articles posted on this thread it is clear why the allegations of conflict of interest/misconduct are being taken so seriously given the players roles within government & Vanoc & given the substantial profile of this case.

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. . . . . . what caught my eye was the "new evidence" re: the RCMP file.

[earseyeswideopen]

Fisher: Sorry for the delay in responding to your last post. As before, too busy with my own life adventures!!!! With all due respect you are missing the whole point of this story introduces to GamesBid after reading the recent media reports.

Don't you think it's odd that after the Civil Court trial, the RCMP Commercial Crime have chosen to give full attention to this file for the 3rd time, as reported in the media, after the Civil Case? Clearly the evidence submitted is significant given the time & expense the RCMP are giving to this file. Something is rotten in Denmark . . . this is a most unusual scenario.

The suspicious stench is clearly coming from the "players" named in the articles that are linked to Vanoc and originally involved somehow with the private operator being scuttled after they were chosen the "sole proponent" at the end stage of a government proposal call process, with an Attorney General's lawyer completing legal docs with the company.

Sorry, but 'thems the facts' that we all heard & read in the Vancouver Sun, The Province, the Globe & Mail etc, plus extensive coverage at the time of the trial, on every major TV station. The CBC National gave extended coverage clearly saying that this case could significantly impact the 2010 Olympics, because of the inclusion of the Callaghan Valley in the Bid. My friends & I remember it well because it was a fascinating trial & because of the high profile politicians involved - particularly a Premier who was forced to resign because of his well known misconduct on other projects related to Govt. This case involved his pal, the former Attorney General. P-L-E-A-S-E!

So what happened with the trial Judge's thinking when holding such evidence????? Did a little nudge, nudge, wink, wink happen somewhere along the process?

My circle of 'legal beagle' associates commonly roll our eyes where high profile political names, such as a Premier, former Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General, AG lawyer & senior bureaucrats are caught up in a major scandal, such as this; with their misconduct, exposed in the public eye after factual evidence hits the BC Supreme Court & is widely reported . . . . then like some bizarre episode of CSI, a Judgment comes down, where there is no jury, which stuns everyone having read the media reports &/or having been in the courtroom, that mysteriously 'dismisses' the case Wacko indeed.

One of our buddies is a senior Judge (who happens to belong to the majority of ethical Judges in our country who follow the Rule of Law) who offered up the following analysis:

"Anyone who believes that politics has not entered the court system, is seriously misguided."

Unfortunately, the Rule of vested interests seems to taint high profile political cases far too many times. The Judges in Canada are appointed NOT elected.

There are some superb Judges in our country. However, do some Judges weigh their decisions in light of their own career & future opportunities for promotion? Do you really believe the trial Judge cared about meting out justice to the private company & their investors . . . or the publics best interests given the cast of characters?

You be the 'judge' of that after you carefully reread the "Players" named in the articles posted on this thread.

[earseyeswideopen]

specifically, the proponents of Powder Mountain Resorts Ltd. were stopped from sharing their information by the Bid Committee through 'minion Manning'; the same people who, according to the articles I posted, had an active RCMP investigation going on at the same time as this IOC Technical team were visiting before the Prague Bid Selection

While I am here, I have noticed that the supposed referenced members of the IOC that haunt this site, have not come rushing forward to answer the questions raised on page 5 re: the above issue:

During the Bid stage, the 2010 Bid Corp blocked the truth from being heard by the IOC Technical Team prior to Prague re: the inclusion of the Callaghan Valley & the RCMP interest at that time.

Please come forth IOC members & shed some light on this issue & please tell all the other interested readers, including myself, if this situation having been active in 2003, would have impacted the selection in Prague a few weeks later?

. . . & now the RCMP are focused on the file again . . . . . sheesh?

[agenthuggles/agentr]

While I am here, I have noticed that the supposed referenced members of the IOC that haunt this site, have not come rushing forward to answer the questions raised on page 5 re: the above issue:

During the Bid stage, the 2010 Bid Corp blocked the truth from being heard by the IOC Technical Team prior to Prague re: the inclusion of the Callaghan Valley & the RCMP interest at that time.

Please come forth IOC members & shed some light on this issue & please tell all the other interested readers, including myself, if this situation having been active in 2003, would have impacted the selection in Prague a few weeks later?

. . . & now the RCMP are focused on the file again . . . . . sheesh?

Thanks for the last two explainations, to Kenedra's question.

You really are up on all this. So glad that you are looking it all up and following.

Yes ,I am too looking for the answers... You are doing great ,Eyesearswide open.

I see you had been gone for awhile to. MY scedule to is getting busier.

I can clearly see there are blocks for this new investigation

How is Vanvouver's garbage pick up going since the strike is over? Does anybody know?

What a mess that was.... and then the Business's losing out because of the roads construction, NOT PRETTY AT ALL. US TAXPAYERS ARE LOSING OUT ALL THE WAY !!

[fisher]

The fact remains that until you can post something that corraborates their story (and seeing that they had lots of investors that are still interested that shouldn't be hard), it is hard for me to believe the story of 2 poor ladies from West Vancouver.

With all due respect - you have yet to answer any questions on this subject or provide any information that may substantiate any claims/conclusions that you have drawn. The reason why I do not provide much weight to the story you have posted is beacause the article only interviewed the Hartwicks. The article also provides no actual information as to what evidence the police may be investigating, how long they have been investigating this new information, and how this information was obtained.

Throughout your defense of this story, you align yourself with people that are in the 'know', but coincidentally never mention any names. You claim that this is a HUGE coverup involving everyone in govt, vanoc, the media, the judicial system and developers. When someone asks for specifics, you conveniently point to this as to why there is no information available.

The PMR project was killed is the late 80's, 10 years before the NDP supported Vancouver to bid for the games, against 5 premiers ago (campbell, dosanjh, clark, johnston) and with party that doesn't even exist anymore. I am sure that when this project was killed, everyone that was mentioned was aware that vancouver would win an olympic bid 15 years later. Did I mention that Mrs. Hartwick at one time tried to run for that party. Hmmmm...

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You be the 'judge' of that after you carefully reread the "Players" named in the articles posted on this thread.

So post some information from the trial that makes you believe of the corruption. Hard facts that give us details. Links to other sites that have information. If you are well versed in law you understand what circumstantial means. Post facts about this case, not opinions about what happened which is what you have continued to provide. You can keep telling me what you believe and why you believe that but that is not going to sway me. I need facts, I need information. I will then make up my own mind. I don't just read names of people and go "wow look at all the names they mention. There must be something fishy here."

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[earseyeswideopen]

Thanks for the last two explanations, to Kenedra's question.

You really are up on all this. So glad that you are looking it all up and following.

Yes ,I am too looking for the answers... You are doing great ,Eyesearswide open.

I see you had been gone for awhile to. MY schedule to is getting busier.

I can clearly see there are blocks for this new investigation

How is Vancouver's garbage pick up going since the strike is over? Does anybody know?

What a mess that was.... and then the Business's losing out because of the roads construction, NOT PRETTY AT ALL. US TAXPAYERS ARE LOSING OUT ALL THE WAY !!

Welcome back, Agenthuggles - in our absence I see that our Avatars have disappeared - when the cats away the mice do play

Yes, unlike some posters on this site, we clearly have more on our plate than this forum, but glad to see your balanced input, again.

You're welcome about the re: the previous info posted in response to Kendegra's question.

Finally the Garbage is being removed - what a stinky mess that was not unlike what is being handed the business owners all along the RAV line construction - the politicians don't seem to believe their interests matter, yet they are suffering big time over this massive Olympic construction related make work project. You are right - the taxpayers are really taking a beating. The cost overruns are not nearly over & the taxpayers are going to pay big time. Just watch the Trade & convention center continue to sink into red ink - all being controlled by the same circle connected to Vanoc - good luck if your are not one of the club, which includes most all of the taxpayers of Canada.

[earseyeswideopen]

With all due respect - you have yet to answer any questions on this subject or provide any information that may substantiate any claims/conclusions that you have drawn.

Fisher, with all due respect, it is not my role to answer questions re: the facts I have obtained from these articles &/or info from the internet or to provide you with anything LOL!! I do hope the media brings it on full steam shortly, then we will all know more details.

The conclusions reached are based from the public information I have read on this scandal & the more recent events, posted here rather than in defense of any position!

It sounds like you have not heard any of the past extensive media coverage of this scandal which was comprehensive in quoting from the trial. Did you hear or read any of this as I did? The devil IS in the detail, Fisher

Based on all of this, my opinion is that this DOES stink & that there must be plenty to activate this RCMP file yet AGAIN, not to mention the Provincial Ombudsman, at the same time.

What I have noticed is that you carefully sidestep commenting on the facts presented & posted. Why are you so touchy??? You get very personal at times & seem very defensive as though that you have a vested interest . . . . hmmmmmm. This scandal should not be taken personally by you. It is just darned interesting to date!!!

You'd knock my socks off if you'd actually show you absorbed info & started questioning the obvious angles instead wearing your Vanoc/Olympic pom poms over your eyes & ears. I guess you find it more comforting being one of the head cheerleaders.

What is your opinion e.g. about the company being blocked from appearing before the IOC Technical team in 2003, prior to Prague, by the Bid Committee's, CEO Jack Poole's 'aide', Paul Manning; now we learn that there was a police investigation going on back then at the same time, & NOW it has resurfaced, yet again? Come on my friend . . . Don't; you find this a tad curious?

Don't you find it interesting that now this file has been reopened 3 times by the RCMP Commercial Crime & is currently ACTIVE? This is a fact recently confirmed by a top Inspector of the Commercial Crime in the media.

The reason why I do not provide much weight to the story you have posted is because the article only interviewed the Hartwicks. The article also provides no actual information as to what evidence the police may be investigating, how long they have been investigating this new information, and how this information was obtained.

Please reread the articles. To name names the way Mackin did re: the players, he must have felt very safe in doing so, legally. Do you understand how the media operate re: printing facts? The media are very antsy about printing anything without substantial backup, so this tells me that Makin had good foundation to do so or he wouldn't dare.

Here's an idea: why don't you ask Mackin about all of this, not me!!

The RCMP were also interviewed for confirmation, which is obviously a necessary element as these developments are serious. The 'weight' of the article clearly lies with the active RCMP activity on the Players named in the articles & other background information linked directly to Vanoc & the Callaghan Valley, where this company has stated that they were the victims of government misconduct. This is not a hard concept to grasp for the average person, like myself, agenthuggles et al . . .

Do you honestly believe that the overtaxed RCMP, who were not given sufficient funds to cover the security budget re: Vanoc, are going to waste their time on trivialities & confirm these developments if they were not serious? Give me a break, sir/madam!!

Further, are you really naive to believe that the RCMP are going to lay out the details of their activities, length of their investigation, source of their evidence or what their strategy is to you, the media or anyone else????? You are quite the jokster!!

The PMR project was killed is the late 80's, 10 years before the NDP supported Vancouver to bid for the games, against 5 premiers ago (campbell, dosanjh, clark, johnston) and with party that doesn't even exist anymore.

I'll be patient with you Fisher . . . Time is irrelevant re: this scandal information.

What is relevant is obviously, the common names printed in the articles linked in some manner to the original allegations of the company who had won the legal rights to develop the Callaghan Valley into an international ski resort & Vanoc. You are a little drowsy these days LOL!! Please reread the facts printed with a black cup of coffee.

You can keep telling me what you believe and why you believe that but that is not going to sway me.

Fisher, I don't want to disappoint you but my intent on starting this topic on this forum was NOT to "sway" you or anybody else; rather to post information that fascinates & stimulates people to think. Clearly a lot of other people who read this site are thinking, by the number of viewers. to add some fresh perspectives to the 2010 Olympic story, more precisely surrounding the string pullers: as in Vanoc/the Govt. of BC. Constant cheerleading in life is boring & misses the complexities that life is all about & that includes the topics on this site.

You are welcome to believe as you wish as agenthuggles is or Ruling Czar etc. My take on the informations differs from yours. No problem. You certainly don't have to read this thread or post comments,

I will definitely keep my eyes & ears open & bring it forward here. I am waiting with baited breath . . . . but please, don't you get your knickers in a twist - just ignore it all if you choose.

Have a good night everyone.

[fisher]

Wow, how surprising. You take practically an entire page to respond that you won't provide details.

You see, most people want to read a 'balanced' article, one with both sides of the story. That way the reader is in control of making up their own mind, as opposed to an article that has been edited in a way to draw it's own conclusion. When details are asked for and that request is refuted, one begins to wonder why. Is it to sanitize the story?

Your actions with this story are as questionable as the people that you lay claims against. And for someone that wants to bring the truth, you defend "the truth" in a manner that makes this Hartwick case look like it's got more holes then swiss cheese. If this is how they defended their own case, it's no wonder they lost. They apparantly couldn't establish a tort either.

Well, whatever your intentions are with this story, you certainly haven't done it justice.

What's funny is that each post of your's feels just like every other one before it. It's like this topic is stuck is some sort of time warp...

And breaking news, no new information on the Hartwick case. Wow, that "juicy" article that was going to "nail them to the wall" must be really be conclusive.

[agenthuggles/agentr]

Wow, how surprising. You take practically an entire page to respond that you won't provide details.

You see, most people want to read a 'balanced' article, one with both sides of the story. That way the reader is in control of making up their own mind, as opposed to an article that has been edited in a way to draw it's own conclusion. When details are asked for and that request is refuted, one begins to wonder why. Is it to sanitize the story?

Your actions with this story are as questionable as the people that you lay claims against. And for someone that wants to bring the truth, you defend "the truth" in a manner that makes this Hartwick case look like it's got more holes then swiss cheese. If this is how they defended their own case, it's no wonder they lost. They apparantly couldn't establish a tort either.

Well, whatever your intentions are with this story, you certainly haven't done it justice.

What's funny is that each post of your's feels just like every other one before it. It's like this topic is stuck is some sort of time warp...

And breaking news, no new information on the Hartwick case. Wow, that "juicy" article that was going to "nail them to the wall" must be really be conclusive.

FISCHER??? DOO YOU EVER GO TO COURT WHEN IT COMES TO THE WHO'S GUILTY , WHO'S NOT???

[agenthuggles/agentr]

Wow, how surprising. You take practically an entire page to respond that you won't provide details.

You see, most people want to read a 'balanced' article, one with both sides of the story. That way the reader is in control of making up their own mind, as opposed to an article that has been edited in a way to draw it's own conclusion. When details are asked for and that request is refuted, one begins to wonder why. Is it to sanitize the story?

Your actions with this story are as questionable as the people that you lay claims against. And for someone that wants to bring the truth, you defend "the truth" in a manner that makes this Hartwick case look like it's got more holes then swiss cheese. If this is how they defended their own case, it's no wonder they lost. They apparantly couldn't establish a tort either.

Well, whatever your intentions are with this story, you certainly haven't done it justice.

What's funny is that each post of your's feels just like every other one before it. It's like this topic is stuck is some sort of time warp...

And breaking news, no new information on the Hartwick case. Wow, that "juicy" article that was going to "nail them to the wall" must be really be conclusive.

I FOR ONE DON'T CARE IF EYESEARSWIDEOPEN TAKES 3 PAGES!!! Getting us the information that is on the News, in the papers...is what YOU are not doing.

I can not tell others what I am finding in my investigations, how do you expect others to, if there is to be a case ARE YOU DUMB ,ILLITERATE !!

Give a person the benefit of the news .......NO one can give you the evidense....so sit still, read and add something intelligent to this Forum....

If what your seeing our Goverment is in BIG TROUBLE!! ARE YOU PAYING TAXES!!!

Pay attn:: to the TV and News...and READ...

It is not about earseyes wideopen....it is about all of us involved in CAnada.. Goverment FRAUD

[baron-pierreIV]

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[Kenadian]

A lot of words. But not much information.

[agenthuggles/agentr]

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How true this is .

Seems you are always ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz Don't get it, do you..???

Feel sorry for you , so uninteresting....... Get a life !!! You must not have one...no taxes !!! Lots of money !!!!

Love the long explanations , guess you did too you read them.LOL

[agenthuggles/agentr]

A lot of words. But not much information.

Guess you don't retain whats written, huh ?

I can't believe this Forum is so hard to understand.

You want it all over with as you are not a believer, that our Goverment is shady...and may get their heads on a platter...!!!

The ole saying " Is what goes around,comes around" And I will be watching..

Maybe Olympics won't go on....and taxpayers can stop digging in there empty pockets. I was for the Olympics , but not now in Vancouver.....

Enjoy the comments, they are so unreal !!!

[Kenadian]

The writing style is not conducive to reading. You got out attention with a big juicy ‘scandal’, but you don’t clarify the message. Saying “its all posted there, read it” isn’t enough.

As a communicator with a message to communicate, it is YOUR job to inform your audience. Not your audience’s job. That is how communications works. You have to make it easy for people to understand what you are trying to say. You have less than three seconds to grab our attention, or we go.

[agenthuggles/agentr]

The writing style is not conducive to reading. You got out attention with a big juicy ‘scandal’, but you don’t clarify the message. Saying “its all posted there, read it” isn’t enough.

As a communicator with a message to communicate, it is YOUR job to inform your audience. Not your audience’s job. That is how communications works. You have to make it easy for people to understand what you are trying to say. You have less than three seconds to grab our attention, or we go.

I do understand what you are saying... and yes I agree. BUT with what has been said by eyesearswideopen, has been made little of or put downs. SO he/she put on articles...

I for one find this interesting, Law is my expertise !!!. Reading the whole paper is a waste, BUT these articles pin point this Callaghan Nortic Venue Scandal. Plus lots going on as of this month with our Goverment and scandal....so hope those get solved too... all to do with the Olympics...and our TAXES. Harper will have some explaining !!!

Thank you for responding Kendegra...

[baron-pierreIV]

I do understand what you are saying... and yes I agree. BUT with what has been said by eyesearswideopen, has been made little of or put downs. SO he/she put on articles...

I for one find this interesting, Law is my expertise !!!. Reading the whole paper is a waste, BUT these articles pin point this Callaghan Nortic Venue Scandal. Plus lots going on as of this month with our Goverment and scandal....so hope those get solved too... all to do with the Olympics...and our TAXES. Harper will have some explaining !!!

Thank you for responding Kendegra...

Have u ever wondered though that maybe you're preaching to the wrong choir? The regulars here CHEER the Olympics, warts and all. And for you to post these interminable, rambling posts -- and coming from the same computer no less -- just makes one's glaze as we scroll down. The scandals just aren't juicy enough I guess and does not involve our beloved Olympic stars and heroes. So, essentially, you're barking up the wrong tree.

But I do like the airy-fairy graphics. So the posts aren't a total loss.

[Kenadian]

I agree with Baron...as I said in another thread:

"You have to realize that this forum is populated with people that are fans of the Olympic Games. And fans generally see the positive aspects in or are cheerleaders for their pet topic.

While the two of you appear to have a beef with the 2010 Olympics - and there are others out there like you - your message isn't hitting the right audience. This is a fan site. Your posts only get views because you've stirred something up and then your own statements and posts are more sensationalized than the actual story.

Certainly, ideas and information exchanges are welcomed in this forum, but don't expect to sway action against the Olympics in a forum dedicated to Olympic fans.

Hope this clears up a few things for you and that the two of you find some sort of solace in your crusade against the BC government."

By all means, stay and contribute, but if people disagree with your point of view or don't see the big deal you do, don't accuse them of being blinded or being part of the VANOC public relations team - just accept that they don't agree with you.

[fisher]

Well said baron/kendegra.

It's a little tiresome of constantly being talked to like I'm on some sort of grade school playground simply because I disagree. And to read posts that are written by a hyper-active typist with still nothing but opinions is a little frustrating when they will not provide information.

[earseyeswideopen]

I am sure you have missed me. Here are some wise words (not mine) to live by my friends - please take note:

"He that knows himself, knows others; and he that is ignorant of himself, could not write a very profound lecture on other men's heads." ~

Charles Caleb Colton

"You can't talk your way out of problems you behaved yourself into"

"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow

"Sight is a faculty, but seeing is an art."

"You have to learn to listen, and listen to learn."

"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how unlikely, must be the truth."

"Changing your mind is one of the best ways of finding out if you still have one."

. . . . . i.e. please take a long look at the 'man in the mirror' - your responses to 'agenthuggles' my posts & others to date, speak for themselves.

Take your blinders off & actually 'see' the facts - keep your ears open & you just might 'learn' something of interest i.e. the reality of this situation - from the comments made by rational posters & details previously posted, which you have yet to discuss. It is not about attacking the messagers, it is about discussing the issues.

The 'possibilities' are serious that could result from this RCMP Commercial Crime active file re: conflicts of interests with Vanoc etc. given the linkages of the names listed connected to the evidence that sparked this file being reopened for the 3rd time, as indicated in the media. Keep your antennae up boys - my mind is open, are yours????

In closing, try a dry run based on the last quotes advice - the results might be worth consideration

Till next time . . . .

[earseyeswideopen]

BTW, for the benefit of new viewers/open minded readers to this site (the majority I suspect), Part l of the Vanoc/Callaghan Nordic Venue Scandal thread can be found here:

Please go to the main Vancouver 2010 Winter Games page; at the bottom, select your search choice: "From: Show All" & "Topics: Locked"

Part 1 of this topic is easy to find & does provide interesting background reference to previous posts on this topic - it is the only thread locked on this site!! Hmmmmm.

Perhaps due to the profanity & threats posted on that thread by a small handful of 'regulars' which they call "discussion" & holding a different point of view to the factual information I posted . . . yet never asking any questions about an obvious big issue surrounding Vanoc's dealing; no interest in grasping a bigger perspective - strange indeed, given the realities of the world we live in.

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[earseyeswideopen]

"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how unlikely, must be the truth."

Traction with the truth in the Callaghan Valley/Vanoc Scandal!!!!!

Looks like Santa's Elves were weaving their magic! Bring it on RCMP Commercial Crime! Kudos to the Red Coats!

Man, I was thrilled like many of my other friends, to read this stunning development regarding this stinky scandal surrounding the Callaghan Valley Nordic Venue. There have been other articles but this one was very revealing!!

Looks like the stench is sticking to the "players" responsible for this long overdue coverup & derailment of the original proponents. It would appear that the 'rats' are running from their sinking ship.

It is very clear as to WHO derailed the original legal proponent when we see the Land Bureaucrats operating with a private Nordic operator with clearly, a private agenda other than what is in the best interests of the taxpayers of British Columbia/Canada, with this new information; never mind the former Premier of the BC who had to resign in disgrace.

The "conflicts of interests" & heaven knows what else, are now taking focus & the puzzle pieces are coming together! Take note at the sudden fancy footwork, like a cat on a hot tin roof, by the private Nordic Operator based in Whistler having served on the 2010 Whistler Subcommittee working with the Land Bureaucrats & their consultants with the Bid Committee on the massive taxpayer funded Nordic Venue & Legacy Nordic Trials including cost overruns, to ensure his private facility in his words in the media, "fit seamlessly" together!!

This 'Nordic private operator 'player' in this scandal, Brad Sills, . . . . . . who was allegedly given an illegal license to operate during litigation by Land bureaucrats controlling Crown Land in the Callaghan Valley & originally responsible for designating the Callaghan Valley as the site of the Nordic Venue serving on the 2010 Bid Committee & Vanoc . . . . .is now attempting to sell his Nordic license for Mega Millions, suddenly since the RCMP confirmed their active file.

No wonder this scandal now has traction & the RCMP has opened the file "for the 3rd time"!!

Conflict of interest? It is not rocket science folks.

Fraud? When it walks like a duck & . . . well you get it!

Good on the original winning "sole proponent" in the Government's own Proposal Call Process to build an international, alpine ski resort: Powder Mountain Resorts Ltd. with World Cup/Olympic Champion Downhiller Todd Brooker!

Persist until you prevail. Their vision was a winner as all of us skiers have known for years, to have year round skiing on a ringwall of interconnected mountains in the Callaghan Valley Valley - a micro climate with superior powder snow conditions.

What a no brainer this international ski resort, as I read, entirely at private sector cost would be for a massive asset regarding the Olympics & to complement Whistler/Blackcomb.

For all the fascinated followers of this scandal: Enjoy!

As a wiser man than I once stated: The truth WILL out!

Ref: The Pique: Whistler's Newsmagazine Published 2007-12-12 15:28:44

<H2 style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">RCMP investigating Hartwicks' claims

</H2>Review of Power Mountain decision now an official investigation

By Andrew Mitchell

The RCMP has completed its review of a provincial decision to quash a resort proposal for Powder Mountain more than 20 years ago, and has referred to the case to senior investigators.

For the mother and daughter team of Nan and Dianne Hartwick, lead proponents for a ski resort on Powder Mountain in the 1980s, the decision to open an investigation gives weight to their own claims that their project was sidelined by backroom dealings and government employees with conflicts of interest. They will meet with the RCMP's special investigators this week to share their documents, as well as new developments that have come to light.

"Through all this time, we've never given up hope, we've never stopped investigating on our own, and now the RCMP has assigned some very senior investigators to our case," she said. "We're not looking for money, we just want the truth to come out and have our proposal recognized."

This is the third time that the RCMP have investigated the Hartwicks' case, which stems from decisions made in government to quash their Powder Mountain proposal more than 20 years ago. At the time the Hartwicks won three different calls for proposals to develop the area in the Callaghan Valley, and were the sole bid for the project.

In 1987 the province quashed the project because the Hartwicks did not have adequate financial backing, which the Hartwicks to this day deny. They had more than 75 financial backers when they applied for tenure, many of whom are still supporting the project.

The Hartwicks claim to have documents that show then-Premier Bill Vander Zalm intervened on behalf of a friend who was involved in another proposal called Callaghan Resorts, and was supported by senior bureaucrats in the land use office — some of which continue to be involved in Callaghan development through agencies like the Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Olympics (VANOC).

The most recent criminal investigation into the case was closed in 2000, shortly after a B.C. Court of Appeal dismissed a lawsuit by the Hartwicks against Callaghan Resorts and other parties. During the litigation, Land and Water B.C. issued several tenures for operations in the Callaghan, something the Hartwicks say should not have happened while court proceedings were ongoing. One of those tenures was for Callaghan Country, which is currently for sale at $5.95 million.

The Hartwicks also allege that several documents that back their claims were not considered as part of the appeal, and were not included in the judgment.

"That's all coming in to play now," said Dianne Hartwick, who has put together a detailed file with all of their court documents and instances where she feels there were conflicts of interest. She believes that everything that has happened since the province quashed their proposal has been a cover-up.

"We won as the legal proponent to develop a ski resort in (the Callaghan), which we still want. That's what we're going for. Not for damages, but to get our rights back. We were derailed through deceit, unethical conduct. Now it's up to the RCMP to decide if it was criminal.

"We're really thrilled, as all our investors are, that we stuck to our guns with the support of so many good people, and we're determined to right this wrong… we never gave up because we knew we were right, and have the evidence to prove it."

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here's the troll again.