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the thing about this forum is that we allow ourselves to be railroaded into stupid arguments by that clown JJ.

This should be an unbiased assessment of the progress of both bids. Now i want Glasgow to win, of course i do - but i am not going to pretend to be some kind of expert based on a conversation i may or may not have had with one of the bid teams.

As i see it, Abuja and Glasgow both have a good stock of facilities. I dont doubt the sincerity of the people working on both bids and the commitment that they have shown has been outstanding. Glasgow has visited 67 of the 71 countries face to face. Despite what JJ says, the same cannot be said of Abuja.

Abuja has made a compelling case based on around the fact that the Games have never been to Africa. Glasgow are talking about what is best for the athletes. It is for the voters to decide which argument they find most compelling. However, the view that the financial inducements will be the deciding factor is complete and utter tosh. The people from the CGAs round the world are committed sports administrators who will do whats best for sport and their athletes - i have no doubt about that.

Whether or not taking athletes to a malarial zone where they will have to take daily, performance diminishing medication - or to a place that has committed an army of boy scouts to the security force - or to a place that has, by its own admission, corruption problems - may be factors that weigh heavier on their minds that JJ's assertion that they are only interested in bribes.

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Gee it is funny that the All-African Games in 2003 in the very Abuja National Stadium would have had the winner of the 2006 commonwealth games 100 Ms tied for third. A larger more talented field from the carribean, oceania, the america and europe would not have gotten on the medal podium with the times psoted in melbounre for the 2003 ALL-African Games.

Nice try on the Malarone agruement but that facts of the competition even with a world record holder in Mr Powell of Jamaica dont bear Creedance. No you see where you draw assumptions I actually know that facts and researched them comparing the 2003 All-African games to the CWG's ion 2006.

Hey I got the facts and you have wildly ignorant speculation because you have not bothered to compare. Until you actually step foot in Abuja or actually research they you can come out of your day care crib and talk . I researched it after a Halifax 2014 bid chair says that he dream sea level venue would have world class performances in Halifax. I thought what advantage is Free loading Freddie talking about here . Abuja is about 1200 feet in elevation and apparently Jet set Fred feels Abuja is the competition when he sited the Sea level thing. Glasgow is pretty much at Sea Level .

No when a Halifax bid chair is grasping at that straw then it is clearly not glasgow he is worried about it is Abuja.

Jim jones right again.

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Are these the same images which Jim Jones claimed to be his which we are told were in fact taken on April 11? That's a funny last week in anyone's book.

What is this april 11 th thing . Please get a brain and then get a brain with a racist slant to it LOL.

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the thing about this forum is that we allow ourselves to be railroaded into stupid arguments by that clown JJ.

This should be an unbiased assessment of the progress of both bids. Now i want Glasgow to win, of course i do - but i am not going to pretend to be some kind of expert based on a conversation i may or may not have had with one of the bid teams.

As i see it, Abuja and Glasgow both have a good stock of facilities. I dont doubt the sincerity of the people working on both bids and the commitment that they have shown has been outstanding. Glasgow has visited 67 of the 71 countries face to face. Despite what JJ says, the same cannot be said of Abuja.

Abuja has made a compelling case based on around the fact that the Games have never been to Africa. Glasgow are talking about what is best for the athletes. It is for the voters to decide which argument they find most compelling. However, the view that the financial inducements will be the deciding factor is complete and utter tosh. The people from the CGAs round the world are committed sports administrators who will do whats best for sport and their athletes - i have no doubt about that.

Whether or not taking athletes to a malarial zone where they will have to take daily, performance diminishing medication - or to a place that has committed an army of boy scouts to the security force - or to a place that has, by its own admission, corruption problems - may be factors that weigh heavier on their minds that JJ's assertion that they are only interested in bribes.

Exactly. What he wants is attention. Nothing more nothing less. He loves needling us here, he knows exactly how to provoke reactions out of us, and we fall for it every time. The obvious thing is to ignore him, and I've tried, but I still find myself being suckered into taking his bait every now and then. It feeds his ego so much that despite our better judgement, there are whole threads devoted to him.

The sad thing is, he has managed single-handedly to polarise the whole debate. I really don't think that deep down there is any ill-will towards Abuja here, and there has always been sympathy, tempered by realism, here in the many threads of GamesBids for games of any sort to go to the developing world. I think that most of us also realise that Abuja has a good chance of winning. But thanks to the Jones jerk, he has successfully poisoned debbate and backed people into corners that they probably never anted to go to. His disengenuous use of highly inflammatory racist arguments _ and then his disengenuous "who me? I'm just speaking my mind" justifications for it _ are reprehensible and have just fed further conflict and debate.

I've pondered reporting some of his comments many a time to the mod _ there's certainly enough ammunition _ but figured I wouldn't run squealing from a fight. But really, if we all just can't ignore him and kill off his oxygen, maybe it would be time to start reporting. I'm not making the first move, but if someone esle did, I wouldn't blame them.

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You don't have to. I already have. I'm not prepared to put up with his character assassination any more.

character assassination you have no character to assassinate because you have no balls like a real man to email me . paultaylor42@hotmail.com

plan and simple are you worried you maybe totally wrong ????

hey you would use the photoshop excuse. Geee when Abuja wins what will you be singing then LOL. Those Nigerians used Jim jones and bought the games from scotland wwwwwwaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh you would cry like a baby. .Of course their is the angle of racial discrimination that will be dug up . People of color have been oppressed for a very long while and it is time they stuck up for their development not the old white commonwealth. The new commonwealth does not even need solidarity or the absence of the games because Abuja has it plan and simple over Glasgow.

Even I would not beleive that I made a duiffrence even if I was sitting on the committee and was the bid secretariat himself because it goes beyond one man, the committee or one person or any one idea. any germ of any idea that I would have relayed to the committee like the medals plaza in eagle square I chalk up to they knew that anyways about Calgary 1988. it is nice to think that the committee would take my white paper on the state of sport festivals but I don't kid myself these people are highly intelligent and can dig this for themselves .

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Who the hell do you think you are? Just another example of how you're prepared to try to bully and abuse people who don't agree with you. Well it doesn't work with me. I've already told you quite plainly what you can do with your evidence, and if you choose not to do that, then it says everything about you and nothing at all about me. You don't have any credibility whatsoever to throw your insults at me. All it does is just add more evidence of the need to have you removed from this forum until you grow up.

Now, IF Abuja wins, and you should know just as well as I do that nothing is guaranteed in these things if you're such an expert on these matters, good luck to them. Personally, though, I will be very disappointed, because I regard the Abuja bid as the inferior of the two contenders. Not because of any bias or prejudice, as you so pathetically and repeatedly claim, but because of this basic premise - Glasgow, in my opinion, has the better overall package. You will note that I am not alone in holding this view. Glasgow has much wider experience of hosting major sporting events. Just last week, for example, the Kelvin Hall staged the world team badminton competition. They have international athletics there every summer, European football finals twice in five years. They have a much wider brief of experience that Abuja cannot compete with, even when you take the All African Games into consideration.

On facilities, it's a fairly close run thing, but again, I see Glasgow having the edge. Enough new build to leave a real legacy, but not so much to be wasting money, which we all know you hate from the Halifax bid. And Glasgow, at present, appears to have the better infrastructure in my view.

But it's more than that. There have been so many questions raised about both Abuja's readiness to host and their ability to meet the financial pledges they have made in particular that you and the other Abuja supporters simply have not been willing or able to answer. That says everything to me. Now why won't you answer them? Are you afraid of being wrong? Because I'm not. I'm not perfect. I've yet to meet the perfect person and you certainly aren't that.

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Who the hell do you think you are? Just another example of how you're prepared to try to bully and abuse people who don't agree with you. Well it doesn't work with me. I've already told you quite plainly what you can do with your evidence, and if you choose not to do that, then it says everything about you and nothing at all about me. You don't have any credibility whatsoever to throw your insults at me. All it does is just add more evidence of the need to have you removed from this forum until you grow up.

Now, IF Abuja wins, and you should know just as well as I do that nothing is guaranteed in these things if you're such an expert on these matters, good luck to them. Personally, though, I will be very disappointed, because I regard the Abuja bid as the inferior of the two contenders. Not because of any bias or prejudice, as you so pathetically and repeatedly claim, but because of this basic premise - Glasgow, in my opinion, has the better overall package. You will note that I am not alone in holding this view. Glasgow has much wider experience of hosting major sporting events. Just last week, for example, the Kelvin Hall staged the world team badminton competition. They have international athletics there every summer, European football finals twice in five years. They have a much wider brief of experience that Abuja cannot compete with, even when you take the All African Games into consideration.

On facilities, it's a fairly close run thing, but again, I see Glasgow having the edge. Enough new build to leave a real legacy, but not so much to be wasting money, which we all know you hate from the Halifax bid. And Glasgow, at present, appears to have the better infrastructure in my view.

But it's more than that. There have been so many questions raised about both Abuja's readiness to host and their ability to meet the financial pledges they have made in particular that you and the other Abuja supporters simply have not been willing or able to answer. That says everything to me. Now why won't you answer them? Are you afraid of being wrong? Because I'm not. I'm not perfect. I've yet to meet the perfect person and you certainly aren't that.

Ah poor baby you missing your blanky. What the title of this Trend ? Where has Jim Jones been lately? mine bullying you is because you cannot explain thing like the fact that the world record holder and current commonwealth games 100m dash would have tied for third in the 2003 All-african games with his winning performance in mlebourne. So much for your theory about Malarone or Larium the drugs you have to take for malaria. I personally choose Malarone whihc I had to take everyday at 4 pm . I took the opportunity to do that in Abuja at the piano bar and while logging onto the internet at they terminals there. Dont beleive me . Send me your e mails and I will send you pcitures of the Pass cards I bought. So have you actually been to Abuja to make a real judgement on their bid . You can take all these single sports events in glasgow and it does not compare to an all-african games where you have more athletes then the commonwealth games themselves . Tell me what type of athletes village has ever been built in Glasgow Scotland? I was in the old athletes village for the 2003 all-african games and it was impressive.

And before we get on this crap about me not being there it is you and your buddies here that will not allow me to send you my documented evidence directly

Who cares about your disappointment if Abuja was to get the commonwealth games . 800 million Africans desire to finally host in a city called Abuja that is not a relic of western euorpe trying to regain itself thru redevelopment of a former brownfield site. Glasgow one of the murder capital's of western europe in the most drug addicted nations in europe Great Britian also Glasgow having a acute Herion addiction problem . Yes Liberal socialism run a amuck LOL

Yes Scotland should be able to host a commonwealth games after all they have had to endure waiting since 1986. and beyond that 1970 . OH the need for Great Britian is so great that they want to repeat Manchester 2002 which was on the verge of running out of funding while their facilities were being built LOL.

Great Birtian has had enough chances to actually do these things with embarasssing cost overruns or deficits like was the case in 1986 in Edinburgh time to have it with a party that has been denied while the mental midgets of the british isles where feasting on their greed.

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I've only just got round to reading this thread proplerly. Now that I have, I'm glad I haven't wasted my time posting in this subforum:

You know what JJ, you may have some good points in this thread but they're nearly all lost amonst your smug, egotistical, nasty manner. The way you speak, even on the internet, matters. And I'm afraid with your style, I'd be hard pressed to believe you if you were arguing the case for the sun being hot.

Arwebb's been on these forums for a long time, and I've very rarely seen him resort to insults and dismissing a person's opinion because of pure aggrivation with the person arguing with him. So well done, you should be proud.

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I've only just got round to reading this thread proplerly. Now that I have, I'm glad I haven't wasted my time posting in this subforum:

You know what JJ, you may have some good points in this thread but they're nearly all lost amonst your smug, egotistical, nasty manner. The way you speak, even on the internet, matters. And I'm afraid with your style, I'd be hard pressed to believe you if you were arguing the case for the sun being hot.

Arwebb's been on these forums for a long time, and I've very rarely seen him resort to insults and dismissing a person's opinion because of pure aggrivation with the person arguing with him. So well done, you should be proud.

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DO NOT REPLY TO JJ. DONT ENGAGE HIM IN CONVERSATION - HE WILL SOON TAKE HIS RACISM ELSEWHERE

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DO NOT REPLY TO JJ. DONT ENGAGE HIM IN CONVERSATION - HE WILL SOON TAKE HIS RACISM ELSEWHERE

HEHE too funny. I fly to abuja and i am the racist. no i am the realist and you are neive in the real wrold. LOL

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You are the only person here who has talked about "persons of colour", and on many occasions as well, so you've got no room to talk, as ever.

Persons of color is not a term based in hatred of anyone. Speaking of colors if a Rangers fan walks into a Catholic area of Glasgow how is he received ? I bet color plays a role there LOL.

Yes you can say to a black person you are black or you can say to a east indian you are east indian . I know because I have plenty of friends of color who have informed me to what they think on this subject and they laff that a ignorant bunch of people would actually call me a racist LOL. That includes people in Abuja, Nigeria.

Again history tends to paint who the real racists are LOL and they were not nigerians beating on Ghandis people when India fought for independance LOL.

You tend to forget that these people do tend to stick together IE in 2003 Hamilton 22 New Delhi 46. Yes I am sure that would be racist of them but hey they have been the victims of racism for a couple of centuries whats to say that Glasgow would be an environment of tolerance with the rivalry between cathloic and protestants locally. We used to have that in new glasgow nova scotia where I live but we have progressed .

By the way I talked to someone who was in Glencoe and it seems Campbells are not permitted in BARS there a couple of centuries after the slaughter.

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Anyone with any basic understanding of the Old Firm rivalry knows that that is a completely different scenario from playing the race card and you trying to score a cheap shot on that is pathetic.

But then it's more of the same from you, isn't it? You label people like me as racist, yet again, and yet it is you who uses such an inflammatory phrase as "persons of colour". He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones, methinks.

And when you start talking about your take on colonial history, because that's all it is, I start to switch off because, to be brutally honest with you, history is totally irrelevant. Your allegations, if you could ever prove them (and as my new signature will confirm I could not say) are equally irrelevant. So is the 2010 vote. What matters is these two cities and who can pull off the best Games. Glasgow is that city in my book. So instead of carping on about things that don't matter and repeating the same old slurs, why don't you actually discuss the issues of the bids?

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Anyone with any basic understanding of the Old Firm rivalry knows that that is a completely different scenario from playing the race card and you trying to score a cheap shot on that is pathetic.

But then it's more of the same from you, isn't it? You label people like me as racist, yet again, and yet it is you who uses such an inflammatory phrase as "persons of colour". He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones, methinks.

And when you start talking about your take on colonial history, because that's all it is, I start to switch off because, to be brutally honest with you, history is totally irrelevant. Your allegations, if you could ever prove them (and as my new signature will confirm I could not say) are equally irrelevant. So is the 2010 vote. What matters is these two cities and who can pull off the best Games. Glasgow is that city in my book. So instead of carping on about things that don't matter and repeating the same old slurs, why don't you actually discuss the issues of the bids?

so you people in Scotland practice religious and clan discrimination locally and then try to say that you are an environment that blacks ,asians, peoples of oceania , and the caribbean can be comfortable sending their youth too for the commonwealth games ??? You people shoot racial slurs at the spainish and main land europeans when they have played in your stadiums in the past. Gee sounds like a recipe for a couple of stabbings by feral boys to me LOL.

Again in your little white world Persons of color is a bad term . Get out of your ivory tower and take a trip somewheres without white faces. You might learn some besides the ABC or 123s . LOL

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Anyone with any basic understanding of the Old Firm rivalry knows that that is a completely different scenario from playing the race card and you trying to score a cheap shot on that is pathetic.

But then it's more of the same from you, isn't it? You label people like me as racist, yet again, and yet it is you who uses such an inflammatory phrase as "persons of colour". He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones, methinks.

And when you start talking about your take on colonial history, because that's all it is, I start to switch off because, to be brutally honest with you, history is totally irrelevant. Your allegations, if you could ever prove them (and as my new signature will confirm I could not say) are equally irrelevant. So is the 2010 vote. What matters is these two cities and who can pull off the best Games. Glasgow is that city in my book. So instead of carping on about things that don't matter and repeating the same old slurs, why don't you actually discuss the issues of the bids?

No again Canada has hosted 4 times in the past , did not come up with the financial package that New Delhi shot in at the last moment. Ask Apple he was on the Hamilton committee and the delegates were we will support you smiles while they voted for New Delhi .

The city with the best incentives for votes wins and that is Abuja. Then you have a history of absence. The man at the Healthrow British Airways counter knew that one. And i then gave him a bid pin and Abuja 2014 pen LOL and made another supporter . In the Hotel i did the same with two charming girls from edinburgh. on the flight from abuja I told an expat nigerian girl who believed scotland win of the of the difference in the training grants. She then agrred Abuja would win and that it was her not knowing the details.

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Seeing as you raise the financial incentives aspect, I'll put this to you. It has been suggested, and referred to in this forum, that the financial incentives which Abuja has pledged are "not worth the paper they are written on" and that payments will likely be made well after the Games have passed, if at all. And this suggestion was made by a senior official on the All-African Games, a man who has spent many years living and working in Nigeria. Now, that appears to me to be a fundamental question over Abuja's ability to back up its words with hard actions. It goes right to the heart of the bid. How do you respond to that?

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