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1996: Athenswins the games and does a beautiful job at hosting

1998: Nanagonarrowly wins the games over Salt Lake City, because the IOC realizes that the US has hosted the games 5 times compared to Japan’s 2 times before, giving the games to Japan

2000: Sydneywins the games over candidate Atlanta, Beijing and Toronto

2002: Ostersundeasily wins when the US and Canada both decide to concentrate more on the Summer games, rather than the Winter Games, upsetting Salt Lake City and Vancouver.

2004: Huge Battle between candidates Atlanta, Toronto, Beijing, Rome, Buenos Aires and Cape Town. In the final round of voting between Atlanta, Beijing and Totonto, Atlantawins, bearly beating out Beijing and Toronto.

2006: Canada deciding that their chances aren’t to good, Vancouver opts out, Sion, Helsinki and Turin bid. Turin is dropped first because the Italian Olympic Committee would rather work for the Summer Games. Helsinkibeats out Sion by 4 votes.

2008: Beijing, Toronto, Paris, and Rome all bid. Beijingworking they asses off easily beats out Toronto, Rome and Paris.

2010: Canada finally ready for another bid, put forth Vancouver. The United States, feeling lucky, also puts forth Salt Lake City (Sounds like something that happened eight years earlier, strange). Italy trying hard to secure any Olympics, they submit Turin. Austria submits Salzburg and South Korea puts forth PyongChang. France decides to put forth Annecy, just because they’re board and because they can. After a long day of voting, the IOC decides to give the games to Vancouver, hoping that they will being something “fresh” to the Olympics.

2012: Bids come from Paris, London, Rome, Madrid and Moscow. The US considers submitting NYC, but decides it’s too soon after Atlanta 2004. The IOC tired of the completion between London and Paris, gives the games to Madrid, pissing off Italy.

2014: The US deciding to bid again. Salt Lake City is selected, bearly beating out Denver. Italy trying to appear not upset after the 2012 bid submit Turin. Salzburg and PyongChang also bid, but take a back seat to Salt Lake and Turin. Just like with the 2012 bid, Salt Lake City and Turin cancel each other out. Salzburgis selected because the IOC would like to see Europe host again.

2016: Another big race between London, Paris and Rome. Again London and Paris compete for the games, and Rome takes it easy, taking a back seat to London and Paris. The IOC finally decides to give the games to Italy, and Romewins the bid.

2018: The US Olympic committeesees it's chance to get the games, but once again, but decides to bid with Denver isted, beucase everybody in Salt Lake City are now drunk, becuase of the loosing the games so many times. PyongChang, Sochi, and Sofia also bid. The US being the US, puts forth everything it has, and Denver easly wins the bid.

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1996: Athens

1998: Nagano (they still would have cheated)

2000: Sydney (even with Atlanta bidding, the IOC finally takes a minute and goes: Atlanta? As if.)

2002: Salt Lake City (too good to deny twice in a row)

2004: Paris (Lille: What were they thinking?)

2006: Sion (Turin wouldn't have bid)

2008: Beijing (too tempting)

2010: Ostersund (Sweden deserves a break)

2012: Chicago (implementing their current plan for 2016)

2014: PyeongChang (excellent plan)

2016: London

2018: Sochi

2020: Kuala Lumpur (legacy games for Rogge)

2022: Denver

2024: Madrid

2026: Sarajevo (for old times sake)

2028: Brisbane (Oceania needs to be back in the loop at some stage)

2030: Harbin

2032: Toronto (finally)

2034: Turin (finally)

2036: Berlin (centennial and all that)

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If Athens had won in 1996, it would have thrown a big wrinkle in the entire process. First, it seems doubtful to me that the USOC would have picked Atlanta again, citing that a higher profile city (NY, SF, LA, Chicago, DC or Boston) would have been needed to win international appeal. Plus, I also think it would have paved the way for SLC 1998 (they only lost by 4 votes and were likely hampered by Atlanta being only 2 years apart). Plus, with a NA bid being a real possibility, it is likely that Canada would have put a push on for Toronto 2000 – meaning no Quebec City 2002 bid and a possible win for Japan in 2002. But how would that have impacted the 2002 World Cup and vice versa?

The 2000 race would have been very different. Toronto and a US city would have been able to enter easily and European bids would be stalled by a potential 3-peat. What would a Toronto, Sydney, US, Beijing contest be like? I think Beijing would have still lost because of fresh memories of 1989, but which Anglo city would have made it through? Toronto 2000 would have postponed Vancouver for a few years.

Depending on how that panned out, 2004 would have also been different. Would a Toronto or US win in 2000 mean a fourth consecutive Aussie bid? What about the Europeans? Rome and Stockholm are likely, but would Paris have entered? Of if Sydney took 2000, would North America have entered?

It is just too complicated to figure out.

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1996: Athenswins the games and does a beautiful job at hosting

1998: Nanagonarrowly wins the games over Salt Lake City, because the IOC realizes that the US has hosted the games 5 times compared to Japan’s 2 times before, giving the games to Japan

2000: Sydneywins the games over candidate Atlanta, Beijing and Toronto

2002: Ostersundeasily wins when the US and Canada both decide to concentrate more on the Summer games, rather than the Winter Games, upsetting Salt Lake City and Vancouver.

2004: Huge Battle between candidates Atlanta, Toronto, Beijing, Rome, Buenos Aires and Cape Town. In the final round of voting between Atlanta, Beijing and Totonto, Atlantawins, bearly beating out Beijing and Toronto.

2006: Canada deciding that their chances aren’t to good, Vancouver opts out, Sion, Helsinki and Turin bid. Turin is dropped first because the Italian Olympic Committee would rather work for the Summer Games. Helsinkibeats out Sion by 4 votes.

2008: Beijing, Toronto, Paris, and Rome all bid. Beijingworking they asses off easily beats out Toronto, Rome and Paris.

2010: Canada finally ready for another bid, put forth Vancouver. The United States, feeling lucky, also puts forth Salt Lake City (Sounds like something that happened eight years earlier, strange). Italy trying hard to secure any Olympics, they submit Turin. Austria submits Salzburg and South Korea puts forth PyongChang. France decides to put forth Annecy, just because they’re board and because they can. After a long day of voting, the IOC decides to give the games to Vancouver, hoping that they will being something “fresh” to the Olympics.

2012: Bids come from Paris, London, Rome, Madrid and Moscow. The US considers submitting NYC, but decides it’s too soon after Atlanta 2004. The IOC tired of the completion between London and Paris, gives the games to Madrid, pissing off Italy.

2014: The US deciding to bid again. Salt Lake City is selected, bearly beating out Denver. Italy trying to appear not upset after the 2012 bid submit Turin. Salzburg and PyongChang also bid, but take a back seat to Salt Lake and Turin. Just like with the 2012 bid, Salt Lake City and Turin cancel each other out. Salzburgis selected because the IOC would like to see Europe host again.

2016: Another big race between London, Paris and Rome. Again London and Paris compete for the games, and Rome takes it easy, taking a back seat to London and Paris. The IOC finally decides to give the games to Italy, and Romewins the bid.

2018: The US Olympic committeesees it's chance to get the games, but once again, but decides to bid with Denver isted, beucase everybody in Salt Lake City are now drunk, becuase of the loosing the games so many times. PyongChang, Sochi, and Sofia also bid. The US being the US, puts forth everything it has, and Denver easly wins the bid.

Interesting scenario, but I see some flaws in your logic.

1998 - The combined previous US hostings would not have hurt SLC's bid. It was the immediate hosting of Atlanta that hurt the bid the most. That is eliminated in this question. SLC may have still lost to Nagano, but not for that reason.

2002 - Canada's bid was Quebec City.

2004 - doubtful that the USOC would have sent Atlanta a third time and same doubts for a third consecutive bid from Toronto. And even so, in that race, Atlanta would not have stood a chance.

2008 - again, doubtful that Toronto would have bid a 4th time, especially not after "Atlanta 04". Bids are expensive and exhaustive. Speaking of that, where's Istanbul? ; )

2006 - remember that in the real race, Helsinki was elminiated before voting even began. Why? Their mountain plan was deemed unacceptable (it was in Norway).

2012 - can't argue with the list of candidates since it is almost identical to the acutal list, but it is pretty clear that London would have won.

2014 - doubtful that the USOC would have bid a) after Vancouver won and B) a 4th SLC bid? Also, where is Russia? The failure of Moscow's prevous bid played a significant role in Sochi's 2014 bid and ultimate victory.

2016 - unlikely to see consecutive European wins again (in this world, we already had Barcelona 1992 and Athens 1996).

2018 - hmmm, likely the most realistic situation given these conditions and options. Denver would be hard to beat in that race.

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Just to bump this up again.

If I may say so, one of the best GB threads evah. Newbies (that means you - james), take note of the quality of the posts and the flow of the thread.

BTW, the sequence is all JUMBLED up for some reason. So you're going to have to piece together by dates for some of it to make sense.

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1996 - Athens wins the games over Atlanta and others. Puts Montreal to shame with their inability to have all venues ready on time.

1998 - Nagano wins. Their lying abilities beat out SLC's lavish gifts.

2000 - Sydney is awarded the games. Juan Antonio Samaranch, who had supported Bejing suspects some sort of backroom deal as many of the IOC members attend the announcement with a gift pack containing boomerangs, stuffed wombats and a Fosters.

2002 - Quebec City, SLC and a few other European cities nobody has ever heard of all bid. The Salt Lake Organizers provide pet pekingese to the German and French IOC reps and are awarded the games. A scandal ensues.

2004 - Incensed that it has been 8 long years since Europe last hosted a games, a large contingent of European cities bid for the games. However, the old facist, JAS, throws a tantrum and threatens to hold his breath until he passes out unless Bejing is awarded the games. As nobody wants to give him mouth-to-mouth recessitation in the event that happens, Bejing is awarded the prize.

2006 - Now totally pissed that they haven't hosted a games in 10 years, 6 European cities vie for the prize. Rumors of threats to Peyong Chang of an air strike in the event they also try to bid are hushed. Turin wins.

2008 - Feeling that the time is right for the games to return to North America, Toronto and San Francisco launch spirited bids against Manchester, Lille, Madrid, Rome, Istanbul and Stockholm. The Europeans, however decide that even tho they had just hosted a Winter Games, the fact that it had been 12 long years since they last hosted a Summer Games gave rise to a surprising win by Madrid. Sweeden, Britain and France are pissed that another Spanish city is hosting only 16 years after Barcelona. JAS merely smirks.

2010 - Low television ratings from the previous two Olympics and a realization that the coffers were getting a bit lean, the IOC decides that the games need to return to North America - and fast! Vancouver rode in to save the day against a formidable Peyong Chang.

2012 - Knowing that the television coffers are in good shape - at least for now - the IOC decided to get experimental. Rio, New York, London, Paris and Moscow all bid. Between New Yorks inability of getting the proposed stadium approved and the fact that if they won it would be two back-to-back-games in North America which is a no-no, Rio pulls off an exciting last minute win over London.

2014 - Ready to do battle, Peyong Chang rides into the Singapore session confident that they will be chosen. Unbeknown to them, Vladamir Putin has been making noises as to where he might put new military installations if Sochi is not awarded the games and where he would be pointing his missles. Sochi wins.

2016 - Horrified when he went to use the television coffer debit card at an ATM and was rejected, Jaques Rogge holds an emergency meeting urging his fellow members to award the next Summer Games to North America. The IOC members are reluctant as Rio just held the games and isn't Chicago in the same country? (A few of them are geographically challenged). Reminiscent of their mutiny against JAS 16 years earlier, London is chosen over a field including Paris, Chicago, Tokyo, Dahu and Prague. The Tokyo head of the organizing committee promptly commits suicide. Mayor Richard Daly of Chicago throws a fit and dies of a heart attack. The London games become known as "The Games of Death."

2018 - When NBC refuses to renew their contract after the 2016 snub of Chicago and no other American network will carry the games except for the CW, the banks close the IOC television account. Realizing now that the IOC is in dire straights and that the remodeling of his villa might not be completed, the new president of the IOC calls Calgary and asks if they'd like to hold the games again. As they were available the IOC chooses them over Peyong Chang and a few other European cities nobody has ever heard of. The Korean delegation goes berserk and wrecks the ballroom where the announcement was made.

2020 - The IOC, angry that the CW network preempted a lot of the television coverage of the London games with reruns of Judge Judy and Designing Women, approaches NBC about a new contract, suggesting on the sly that an American games was just around the corner. NBC agrees and perennial host Los Angeles is chosen over a formidable Melbourne, Tokyo, Paris and Instanbul. The leader of the Tokyo contingent promptly commits suicide. Teenaged members of the Olympic chat board Gamesbids.com are incensed that Los Angeles was chosen to host right after the Calgary WOG's and denounce the number of times that North America has hosted.

At this point I will probably be dead so don't really care who gets what after 2020 :P

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Interesting thread. I always have believed that the election of Atlanta somehow was a big mistake from the IOC and the corrupted members who chose Atlanta and then Salt Lake City. If Athens would have persuaded the voters in that time, not because their professionalism, but the meaning of the Centennial Games in the birth place of the ancient and modern Olympics on greek soil, I think the international panorama and paradigmas about the futures elections would change dramatically.

Athens 1996

For the winter edition in 1998 probably the IOC members could use the same thing what they did for Albertville when Barcelona got the Summer Games and Paris was out for the 1992 Games. And Torino became the host city because Rome 2004 fail and it looks the same witht he case of Moscow 2012 and the surprising award of Sochi. And all that because Primo Nebiolo had an important position in the IOC.

Salt Lake City 1998

Then for the 2000 games, I think the race wouldn't change awarding Sydney for the first III Millenium Games. Giving high expectations for Beijing and Istanbul.

Sydney 2000

In 2002 the swedish pride, after the humilliating result for the 1994 winter Olympics versus the tiny village of neighbooring Norway, would have been more intensen making the IOC voters to elect Östersund finally.

Österdund 2002

For the most interesting Olympic bid contest ever: Cape Town, Buenos Aires, Rome, Istanbul and Beijing would have become the 5 finalist. Beijing decides to come back with the hope of getting the games this time, but it was Cape Town the one who collected the biggest amount of votes, leaving Rome in second place as it was in reality. Beijing in 3rd, Buenos Aires in 4th and Istanbul in the last. Breaking paradigmas and distribuiting the games all over the globe. And the first Olympics in Africa.

Cape Town 2004

The 2006 winter Olympics starts to change this idea that everybody is having about them; a way to get rid of the political commitments. So Torino is out and South Korea starts to bid earlier with Muju or Pyongchang. So, with Nagano's bid out, Pyonchangs becomes the Olympic city in this edition.

Pyongchang 2006

In 2008 definitely Beiing gets the games, taking the winter and the summer olympics to the extreme east and breaking paradigmas and western domination.

Beijing 2008

After Canada has been trying many times to take back the games with cities like Toronto and Quebec City, whether they were summer or winter, it succeeds. Vancouver gets the games.

Vancouver 2010

Istanbul in 2012 tries as usual and together with Paris, London, Madrid and New York get to the final round. Moscow fails. The winner is Europe, but in the edge of Asia. After all, the big success of Cape Town and Beijing made the IOC to consider new alternatives. For the first time the games are held in a muslim country.

Istanbul 2012

The winter Olympics also get the same universal conception, but still too early for the southern hemisphere, because the lack of serious bids. So the finalist cities are Sochi, Salzburg and Sofia. Still the hopst city is Sochi.

Sochi 2014

After Sydney 2000 (Oceania), Cape Town 2004 (Africa), Beijing 2008 (Asia) and Istanbul 2012 (Europe) representing each olympic ring and the olympic movement gets more popularity and credibility, the IOC follows the same formula and awards Rio de Janeiro. Instead of Chicago, it would stil be New York the one who bids.

Rio de Janeiro 2016

The next race will be among southern cities. Breaking prejudices, the IOC gives it a chance and increases its popularity. Chirstchurch and Santiago are the favorites for this edition. But in order to avoid what happened in 2006 and 2008 witht he games in Asia, New Zeland becomes the first country to organise the winter games under the Ecuador Line.

Christchurch 2018

2020 becomes also interesting after all that background made by the IOC and many cities from every continent start bidding. After all, from 2000 to 2016 the olympic torch was lighted in avery continent.

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1996 – Athens wins and is slow to start but just makes it in time and runs the best and friendliest games ever a true reflection on what the Olympics means after 100 years. Coke spits the dump about games not going to Atlanta and pulls all IOC and NOC sponsorships world wide but Chines soft drink maker that no one out of China has ever heard of steps in and gets a better deal than Coke ever had.

1998 – Nagano win with better bribes and gifts for IOC Members then Salt Lake. Salt Lake blows the whistle on what they did to try and get the games. IOC runs a full investigation and dumps Nagano as host and gives games to Ostersund Sweden.

2000 – Beijing wins by 1 vote over Sydney. (Atlanta couldn’t afford to run without Coke) The Chines run great games everything ready well before time and China knocks the USA off the top of the Medal tally. The whole world now knows and drinks Chines soft drink.

2002 – Bidding now under much tighter restrictions Sion gets the games. USA, Japan and Spain banned from bidding due to 1998 fiasco.

2004 – Bidder are Toronto, Istanbul, Melbourne, Buenos Aires and Cape Town. With new bidding rules final vote is cut down to 3 cities and in a landslide vote Cape Town wins. Cape Town very slow to start and threatened they will lose the games but they get there in the end but only just.

2006 – with the last 3 winter games held in Europe and the USA still not keen on bidding yet Vancouver have a go and beat Turin but Turin almost certin to get 2010 due to there excellent bid.

2008 – USOC feels they have paid there dues and receives offers from 6 US cities to bid they cant split LA and New York so they allow then to go head to head with Paris, Istanbul and Melbourne. IOC member confused about 2 US cities bidding and in the vote Melbourne gets the games just ahead of Paris. The Olympics back in the world sports capital.

2010 – as predicted Turin gets the games in the first round of voting. Salt Lake did bid but pulled early. PyeongChang and Helsinki also bid.

2012 – Paris, Rome, Madrid, Moscow and Las Vegas all bid. Moscow pulls out early sighting lack of community support and feels to many European cities going for the games. Las Vegas win with bold plans to rebuild most of the city to host the games all sports and villages in the same area. Olympic city will be fully self sufficient and environmentally friendly. IOC so impressed with facilities in Vegas the consider moving IOC there. Europe almost cretin to get the 2016 games

*Coke was bought out by the Chines soft drink maker in 2010 and still is in IOC TOP program

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After 4 European cities bid for the 2012 games and lost out the USA the European IOC members all got together and convinced the IOC President (still Rogge) to implement a rotation policy for bidding cities. Europe 2016 South America 2020 Asia/Oceania 2024 and then the rotation policy was scrapped before 2024 by the new IOC President who was from USA. Sounds a bit like FIFA really.

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Only difference I see if Athens had won 96 is who would have hosted 2004 and 2008. That is pretty much it.

Not that simple. It can be easily argued that Athens beating Atlanta for 1996 pushes Salt Lake into the winner's circle for 1998. That's the ripple effect I was talking about because now the United States has a much stronger case to bid for their next Summer Olympics in 2008 or 2012. So I disagree.. I think an Athens win in 1996 changes a lot more than just the 2 hosts.

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OK, my attempt:

Summer 1988: Sydney (bicentennial)

Winter 1992: Ostersund

Summer 1992: Paris

Winter 1994: Salt Lake

Summer 1996: Athens (moved to Toronto)

Winter 1998: Nagano

Summer 2000: Madrid

Winter 2002: Munich

Summer 2004: Beijing

Winter 2006: Vancouver

Summer 2008: London

Winter 2010: Torino

Summer 2012: New York City

Winter 2014: Pyeongchang

Summer 2016: Athens

Winter 2018: Sochi

Summer 2020: Rio

Winter 2022: Lake Placid

Summer 2024: Tokyo

Great dredging Rols, can you bring the original Ceremonies on YouTube back please? :)

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See, I want to know if we can try and make a complete database of all ceremonies that we have YouTube links for, either complete or in part.

U can't. We/you don't own the rights to the Official ceremonies footage. That belongs to the IOC -- unless you're talking about privately shot videos. So either download what's available on the net now -- or ask the IOC to establish such a database.

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Had more time to re-review this whole thread from the start. I don't know why the chronology of the first 4 pages or so, are all jumbled up. But I notice there was one great post that's missing -one to gladden the hearts of the Parisian parrisans. It's the one where Paris was awarded the Games for almost like 3x in a row as make-up for the slights inflicted on it in previous races. I can't recall who authored that post...but it went something like this.

1993 vote (for 2000) - Sydney wins.

1997 race (for 2004) - Paris wins due to the rigged results of the 1986/92 vote;

2001 vote (for 2008) - Beijing wins it (but 2 more Frenchies become IOC'ers)

2005 race (for 2012) - London squeaks by Paris (2 more Frenchies become IOC'ers)

2009 race (for 2016) - Paris wins again to make up for the 2001 loss.

2013 race (for 2020) - Paris wins again as a consolation prize for the narrow 2005 loss!!

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