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Wow DJ Bungi... those are quite attractive images of Sarajevo!

Especially the girls!  :;):

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Wow! Your proofed me wrong. Sarajevo actually looks quite beautiful.....but i don't think it has enough infrastructure to hold the Games, but the city will host another Olympics in the future, not in the near future.

First, the country must build up its status in the world and the world's impression on the country not as a war ruined country, which i have to admit is what i thought before.

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Sarajevo had wonderful games.  I don't think they'll be hosting again soon, but I can see them eventually hosting again in the future.

And the year would be?

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Wow! Your proofed me wrong. Sarajevo actually looks quite beautiful.....but i don't think it has enough infrastructure to hold the Games, but the city will host another Olympics in the future, not in the near future.
Infrastructure?  What infrastructure are we talking about here?  It certainly had good enough infrastructure to host the 1984 Winter Olympics, the best organized until then.
First, the country must build up its status in the world and the world's impression on the country not as a war ruined country, which i have to admit is what i thought before.

That's why we need the Olympics to get the negative image off of our backs!

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First, the country must build up its status in the world and the world's impression on the country not as a war ruined country, which i have to admit is what i thought before.

That's why we need the Olympics to get the negative image off of our backs!

Yeah, but you need to create a very good impression to the IOC first before the world that this country is not ruined from war.

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Well, Sarajevo could host the Winter Universiade as a starting point to return to greatness per se. The 2009 edition is up for grabs and, so far, there are no bids yet.
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Its good to see the Unis Towers were fixed up - I heard they were so gutted that they were considering pulling them down.

Yes, the towers were reconstructed last year.

This is how they looked like in 1996:

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The twin UNIS towers, the tallest buildings in Sarajevo, next to the Holiday Inn were a symbol of Yugoslavia's former state of brotherhood and unity. The towers were nicknamed Momo and Uzeir, the Muslim and Serbian characters in Bosnian humor. Unfortunately, no one know which one was Momo and which one was Uzeir, so the Bosnian Serb forces shelled both of them.

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Hellow every one1 i think Sarajevo was a wonderfull city in 1984, and that was probably the best organized winter olympics to date! The country, the people, and every thing else was beautiful1 i will never forget those days! THe city was a jewel, a gem, representing the uniqeness of Yugoslavia! those where the days.....

Today, We all know sarajevo, is not apart of Yugoslavia any more, it is the capitale of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It has rebuilt tremendecly, from 1996, it is amazing to see the reconstruction that has gone to make it again, a beautiful Europian city. I hope Sarajevo does have the olympics in 2014, it will be a scence that things will be ok, and we can all live together again (serbs, moslems, and Croats)... right now it is nolonger the cultural gem it was just 20 years ago.. It is mainly moslem city, with a few thousand croats, serbs, and jews. Soudi Arabia has put a lot of money into making the city a real moslem city.. New mosques have bin built, and the most surprising thing is seeing women where berka's..... i do not think it is bad, but it is not europian, never has a woman before the war worn a berka, alough evan before sarajevo had a large moslem population... so, what has happend to the serbs, and Croats... well they have gon to "there own territory.. thousands, and thousands of serbs fled the city at the end of the war fearing the moslem government... i hope maybe if sarajevo has the olympics it will show the serbs, and croats that it is ok, and good to live in sarajevo again... that is why i think sarajevo deserves this more than any thing, it would change the city overnight, more investsments would be made, jods, reconsiliation... it would be like the old days...so i support sarajevo %110  :grinning:

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:D  :D  :D

Sarajevo to host Winter OG, ha, ha.

DJ by INFRASTRUCTURE people mean constructed venues acceptable by latest IOC requirements and not 20 year old school hall's. Also in what state is BiH telecommunication infrastructure?.

To run Olympics you need millions and millions spent in improving IT and telephony between venues and venue and city. And what about optic fibre for broadcasting and IT.

Don't bother yourself with idea of Sarajevo and Olympics, at least for another 40 years.

You don't have money or skilled people to pull that out.

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Sarajevo to host Winter OG, ha, ha.

DJ by INFRASTRUCTURE people mean constructed venues acceptable by latest IOC requirements and not 20 year old school hall's. Also in what state is BiH telecommunication infrastructure?.

To run Olympics you need millions and millions spent in improving IT and telephony between venues and venue and city. And what about optic fibre for broadcasting and IT.

Don't bother yourself with idea of Sarajevo and Olympics, at least for another 40 years.

You don't have money or skilled people to pull that out.

:laughlong:

It's the idealism of it, you stupid prick.

A country at least trying after such pain is hardly a laughing matter.

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woohoo

you are dumber then you look.

What idealisam are you talking about, fool, where would they get money. Complete  country is in ruins, no roads, no hotels and you think they should spend millions on Olympics. They are better  build hospitals.

Didn't you said they should rebuilt country.

"IDEALISM" and Olympics in Sarajevo.c c c c c c

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you are dumber then you look.

What idealisam are you talking about, fool, where would they get money. Complete  country is in ruins, no roads, no hotels and you think they should spend millions on Olympics. They are better  build hospitals.

Didn't you said they should rebuilt country.

"IDEALISM" and Olympics in Sarajevo.c c c c c c

do you even know the country? it's not as bad as you think it is, Bosnia-Herzegovinia is near the passing line of being able to host a Winter Olympics. the country is a lot more stable than you think and a lot of infrastructure has been built since the war.

"...in ruins, no roads, no hotels...." - this is not Afghanistan where they only have 1 d@mn traffic light in the whole country!

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Been there in '84, '90, '91 and 03 for four weeks.

Out of 3 biggest and best hotels 2 are closed, for a looong time (Europa, Bristol) only decent hotel in City is Holiday Inn and that hotel will be enough only for Olympic family during games.

There are few smaller hotels but nothing nowhere near enough for WOG. -

Roads leading to the Sarajevo are definitely worts in Europe, I drove through Macedonia (sorry Greeks, FYROM), Bulgaria, SCG and Albania. BiH roads do not have any signs, no lines marked, and not to mention any light anywhere until you enter Sarajevo. I will not even touch on subject oh enormous holes in the road.

Out of all resorts only Jahorina have some form of infrastructure (again huge potholes on the road) and very, very limited room availability in small hotels.

Bjelasnica (my favourite Mountain in the world) have Famos hotel that is approx 1 star rating.

In city you have Zetra, today Zetra could be venue only for Curling leg of WOG or Short track, so they need another FS venue $$$$$$$$. Hmmm, Skenderija could be renovated but seating capacity is not enough in Ice-rink layout.

S Skating rink is still there and may be used, they would have to add extra seating.

Bob and Luge is OK, need major restoration $$$$$$

They will need money to build; Hotels, roads, venues, IT infrastructure, Broadcast, etc, etc. And here we are talking over 900 million Euro minimum to get them to planning stage, 2 years out of start of OG. That is figure without any security consideration.

Where would they get money?????????? Government can't even dream of having such a sum at disposal. Foreign sponsors and IOC top five would not cover even half of that.

Should they take a loan from IMF????? When and how or by whom would that be repaid????

Their economy is on very shaky legs, with no upturn in near future. Pensioners don't get any money for more then 3 months in a row!!!!!!!!!!! because government don't have money (I heard that on TV) and some of them for over a year without pension!!!!!!!

If they ever get 900mill Euro they should spend that on improving standard of living for pensioners, kids, hospitals, etc.

I don't believe that IOC would ever award them WOG until country get to some normal stage.

Uhhh, I forgot that they would have to build Olympic Village, Main Press Center (Vancouver will have 2, one in city and other in Whistler) and International Broadcast Center.

I am not pessimist, I am optimist. In Sarajevo case they still have to do much work to be considered as realistic bid for WOG.

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Been there in '84, '90, '91 and 03 for four weeks.

Out of 3 biggest and best hotels 2 are closed, for a looong time (Europa, Bristol) only decent hotel in City is Holiday Inn and that hotel will be enough only for Olympic family during games.

There are few smaller hotels but nothing nowhere near enough for WOG. -

Roads leading to the Sarajevo are definitely worts in Europe, I drove through Macedonia (sorry Greeks, FYROM), Bulgaria, SCG and Albania. BiH roads do not have any signs, no lines marked, and not to mention any light anywhere until you enter Sarajevo. I will not even touch on subject oh enormous holes in the road.

Out of all resorts only Jahorina have some form of infrastructure (again huge potholes on the road) and very, very limited room availability in small hotels.

Bjelasnica (my favourite Mountain in the world) have Famos hotel that is approx 1 star rating.

In city you have Zetra, today Zetra could be venue only for Curling leg of WOG or Short track, so they need another FS venue $$$$$$$$. Hmmm, Skenderija could be renovated but seating capacity is not enough in Ice-rink layout.

S Skating rink is still there and may be used, they would have to add extra seating.

Bob and Luge is OK, need major restoration $$$$$$

They will need money to build; Hotels, roads, venues, IT infrastructure, Broadcast, etc, etc. And here we are talking over 900 million Euro minimum to get them to planning stage, 2 years out of start of OG. That is figure without any security consideration.

Where would they get money?????????? Government can't even dream of having such a sum at disposal. Foreign sponsors and IOC top five would not cover even half of that.

Should they take a loan from IMF????? When and how or by whom would that be repaid????

Their economy is on very shaky legs, with no upturn in near future. Pensioners don't get any money for more then 3 months in a row!!!!!!!!!!! because government don't have money (I heard that on TV) and some of them for over a year without pension!!!!!!!

If they ever get 900mill Euro they should spend that on improving standard of living for pensioners, kids, hospitals, etc.

I don't believe that IOC would ever award them WOG until country get to some normal stage.

Uhhh, I forgot that they would have to build Olympic Village, Main Press Center (Vancouver will have 2, one in city and other in Whistler) and International Broadcast Center.

I am not pessimist, I am optimist. In Sarajevo case they still have to do much work to be considered as realistic bid for WOG.

i still think their government should try to host the Olympics, and i don't see Sarajevo hosting until the 2020s. still, it would be very good for the country and its economy.

If Sarajevo hosts a Winter Olympics:

- will show the world that the country is being renewed, that it's not a war torn country

- a lot of needed infrastructure will be built

    - will attract people and corporations

    - will attract a lot of tourism

    - will do a great deal for the economy

Sarajevo in my eyes is a city that has almost enough to host a Winter Olympics. Remember that it takes money to create profit. in this case, a lot of money and a huge huge huge profit.

the government of Sarajevo could build a lot of hotels or houses for spectators and Olympic and Media villages. think of how much good all this housing could do. most of these housing units could be turned into social housing and some could be turned into hospitals, schools, and even universities. for the Winter Olympics, that's 5,000 athletes/villages and at least 30,000 hotel rooms.

the venues could be tourist attractions and for recreation/community use.

the media centres could be turned into convention centres if not already and/or created into commercial use.

let's see. Vancouver 2010 has already confirmed that $900 million will come from tv rights and other commercial profits. NBC is paying $820 million for 2010 with $620 million of that going to Vancouver 2010. the games in Vancouver will cost $2 billion and there will be $6 billion in infrastructure projects that will be done in time for 2010. the people should understand that there will be so much good out of a Sarajevo Olympic Winter Games - couldn't the country create multiple lotteries to pay for the games and could raise taxes slightly.

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Been there in '84, '90, '91 and 03 for four weeks.

Out of 3 biggest and best hotels 2 are closed, for a looong time (Europa, Bristol) only decent hotel in City is Holiday Inn and that hotel will be enough only for Olympic family during games.

There are few smaller hotels but nothing nowhere near enough for WOG. -

Roads leading to the Sarajevo are definitely worts in Europe, I drove through Macedonia (sorry Greeks, FYROM), Bulgaria, SCG and Albania. BiH roads do not have any signs, no lines marked, and not to mention any light anywhere until you enter Sarajevo. I will not even touch on subject oh enormous holes in the road.

Out of all resorts only Jahorina have some form of infrastructure (again huge potholes on the road) and very, very limited room availability in small hotels.

Bjelasnica (my favourite Mountain in the world) have Famos hotel that is approx 1 star rating.

In city you have Zetra, today Zetra could be venue only for Curling leg of WOG or Short track, so they need another FS venue $$$$$$$$. Hmmm, Skenderija could be renovated but seating capacity is not enough in Ice-rink layout.

S Skating rink is still there and may be used, they would have to add extra seating.

Bob and Luge is OK, need major restoration $$$$$$

They will need money to build; Hotels, roads, venues, IT infrastructure, Broadcast, etc, etc. And here we are talking over 900 million Euro minimum to get them to planning stage, 2 years out of start of OG. That is figure without any security consideration.

Where would they get money?????????? Government can't even dream of having such a sum at disposal. Foreign sponsors and IOC top five would not cover even half of that.

Should they take a loan from IMF????? When and how or by whom would that be repaid????

Their economy is on very shaky legs, with no upturn in near future. Pensioners don't get any money for more then 3 months in a row!!!!!!!!!!! because government don't have money (I heard that on TV) and some of them for over a year without pension!!!!!!!

If they ever get 900mill Euro they should spend that on improving standard of living for pensioners, kids, hospitals, etc.

I don't believe that IOC would ever award them WOG until country get to some normal stage.

Uhhh, I forgot that they would have to build Olympic Village, Main Press Center (Vancouver will have 2, one in city and other in Whistler) and International Broadcast Center.

I am not pessimist, I am optimist. In Sarajevo case they still have to do much work to be considered as realistic bid for WOG.

You should have stated that first, instead of making a stupid comment. Good arguement though...

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Mr X

Yes that would be nice, but (there is always but) from logical perspective, let's take your idea of building lot's of hotels and Convention Centers.

- What would they do with those hotels after Olympics.

- There must be demand for those rooms after OG, if not how would sallaries be paid, bills, etc, etc. Hotel neglected and after few years, bust, sold to private hands for small change (that's how they sold Holiday Inn in Sarajevo) and government lost money.

- BiH is not privatised in order to get private sector to dish out money for any projects.

- Sponsorship. It's easy for V2010 to find Olympic sponsors, you have so many rich companies that for them sponsoring OG is not that big deal. Telus, Bell-West, etc, etc.

- In BiH there are number of small companies, but none of them with big capital behind them. Foreignh companies do not have interest in sponsoring OG in other contry, except where their main market is.

Only IOC top sponsors are in , but they come from IOC side, such as Samsung, Panasonic, Kodak, etc, etc. Each organising committee must find rest of sponsorship. Forget about North America market, Sarajevo OG would be in not so good time zone, ie , not live transmition therfore sponsor value drops down, down, down.

I really could go on and on, but I am 100% sure they would not get their money back as you said, never, no OG does.

Tourisam, it did not work after 1984 why would it work after 2014 or which ever year would it be.

If you had 10.000CAD to spend on European winter holiday where would you go???? Sarajevo or Swiss Alps ,where you have all resorts and many past OG citys within 2 hours drive

- Olympic village turned in to the Social housing.

Housing is not problem there, they build houses where ever they want, no planning at all.

If I where IOC rep I would set them with list of the points that they have to achive before being considered for WOG again, such as;

1. Admited in to the EU, that mean sustainable economy

2. Mayor roads improved for their people safety not for OG bid.

3. Plan for rebuilding some venues that can be used for OG, over long period of time, not to loan/spend s__load of money and say "we done it".

4.

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7.

You fill in rest I'm sure you will have something to add.

And again to stress, I am not negative just logical...

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Mr X

Yes that would be nice, but (there is always but) from logical perspective, let's take your idea of building lot's of hotels and Convention Centers.

- What would they do with those hotels after Olympics.

- There must be demand for those rooms after OG, if not how would sallaries be paid, bills, etc, etc. Hotel neglected and after few years, bust, sold to private hands for small change (that's how they sold Holiday Inn in Sarajevo) and government lost money.

- BiH is not privatised in order to get private sector to dish out money for any projects.

- Sponsorship. It's easy for V2010 to find Olympic sponsors, you have so many rich companies that for them sponsoring OG is not that big deal. Telus, Bell-West, etc, etc.

- In BiH there are number of small companies, but none of them with big capital behind them. Foreignh companies do not have interest in sponsoring OG in other contry, except where their main market is.

Only IOC top sponsors are in , but they come from IOC side, such as Samsung, Panasonic, Kodak, etc, etc. Each organising committee must find rest of sponsorship. Forget about North America market, Sarajevo OG would be in not so good time zone, ie , not live transmition therfore sponsor value drops down, down, down.

I really could go on and on, but I am 100% sure they would not get their money back as you said, never, no OG does.

Tourisam, it did not work after 1984 why would it work after 2014 or which ever year would it be.

If you had 10.000CAD to spend on European winter holiday where would you go???? Sarajevo or Swiss Alps ,where you have all resorts and many past OG citys within 2 hours drive

- Olympic village turned in to the Social housing.

Housing is not problem there, they build houses where ever they want, no planning at all.

If I where IOC rep I would set them with list of the points that they have to achive before being considered for WOG again, such as;

1. Admited in to the EU, that mean sustainable economy

2. Mayor roads improved for their people safety not for OG bid.

3. Plan for rebuilding some venues that can be used for OG, over long period of time, not to loan/spend s__load of money and say "we done it".

4.

5.

6.

7.

You fill in rest I'm sure you will have something to add.

And again to stress, I am not negative just logical...

i had a better reply for this three days ago but my computer froze just before i clicked add reply. i'm not even sure what i said that day. anyway:

i said the hotels/spectator accomodation could become social housing after the Olympics and that's a lot of social housing plus the athletes villages. i also said that they could become universities, schools, libraries, colleges, libraries, police stations, fire stations, whatever. the convention centres could be partly sold to become part commercial and part convention centre - who knows, they could become malls.

if you build it, they will come. for this country, you can't just build a ski hill and expect tourists - you have to improve everything. Bosnia will have to spend like $30 billion US on a urban renewal and beautification. it's not for the Olympics, it's for the people and for the future of the country. i believe that there will be cash flowing in like crazy if this country hosts the Olympics.

again using "if you build it, they will come," think of all the jobs it will create and all the people it will attract across Europe. with so many projects for the Olympics, infrastructure, and beautification, they are bound to create hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of jobs.

The Olympics in Sarajevo will get rid of Bosnia's war torn image in the world.

also, Sarajevo 1984 didn't get any tourism and economical benefits because the country was in war right after the Olympics.

the venues could become tourist attractions and some venues can be temporary.

plus, wouldn't it be easier to buy cheap/social housing than build a house in the middle of nowhere?

in a way, i do think i'm thinking too big here and there.

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Beentheredoneit, what part of Serbia are you from?  I am sure you are familiar with Bosnia's $350 billion lawsuit against Serbia for aggression and genocide, that is going to be finalized by 2006.  

Soon, the Olympics will be pocket change for us. :D

Telecommunications: http://www.telecom.ba

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Beentheredoneit, what part of Serbia are you from?  I am sure you are familiar with Bosnia's $350 billion lawsuit against Serbia for aggression and genocide, that is going to be finalized by 2006.  

Soon, the Olympics will be pocket change for us. :D

Telecommunications: http://www.telecom.ba

Does S&M have that kind of money?  :shocked:

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Beentheredoneit, what part of Serbia are you from?  I am sure you are familiar with Bosnia's $350 billion lawsuit against Serbia for aggression and genocide, that is going to be finalized by 2006.  

Soon, the Olympics will be pocket change for us. :D

Telecommunications: http://www.telecom.ba

Does S&M have that kind of money?  :shocked:

It will be paid off in 50 or 100 years, so either $7 or $3.5 billion a year.

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Well, I don't know. S&M doesn't look like it has that kind of cash, but what do I know about that part of the world.

At least, it is not the "symbolic" $1-trillion-plus US lawsuit, by 9-11 victims, against those who "financed" the all-too-well-known tragedy.

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