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If Toronto is so cash strapped why bother getting involved then? Makes no sense to me. The provincial government didn't want to step up and set in stone the financial agreements for Expo 2015 and they had troubles with the Federal government too. I wonder if they would run into the same problems again with them.

I'm not sure if I'm correct but is the winner for the 2015 Pan Ams get chosen in 2009?

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There are talks now that Toronto wants to host the 2015 Pan Ams as a setup for a 2020 Olympics bid.

Wrong move. If there were no Caribbean or South American bidderes, then fine/ But if there were and Toronto won, and it still wanted to go for 2020, the COC would certainly have made enemies of those countries it stole the 2015 PanAms from.

In the Caribbean, maybe Santo Domingo or Havana will go for it again.

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The problem is Toronto is in no position to bid for any large event at this time. They are having a budget crisis and will have a hard time getting the provinical government's support. Local politicians would have a hard time justifying this bid to taxpayers.

I agree with this, but with the recent re-election of the fiberals, theres a feeling (or maybe blind hope) in city hall that a imminent takeover of the subway is coming, likely in 2008, by the GTAA. The stupid thing about it is the head of the TTC is likely to resist it. If the subway was taken out of the budget, thats about 400-500 million in savings. Also factoring the 100-200 in savings from uploading for 2008, if the cards line up the city could have a small surplus by 2010. By our current politicians in Toronto are not that smart.........

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Wrong move. If there were no Caribbean or South American bidderes, then fine/ But if there were and Toronto won, and it still wanted to go for 2020, the COC would certainly have made enemies of those countries it stole the 2015 PanAms from.

In the Caribbean, maybe Santo Domingo or Havana will go for it again.

How many votes could that sway in the other direction anyways.

It really looks like Chicago is gonna win the 2016 Olympics anyways. By Toronto bidding and most likely winning the 2015 Pan Ams will be a step in the right direction to gain the necessary sporting infrastructure and experience of hosting a international multi-sport event. This will bode well for the city if they plan on going for 2024/2028. (That's if Chicago does infact win 2016).

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The problem was that Hamilton wanted to bid and Toronto wanted too. None of them wanted to fudge so the COC decided to let Hamilton and Toronto to bid and every city in between. HAHA

There's no way 5 or 6 cities together are going to sit down and agree on fiance and which sporting event they'll get to host.

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The problem was that Hamilton wanted to bid and Toronto wanted too. None of them wanted to fudge so the COC decided to let Hamilton and Toronto to bid and every city in between. HAHA

There's no way 5 or 6 cities together are going to sit down and agree on fiance and which sporting event they'll get to host.

Yeah, that's pretty retarded.

Can't they just put on a domestic bid? The better bid get chosen by the COC.

Why would they even consider a "Golden Horseshoe" bid? It'll be destined to fail on the International scene.

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And heres a little more about who might head up a Golden Horseshoe Bid, and yes, this bid just keeps getting more a joke imo.....

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/282686

I'm gonna have to agree with you.

I don't want this bid to go through if its going to be the "Golden Horsehouse" Pan Am 2015 bid...LMAO!! What a fuucking joke!

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It looks like the COC is serious about a Golden Horseshoe bid, just read the article on Gamesbids.com main page.

This is destined to fail.

Is Toronto really going to come on board for this? Just to host the Opening/Closing Ceremonies at existing Rogers Centre, soccer matches at BMO Field and Basketball at the Air Canada Centre? I think not!!!

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From my understanding Hamilton is slated to host the Athletics (track and field), which will require a new stadium (that's the point of Hamilton bidding), biking obviously no question and boxing. I've heard Aquatics is a possibility since Hamilton already has an Aquatic committee working to fund an Aquatic Centre.

Seems like it's a Toronto-Hamilton bid really more than a Golden Horseshoe bid.

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I totally agree with this article. Spreading out the venues will only lead to this bids downfall. Just because we have to please other Ontarian cities??? LOL..give me a break!!

Pan-Am bid likely won't go too far

Dec 10, 2007 04:30 AM

Christopher Hume

The Toronto Star

Toronto's bid for the 2008 Olympics didn't work out, and it couldn't quite meet the deadline for its Expo 2015 entry. Now there's word the city might go after the Pan-American Games to be held in eight years.

If that fails, who knows what we might try for next – the World Tiddlywinks Championships?

But then, why bother? Hosting such an event is simply not in Toronto's fate.

The reasons have nothing to do with civic willingness, but with the larger question of whether the city and its masters – provincial and federal governments – can muster the will. Don't hold your breath.

Writing about the Pan-Am bid, the Star's Jim Byers noted that, "one Queen's Park source said the government likes the idea at this early stage, especially since it's geared to the entire Golden Horseshoe and not focused on Toronto, which would be a tougher sell politically in other parts of Ontario."

God forbid that Premier Dalton McGuinty should be seen to favour Toronto over Oshawa, Peterborough, Wawa and the rest of the province. Wouldn't that be awful?

Little wonder Toronto has always been passed over. Which is why there's little reason to get excited about the Pan-Am Games. However unremarkable the competing cities – former host sites include Indianapolis, Winnipeg and Cali, Colombia – Toronto, make that, Ontario, is unlikely to be chosen.

To begin with, it doesn't make sense to spread the games over an area that stretches from St. Catharines to Barrie. For a second-tier athletic event to have any impact, it needs to be concentrated in a location where it can create a critical mass of activity and awareness.

Secondly, the proposal makes it obvious that the jurisdictions involved – city and province – cannot rise above the political concerns that have historically kept both from realizing their potential.

Furthermore, city council is an embarrassment and the Legislature barely has a pulse. The former rarely manages get beyond its own dysfunction; the latter exists within a bubble that should have burst three decades ago.

Not only has Canada fallen behind its competitors, it is out of touch with the realities of the 21st century, and more critical, of itself. As national borders grow less and less important in an increasingly global economic order we remain steadfastly rooted in the parochial patterns of our 19th-century past.

Although the world is learning to think ever more regionally, Canada, and Ontario, are defiantly local. That may keep the neighbours happy for the time being, but it's no way to run a province, let alone an economy that's under growing pressure to stay competitive.

Yet hope springs eternal. Last week, we were treated to the spectacle of Greater Toronto Transportation Authority (now Metrolinx) chair, Rob MacIsaac, declaring that in just 20 years the city's transit infrastructure will equal London's. Oh really! This in a region that's already 30 years behind the U.K. What's the plan, magic carpets?

The blame goes well beyond Mac- Isaac, of course, but who does he think he's fooling?

Instead of shovels in the ground, we're treated to this sort of glib complacency. Rather than progress, we get gridlock, and words when we need work. It's no surprise there's such cynicism about the political process in these parts.

If the Pan-Am Games were actually awarded to southern Ontario, they'd have to be renamed the Highway Games because visitors would spend so much time travelling from one venue to another.

But as long as we don't offend Fenelon Falls, no reason to worry.

Ontario, still ours to discover.

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San Antonio has bid (and failed) for a Pan Am Games and Houston bid (and failed) for an Olympics (USA bid city). I think San Antonio needs to revisit the idea of hosting a Pan Am Games. Most of the facilities are in place. It would be nice to see this even return to the USA.

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