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  1. 1. The REAL contenders

    • Chicago, USA
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    • Madrid, Spain
      12
    • Tokyo, Japan
      14
    • Rio, Brazil
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In all cases, Brazil is ahead of Spain, a country which has successfully hosted the Olympics and no one doubts could do so again...

Biggest worry is competing marketing programme for WC 2014 and OG 2016.

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"supposed to be" - the 3 most important words of this post.

1. The change in the US political scene together with the scaling down of the US presence (which will of course lead to a civil war in Iraq --but who cares?) in Irak will change things. Besides, that shouldn't really matter because the IOC members are supposed to be apolitical. THey are beholden to the IOC and not to their gov'ts. And the IOC is supposed to be above politics -- so to be fair, a US bid should be just as untarnished as Tokyo or Madrid!

2. Madrid is an impossible dream. How can Europe get it again after 2004 and then 2012? :rolleyes: You're just as naive to think so.

3. Rio is blocked by Brazil's unproven performance record for 2014 which comes 5 years after the 2009 vote!

4. Tokyo -- well, again, too close to Beijing 2008...while the IOC moneymaker, the USA, beckons, after being rejected in 2005! THe IOC has bigger expenditures and dreams (the Youth Olympics, to name one). Where do you think it will turn to for more funds?

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I was considering Europe as a single country ( as some economists came out) , but you didn´t understand cause your short mind. Don´t matter... The fact is that I know and everyone who knows economy or has ever traveled to Brazil noted, We can do and perfectly!! That´s no doubts!

But I also know that some strangers ( specific american who I have ever studied with in Brazil ) didn´t learn it in the school.. and other things.. This person, for example , was amazing when saw the Rio city in the airplane ( beach , high modern building and etc ) she though here were just the amazon forest.. After that I was scared.. And here is the third world ??? Here has the worse schools ??? ...so, anything is wrong...

The fact is that if it weren´t because of the political problem and big, big problem I was totaly convinced that will be Rio, but the money ( in this case by the gangs in glamour suits ) can make it diferent. Rio could , for example, be out of the short list.. what would be a terrible error , We have to be sincere !! SO USA HAS THE POWER... WE SAW IT IN THE SALT LAKE CITY CASE.. AND ON AND ON !!

It´s the main reason , Chicago is afraid of Rio and it is so clear as The american corrupt 2016 bid...

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Uhmmm... :rolleyes:

Per the IMF:

1 United States 13,543,330

2 People's Republic of China 11,606,3361

3 India 4,726,537

4 Japan 4,346,080

5 Germany 2,714,469

6 United Kingdom 2,270,884

7 France 2,040,109

8 Brazil 2,013,893

9 Russia 1,908,739

10 Italy 1,888,492

11 Spain

Per the World Bank:

1 United States 12,376,100

2 People's Republic of China 5,333,200a

3 Japan 3,870,300

4 Germany 2,514,800

5 India 2,341,000

6 United Kingdom 1,901,700

7 France 1,862,200

8 Russia 1,697,500

9 Italy 1,626,300

10 Brazil 1,585,100

11 Spain 1,183,500

and per the CIA World FactBook:

1 United States 13,860,000

2 People's Republic of China 7,043,000

3 Japan 4,305,000

4 India 2,965,000

5 Germany 2,833,000

6 United Kingdom 2,147,000

7 Russia 2,076,000

8 France 2,067,000

9 Brazil 1,838,000

10 Italy 1,800,000

11 Spain 1,362,000

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

You can't pull those cheap tricks around here, Wagner. And you would actually pick up the other totally unfactual, incorrect quote from Rioman. Typical.

I was considering Europe as a single country ( as some economists came out) , but you didn´t understand cause your short mind. Don´t matter... The fact is that I know and everyone who knows economy or has ever traveled to Brazil noted, We can do and perfectly!! That´s no doubts!

But I also know that some strangers ( specific american who I have ever studied with in Brazil ) didn´t learn it in the school.. and other things.. This person, for example , was amazing when saw the Rio city in the airplane ( beach , high modern building and etc ) she though here were just the amazon forest.. After that I was scared.. And here is the third world ??? Here has the worse schools ??? ...so, anything is wrong...

The fact is that if it weren´t because of the political problem and big, big problem I was totaly convinced that will be Rio, but the money ( in this case by the gangs in glamour suits ) can make it diferent. Rio could , for example, be out of the short list.. what would be a terrible error , We have to be sincere !! SO USA HAS THE POWER... WE SAW IT IN THE SALT LAKE CITY CASE.. AND ON AND ON !!

It´s the main reason , Chicago is afraid of Rio and it is so clear as The american corrupt 2016 bid...

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I was considering Europe as a single country ( as some economists came out) , but you didn´t understand cause your short mind. Don´t matter... The fact is that I know and everyone who knows economy or has ever traveled to Brazil noted, We can do and perfectly!! That´s no doubts!

But I also know that some strangers ( specific american who I have ever studied with in Brazil ) didn´t learn it in the school.. and other things.. This person, for example , was amazing when saw the Rio city in the airplane ( beach , high modern building and etc ) she though here were just the amazon forest.. After that I was scared.. And here is the third world ??? Here has the worse schools ??? ...so, anything is wrong...

The fact is that if it weren´t because of the political problem and big, big problem I was totaly convinced that will be Rio, but the money ( in this case by the gangs in glamour suits ) can make it diferent. Rio could , for example, be out of the short list.. what would be a terrible error , We have to be sincere !! SO USA HAS THE POWER... WE SAW IT IN THE SALT LAKE CITY CASE.. AND ON AND ON !!

It´s the main reason , Chicago is afraid of Rio and it is so clear as The american corrupt 2016 bid...

Uh-huh, right. I am actually hoping Rio is the overwhelming favorite going in. ;)

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I think this thread is insulting and there are too many 'guesstimations'.

What does 'the real' contenders mean?

Nothing more than assumptions based on racial stereotypes if you ask me.

If I were to guess, I'd say that Rio and Doha have very strong chances.

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I think this thread is insulting and there are too many 'guesstimations'.

What does 'the real' contenders mean?

Nothing more than assumptions based on racial stereotypes if you ask me.

If I were to guess, I'd say that Rio and Doha have very strong chances.

given you avatar and such i'd say you're pretty bias towards Doha and Qatar...none the less, i do agree...leaving Doha out is a bit harsh...Although they have slim chances of winning, i see the playing a serious part in the vote ad will be shortlisted...i wont be surprised if one of either Tokyo, Rio or Chicago is nudged out of the top 3 by Doha.

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In what regards? For the short-list, or in the election? For starters, Rio & Doha both, have to overcome the first hurdle of even being included in the short-list (which I believe only one is going to make it, but not both), let alone Doha 'nudging' anybody out of the top 3.

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We must not let nationalist fervor blinds us to the humanity of all people. Pride in one's nation is commendable, but taken to the extreme in disparage and disrespect only nation is without merit and only damaging to ones karma and their position along the Dharma. We must respect and look for the good in our neighbors and not concentrate on the negatives. We all have faults and must work to better ourself on the path to ultimate enlightenment to the state of nirvana.

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We must not let nationalist fervor blinds us to the humanity of all people. Pride in one's nation is commendable, but taken to the extreme in disparage and disrespect only nation is without merit and only damaging to ones karma and their position along the Dharma. We must respect and look for the good in our neighbors and not concentrate on the negatives. We all have faults and must work to better ourself on the path to ultimate enlightenment to the state of nirvana.

Baloney! We MUST be EXTREMLY COMPETITIVE. It makes for good karma.

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In what regards? For the short-list, or in the election? For starters, Rio & Doha both, have to overcome the first hurdle of even being included in the short-list (which I believe only one is going to make it, but not both), let alone Doha 'nudging' anybody out of the top 3.

well thats only what you believe. I dont think Doha or Rio fail to fill any evaluation criteria, or at least wont by 2016 given their bid book responses and thus will be included in the shortlist.

Madrids chances arent so high (of winning that is) but it would be rather strange for them to be included in 2012 and not included in 2016.

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It's not only what I believe. Many of the general census on these boards say that Rio & Doha, both, won't make the short-list. I at least say that at least one of them shall get through. And likewise, only you seem to think that 'both' of them have all the criteria to get in, which is highly doubtful, when both are up against 3 other already top technically capable bids.

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Madrid would be best.

Rio is out of chance - they got the football wc,

chicago - if obama will be president he is from there, so it's too political,

tokyo - would be nice, but they had olympics.

so, I vote for madrid, or copenhagen!:)

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Rio is out of chance - they got the football wc,

so, I vote for madrid, or copenhagen!:)

It would be not the first time some country gets both WC and Olympic Games together. Mexico, Germany and USA had hosted both events in sequence. Last time was World Cup USA 1994 and Atlanta OG 1996.

and...

I'm sure Copenhagen is not bidding to be the 2016 SOG host.

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It's not only what I believe. Many of the general census on these boards say that Rio & Doha, both, won't make the short-list. I at least say that at least one of them shall get through. And likewise, only you seem to think that 'both' of them have all the criteria to get in, which is highly doubtful, when both are up against 3 other already top technically capable bids.

I find it odd that the president of the USOC Peter Ueberroth has stated he sees Chicago at number 4 in the list and Mayor Daley of Chicago believes Rio is ahead of them by his first hand visit to Rio during the Pan am games last year. What do these two knowing people see that you as a Monday Morning quarterback don't ? Rio today is miles ahead of what they were for their last bid in 2005 which they were shortlisted. In Fact Rio is basically Ahead for Venues compared to London 2012 at this time. Rio has 4 additional years to go and a World Cup to prepare much of the same infrastructure that is needed for transportation that both events would use. Has London even broken ground on the Velodrome with four years to go? Rio has the Velodrome Today along with a vast number of key venues 9 years in advance as of last summer. the Capacities of everything on the ground in Rio are at summer games requirements exceed JV Stadium and that has expansion provisions built into the design.

I see Rio making the short list and not Doha. Rio, from my friends in sport administration circles, had some problems with their Pan Am games logistically for the athletes but Doha for the Asian games had its share of problems as well including transportation and volunteer shortages which had to be filled by import paid labor. Doha in the Mid East is just too soon for the region for the standpoint of sports history. Brazil has a very rich legacy in the Olympics.

A shortlist ? well considering 5 were on the shortlist for 2012 here goes in no order of where I think they stand in the race

with a reduced field of 7 for 2016 from 9 in for 2012 we would have

Chicago

Tokyo

Rio

Madrid

There has not been a shortlist anything less then 5 since 1936 in the summer games unless it was a lack of bidders shortlist. If the IOC keeps with 5 as the short list number then Doha will probably make the short list. So much for that theory. Prague and Baku don't look likely .

There has never been a shut out of European Candidate cities from making the short list for all Bid elections summer or winter. Europe has only had an absence from biding 5 times for the following years 1932 summer games , the 1956 summer games, the 1980 winter games, the 1984 summer games and the 1988 summer games. Europe is fantastic for Sticking in there to bleed America sponsorship and TV dollars in the good times and leave it in the Americans lapps to nurse the Orphan when it looks like it could be on its last legs. IE 1932 1980 and 1984. the Europeans certainly didn't come to the table for 1988 either. with Nagoya and Seoul the only bidders for those games

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Rio today is miles ahead of what they were for their last bid in 2005 which they were shortlisted.

Wrong. Rio were NOT shotlisted with their last bid.

The final shortlist, as just about everyone here is all too aware and familiar with was: Paris, London, New York, Madrid, Moscow.

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It would be not the first time some country gets both WC and Olympic Games together. Mexico, Germany and USA had hosted both events in sequence. Last time was World Cup USA 1994 and Atlanta OG 1996.

and...

I'm sure Copenhagen is not bidding to be the 2016 SOG host.

Funny thing is these guys who don't seem listen to the IOC president's words that he believes hosting the WC in 2014 enhances Rio 2016's Chances greatly with the upgrades required for the world cup and recruitment of volunteers for a summer games made easier for Rio via having to do the same recruitment for the summer games in 2016. This came from Jacques Rogge himself.

But hey Danny Rio has crime , poverty, and that 7 foot tall henchman JAWS from the James bond movie breaking sugerloaf's cable car cable with his steel teeth

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Wrong. Rio were NOT shotlisted with their last bid.

The final shortlist, as just about everyone here is all too aware and familiar with was: Paris, London, New York, Madrid, Moscow.

yeah hey kangaroo breathe. shortlisting to me is you are cut form the final list. go back to sleep Dear

jim jones

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yeah hey kangaroo breathe. shortlisting to me is you are cut form the final list. go back to sleep Dear

jim jones

It might be your definition, but it's not the one everyone else here, or the IOC uses. Shortlisting is making the shortlist.

And anyway, if that's the case, how come you then go on later in your post to say:

I see Rio making the short list and not Doha.

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There has not been a shortlist anything less then 5 since 1936

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jim-bo,

For starters, the short-list is a relatively new concept that the IOC unvailed in 1995 for the 2002 Games, because so many cities were starting to bid for one particular Games. So you can't go back all the way back to 1936, when there is no "set" number of cities that are allowed on it. From these 7-2016 cities, 3,4,5 or all 7 cities could, "in theory", make the list, since it's a technical preliminary evaluation. But it's highly unlikely because not all 7 will meet all the technical requirements. Plus, it would seem that the IOC Executive College sets the technical benchmark how they see fit for a particular bidding cycle.

And about Peter Uberroth & Mayor Daley's comments... they're simply trying to downplay Chicago's chances, since the IOC (& in general) does not like pompousness & arrogance. Because tactics like those have backfired for previous Olympic bidding cities in the past. The USOC is just playing it cool & telling their 2016 candidate to do the same. But since you're such a newbie to all of this stuff, you can't see through it.

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