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A big pity, we'll miss Prada's glamourous parties.

Ever wanted to own an authentic golf cart from the 32nd AC? or a train? Now you can bid for those amazingly useless objects, as well as laptops and TV screens, on the official auction of the America's Cup!

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A big pity, we'll miss Prada's glamourous parties.

Well there was much more than 'glomourous parties' there. They were one of the toughest challengers to beat.

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Well there was much more than 'glomourous parties' there. They were one of the toughest challengers to beat.

Of course, what I wanted to say was that not only we'll miss a great challenger, but also the "plus" of glamour Prada has brought to the city this last months.

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:mellow: Prehaps Prada might want to think again:

;)AC2007 Profit monies divvide up amongst participants.

Over $100million dollars in AC2007 profits have finally been split up. Naturally Alinghi and Team New Zealand took the lions share, very much needed for 2009 with vast new yachts on their ways (sic).

I hope Prada has a last minute change of heart, it would be sad to loose them.

Even so, we can now all see that a cartel of regular players have established themselves, firmly, in the America's Cup circut. I'm just wondering how a challenge from Australia can ever be ressurected against what are now VERY established players, not seen since the Bich French/Australia Challenge era of the 70's - early 80's. The British Victory Challenge will have to dig deep to be part of the game in 2009, suddenly it's all happening so fast for them.

I know that there are some Australians that are getting very peeved that Team New Zealand has still hung on and become one of that country's major "Sports Teams" that get Government funding, yet the federal Australian government doesn't want to know.

This Game is far from dead!

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:mellow: Prehaps Prada might want to think again:

;)AC2007 Profit monies divvide up amongst participants.

Over $100million dollars in AC2007 profits have finally been split up. Naturally Alinghi and Team New Zealand took the lions share, very much needed for 2009 with vast new yachts on their ways (sic).

I hope Prada has a last minute change of heart, it would be sad to loose them.

Even so, we can now all see that a cartel of regular players have established themselves, firmly, in the America's Cup circut. I'm just wondering how a challenge from Australia can ever be ressurected against what are now VERY established players, not seen since the Bich French/Australia Challenge era of the 70's - early 80's. The British Victory Challenge will have to dig deep to be part of the game in 2009, suddenly it's all happening so fast for them.

I know that there are some Australians that are getting very peeved that Team New Zealand has still hung on and become one of that country's major "Sports Teams" that get Government funding, yet the federal Australian government doesn't want to know.

This Game is far from dead!

Interesting to see that the money has been split up... ETNZ has done very well out of it which is good. But you are right. This just makes it harder for other nations to get into the event.

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Fielding an entry into the AC I think costs even more than entering a serious bid for the WOG. Chicago's budget is $30 mil for this go-around; altho I think they will end up spending more like $35 mil when all is said and done. God knows how much Doha will throw in if it makes the short list. I think Larry Ellison spent at least $70 mil of his own money for Oracle's participation.

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Fielding an entry into the AC I think costs even more than entering a serious bid for the WOG. Chicago's budget is $30 mil for this go-around; altho I think they will end up spending more like $35 mil when all is said and done. God knows how much Doha will throw in if it makes the short list. I think Larry Ellison spent at least $70 mil of his own money for Oracle's participation.

:mellow: Yeah Barron, big bikkies for a yacht race, but the America's Cup is The Yacht Race! It is now the Formula One of match racing, real cutting edge stuff. The prestige and glamour of this event is something that New Zealand, a former cup holding nation, knows all too well about. It's still riding the economic boom from hosting the AC and losing the 2007 Cup finals did it NO harm at all.

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So it looks like the Americas Cup is keeping up its long tradition of more action in the courts than on the water:

MADRID, Oct 3 AFP - The next America's Cup, scheduled to be held in Spain in 2009, may be postponed due to legal wrangling over competition rules, the organisers said today.

``As a consequence of the uncertainty and the delays arising from the Golden Gate Yacht Club law suit in New York, AC Management is concerned that the feasibility of organising the next America's Cup in Valencia in 2009 has been effectively compromised,'' ACM said in a statement.

``ACM is considering all options, including the possibility of postponing the event to a later date,'' the statement from the organisers added.

Any postponement, to 2010 or 2011, would be a hard blow for Valencia, which has staked a lot on the event and where this year's race was rated a great success.

Public Works Minister Elena Salgado said she was ``certain'' that the event will be held in 2009 as planned.

``There is no concern on the part of the Spanish government,'' she told reproters.

But the mayor of Valencia, Rita Barbera, was less optimistic, telling reporters she saw ``no disadvantage'' in the yachting race being held in 2010 if the legal dispute over the event's rules continues.

The Swiss team Alinghi, which retained the cup after beating Emirates Team New Zealand, announced the 33rd edition of the race would be held in two years, in 2009. Normally, the event is held every three or four years.

American BMW Oracle and other challengers have since July contested the new rules proposed by Alinghi, arguing they favour the reigning champions.

The Golden Gate Yacht Club (GGYC) of San Francisco, representing BMW Oracle, launched a legal challenge at a New York court and a first ruling is expected at the end of October.

The proposed amended rules reduce the powers that the organisers, ACM, have to disqualify or reject a competitor, change the protocol governing the race or remove members of the arbitration panel.

Alinghi team skipper Brad Butterworth said he has spoken to his peer at Oracle, fellow New Zealander Russell Coutts, to try to iron out the dispute in recent days but had had no success.

``We have spoken and nothing much happened,'' he told AFP by telephone from Saint-Tropez, France where he was taking part in a yachting competition.

``Nothing seems to satisfy them,'' he added.

The dispute has disrupted the organisation of the event, especially the search for sponsors, and only five challengers have officially declared themselves so far, against 11 who took part in this year's race in Valencia.

The five challengers are: Team New Zealand, Spain's Desafio, Shosholoza from South Africa, United Team Germany and a new challenger from Britain, Team Origin.

``We tried to negotiate, but we didn't find a solution,'' a spokeswoman for Alinghi told AFP.

A spokeswoman for Oracle also expressed concern.

``We are concerned by this because we are also very keen to see a successful event in Valencia in 2009,'' she told AFP.

``We have been urging mediation and/or a speeded-up court process for some time now to resolve the new protocol and the Defender has resisted this.

``But maybe this is the right time for everyone to get together and sort out this protocol once and for all so that we can all get on with a successful event like last time.''

The ACM statement noted that Alinghi's representatives, the Societe Nautique de Geneve (SNG), are trying to negotiate a settlement with GGYC.

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:rolleyes: HUH! :lol: Welcome to the America's Cup!

I can see the five challengers mention probibly being the only ones that will front in 2009. They simply have the advantage of match racing experience (bar team Origin) and will be able to adapt to the new class of yachts.

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you got to love the americas cup with all the court room dramas lol

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:angry:It was tooooooo good to be true!!!!! it really looks like XXXIII America's cup is to be reschedualed to 2011!!!!

So say's Brad Butterworth this past weekend, thank's to Oracle's court action - if Oracle win then a 1988 scenario may be played out. If cup holders, Alinghi, win they will have no choice but to pospone the event due to that fact that they would have run out of time to develop the new boats :( and other international events would have taken the prime spots untill then....Bummer!

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:angry:It was tooooooo good to be true!!!!! it really looks like XXXIII America's cup is to be reschedualed to 2011!!!!

So say's Brad Butterworth this past weekend, thank's to Oracle's court action - if Oracle win then a 1988 scenario may be played out. If cup holders, Alinghi, win they will have no choice but to pospone the event due to that fact that they would have run out of time to develop the new boats :( and other international events would have taken the prime spots untill then....Bummer!

well, nothing else would be happening in summer 2011 but the Women's World Cup -_- ; the equally boring IAAF Worlds ( 2 -_--_- ) and some nasty wildfires.

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Well, it's official. It definitely won't happen in 2009!

MADRID, Nov 22, 2007 (AFP) - The 33rd America's Cup, set to take place in Spain in 2009, has been postponed, and no new date set, due to a legal dispute over the rules of the sailing event, organizers AC Management said Thursday.

``The ongoing uncertainty around the conclusion of the New York court case brought by BMW Oracle Racing leaves the organizers no choice but to delay the event, as many indicators demonstrate a lack of viability to stage the event in 2009 to the same standards as the 32nd America's Cup,'' it said in a statement.

In July Oracle, whose home club is Golden Gate Yacht Club (GGYC) of San Francisco, filed a lawsuit accusing Alinghi of adopting a protocol for the sailing showpiece which is unfairly weighed in the Swiss defender's favour.

Oracle wants Alinghi to drop Desafio Espanol as its ``challenger of record'' and change the new rules, which include the introduction of a new, larger boat class, that the two sides have introduced.

The US team argues that the Spanish syndicate is an invalid challenger since it never held a regatta as required under the decades-old regulations that govern the America's Cup known as the ``deed of the gift''.

Alinghi, which represents Societe Nautique de Geneve, beat Team New Zealand 5-2 to win the 32nd America's Cup in Valencia in Spain in July, and with it the right to run their defence when and as they wish.

Talks between Alinghi and Oracle aimed at reaching an out-of-court settlement broke down Friday, after the Swiss side rejected a final compromise put forward by the US team which was backed by three of the seven challengers.

An Oracle spokesman said the postponement was ``unfortunate and unnecessary''.

Organizers said they did not know when the event would now take place.

``We are going to reflect to decide what date would be best,'' AC Management chief executive Michel Hodara told AFP.

Earlier this week Alinghi's lawyer Hamish Ross said the event would most likely have to be put off until 2011 as the uncertainty caused by the legal challenge was making it hard for teams to secure corporate sponsorship.

Holding the event in 2010 would be difficult as it would compete for television air time with the football World Cup in South Africa, he told a radio station in New Zealand.

AC Management accepted two more challengers -- Italy's Mascalzone Latino and Spain's Ayre Challenge -- on Tuesday and said two more syndicates were set to join.

Until then only five challengers had signed up for the 33rd America's Cup: Team New Zealand, United Internet Team Germany, Spain's Desafio Espanol, South Africa's Team Shosholoza and Britain's Team Origin.

``This is a really sad day for the America's Cup and a bad day for sport. Disputes like these should not be settled in court,'' said British businessman Sir Keith Mills who launched Team Origin in January with his own money.

Mills, who helped London win the 2012 Olympics, blamed Oracle's ``greed'' and Alinghi's ``belligerent spirit'' for the failure of both sides to settle their dispute.

``We are of course very disappointed because we were ready for 2009. That was going to be one of our strengths because we started our preparations very early,'' Team Germany skipper Karol Jablonski told reporters in Berlin.

The last America's Cup in Valencia featured 11 challengers. It was the first time that the event was held at a European port in its 150-year history.

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It was the first time that the event was held at a European port in its 150-year history.

Well, actually that isn't quite right. From Wikepdia:

"The Cup itself is an ornate silver-plated Britannia metal bottomless ewer, designed and crafted in 1848 by Garrard & Co.[1] The trophy is inscribed with names of the yachts that competed in the regatta’s matches. Bases matching the silver cup were added in 1958 and 2003 to accommodate more names. The cup is one of three or six that were made as off-the-shelf trophies. Sir Henry Paget, the Marquess of Anglesey bought one and donated it for the Royal Yacht Squadron’s 1851 Annual Regatta around the Isle of Wight. It was originally known by the Squadron as the “Royal Yacht Squadron Cup” or the “RYS Cup for One Hundred Sovereigns”. The Cup subsequently became known as the “One Hundred Guinea(s) Cup”, by the American syndicate that won it. As time went by, the Cup was also referred to as the “Queen’s Cup”, the “America Cup”, and the “America’s Cup”. Today, the trophy is officially known as the America’s Cup and affectionately called the “Auld Mug” by the sailing community."

So the Cup was FIRST contested off the waters of the Magic Kingdom. But then, the UK never considers itself part of Europe, so maybe the initial claim is right after all???

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:mellow: Well i suppose we're right and wrong...Great Britain certainly didn't think it was part of Europe in 1851!!! It's empire was on the rise and America was the colony that was considered the one that got away. Great Britain ruled the waves and was the 'Superpower" of the times.

So I suppose MAINLAND Europe hosted the America's Cup for the first time this year. :huh:

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2011... Team New Zealand will have to renegotiate their sponsorship with the sponsors! Hopefully it will be fine for team new zealand to remain in the competition!

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2011... Team New Zealand will have to renegotiate their sponsorship with the sponsors! Hopefully it will be fine for team new zealand to remain in the competition!

;) Perfectly Fine!!!...In fact just what TNZ needed, a breather for the designing of the new 90ft ACC yacht. These new monsters are going to be somthing else!

The crew will easily be put on simmer contracts and sponsors will find it MUCH easier to fund a 2011 event - Hoping that Oracle don't win in court and create an '88 regatta this time with catamarans. If Alinghi fails in it's appeal of course.

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NY judge sides with Oracle in that Alinghi (or its synidicate) must work w/ Oracle and other challengers to rewrite the rules (or something like that).

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