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This will be true of India,(we have all seen Slum dog millionaire)

But the politics of the entire country are not a specific reason for thinking the games will be a disaster.

And staying away from the games wont help anyone in India ether,

So I hope they will be a success and believe they still can be.

No we haven't all seen Slumdog Millionaire and we don't all take our cues for looking at third world poverty via popular cinema :blink:

And no, the internal politics of India are not the specific reason to think Delhi is a disaster, but it is the root cause for the scandals involving corruption, delayed delivery of venues, exploitation of the poor, deaths and dislocation of Delhi's most vulnerable citizens, sullying of the Commonwealth Games' brand and the failure of the OC to obtain and retain the support of Indians and those interested in the CGs. The likes of Dikshit and Kalmadi are creatures of the Indian political and bureaucratic system that is skewed to enrich those who are partisans of the ruling elites.

Instead of spouting Pollyana-esque niceness do a little digging and take into consideration what informed commentators who are there on the ground and who have lived with the inchoate mess that has been Delhi in the lead up to these redundant and unfortunate games say.

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A lot of the most serious tensions and worries seem to have been somewhat alleviated in the past 24 hours or so, or at least on the road to some sort of salvation. It looks like athletes are arriving and the Games will go on, and that is a good thing. They are not out of it yet, but looks promising from what is coming out of Delhi at this hour. It is just too bad that much of the public relations damage has been done.

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A lot of the most serious tensions and worries seem to have been somewhat alleviated in the past 24 hours or so, or at least on the road to some sort of salvation. It looks like athletes are arriving and the Games will go on, and that is a good thing. They are not out of it yet, but looks promising from what is coming out of Delhi at this hour. It is just too bad that much of the public relations damage has been done.

The sad thing about all the bumbling and the corruption and the delays etc etc is not that there has been PR damage done, it's that the people who should have been the recipients of some if not all of the benefits from these games will not be the ones to win. For example, the urban and rural poor who have slaved under third world conditions to put together the Delhi 2010 venues and facilities have been maltreated, subject to draconian labour discipline whilst seeing dozens of there number die in work related accidents. Then as soon as the construction work is done they will be quickly shifted on (if they haven't been already), forgotten by the upper and middle classes in India.

The tourists who would have wanted to perhaps tie in a visit to the games with an Indian experience will have been deterred if not totally turned off thanks to the threat of terrorism, the unhygienic conditions which have allowed dengue fever to spread rapidly and considerably and the gradual decline in the appeal of these games as a sporting event because of the drop out of the best athletes. No doubt this will further impoverish or decrease the income stream for those locals who may have had significant expectations built up by the OC and the local government re tourist dollars will no be hard pressed to get this.

The athletes have been fecked around right royally thanks to the incompetency of the Indian organisers who have done everything but made the athletes feel like they are the focus of the games. From badly timed or built venues which have not been available for text events through to an athlete's village that would have been unfit for dogs (well they could at least find the time to take a canine crap in them), to forcing the individual athletes to make a decision about their own health and safety, the Indian authorities have either neglected or even mocked the athletes who form the heart of these Commonwealth games.

Then there are the broadcast rights holders and sponsors. Whilst I have no sympathy for the likes of Channel 10 etc losing money on this farce they and so many other commercial backers of these games have been duped and taken for a ride by the Indian organisers. They will be associated not with something as efficient as a Beijing or as friendly as a Melbourne; instead the taint of Delhi 2010 will make their association cheap and tawdry.

Finally the Commonwealth Games have been mugged by the Delhi 2010 organisers and associated government authorities. The likes of Kalmadi, Gill, Bhanot, Dikshit etc have effectively taken the rights to host one of the oldest, friendliest and most respected sports festivals and done to it what the Delhi dogs did to the bed linen in the village. From 4 years ago when Melbourne's CGs left everyone fairly happy and hoping that the CGs would continue, there is an open and arguably mortal debate going on now about the future of the CGs and the CGF. Yes, the federation was culpable in selecting Delhi in the first place (well, the voting delegates were) but they placed their faith and the future of the games as an international festival in the hands of greedy, corrupt, lazy and avaricious men and women who exploited their power and their country's emerging influence to strip away the credibility of the Commonwealth Games movement.

And the truly sad thing...unless things get worse these games will stumble to their closing and all the losers will never get another chance to revisit a better opportunity. Whereas the buffoons who have mismanaged this event will boast and gloat about how the games came off even with the problems and the doubters complaining...

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The Welsh team have posted some pictures of their facilities and they look pretty nice. It seems there are vast differences between the best apartments and the worst.

Wonder if they all knew this and the big Western "white" nations all made a fuss in order to get the best apartments!

Feeling more positive about the event now compared to a few days ago - though the fact remains the village should have been 100% ready at least a fortnight or so out from the games for athletes arriving to take part.

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Well, who knows? If that is the case it is unfortunate for the smaller nations with less power to wield. But it's hardly worth speculating; ALL the apartments should have looked like the best ones WEEKS ago.

Exactly

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Posted Yesterday, 09:22 PM

View PostRobH, on 24 September 2010 - 07:59 PM, said:

The Welsh team have posted some pictures of their facilities and they look pretty nice. It seems there are vast differences between the best apartments and the worst.

Wonder if they all knew this and the big Western "white" nations all made a fuss in order to get the best apartments!

Feeling more positive about the event now compared to a few days ago - though the fact remains the village should have been 100% ready at least a fortnight or so out from the games for athletes arriving to take part.

Well actually looks like not just the white man's burden in Delhi...

Malaysian Officials Still Unsatisfied With Games Village Conditions

By P. Vijian

NEW DELHI, Sept 25 (Bernama) -- Anxious Malaysian officials have yet to give the thumbs-up for conditions at the Games Village where the 2010 Commonwealth Games will be held.

"I am keeping my fingers crossed, lot of work has to be done (where Malaysians athletes will be staying). Plumbing, electricity supply and cleanliness need to be improved," Malaysia's Commonwealth Games general manager Jefri Ngadirin told Bernama on Saturday.

"We hope everything will be okay by Sept 28 when our athletes arrive. We are pushing them (organisers) to do it up, there is some progress," he said.

He said food and health issues did not pose a problem as the organisers duly took care of them.

A seven-member delegation, headed by Jefri, arrived in Delhi two nights ago to inspect the conditions of the venues and athletes residential zone, after Indian organisers fumbled in keeping up with their housekeeping deadline.

With only eight days to go, workers, mostly from neighbouring states, are toiling round-the-clock to fix the mess in the capital, that would be under scrutiny from global media in the coming days.

The events are slated from Oct 3 to 14 -- where nearly 7,000 athletes would arrive in Delhi to take part in the 19th edition of the games -- which India is hosting for the first time.

The 15-member lawn bowl team was the first batch of Malaysians athletes to arrive last night in Delhi, and had to stay in a hotel in the city as the rooms were not ready in the Games Village.

However, this afternoon they had moved to the athletes' village and began their first training.

Malaysia would be sending about 200 athletes to participate in 14 different sports, plus another 90 officials.

A gloomy Delhi has now changed to a more merriment host city as foreign teams started to troop in after initially refusing to participate -- forcing many to fear the games may collapse amid severe international criticism.

The monsoon, which lashed at north India for weeks, threatening to flood parts of the city and become a major cause for dengue outbreak in Delhi, has also receded. Another respite for the already under-pressure organisers.

The sporting events would be held under a canopy of tight security, with the Indian Government deploying thousands of heavily-armed paramilitary personnel and commandos to thwart any untoward incident.

-- BERNAMA

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The Canadian CG Field Hockey team posted pics on Facebook from the Village.

And the posters above me are 100% correct. There should have been no such thing as "the best apartments". And they all should have been in tip top shape weeks before the athletes arrived.

I saw athletes here in Vancouver in mid to late January...almost a month before the Games began.

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Yet more bumbling and fumbling in the village:

Collapsing bed last straw for Indian boxer

September 26, 2010 - 4:26PM

Weary after a long journey from your home country to the Commonwealth Games Village in Delhi?

Check your sleeping quarters before you slumber.

After travelling from his training base in Patiala, 56kg class boxer Akhil Kumar entered to find his room in a filthy state - as so many have.

Exasperated at a four hour wait to get to a room in such disrepair, Akhil sought solace in sleep, but was in for the rudest of shocks.

"We reached (the Village) late in the afternoon to collect our accreditation cards. But when I sat down on my bed to take rest, it collapsed," Akhil told the Times of India newspaper.

"I checked the bed and part of it had no plywood on it. It was disappointing after enduring a long journey.

"The athletes are at least entitled to a decent place to rest. Even the toilets are not very clean. I have told our coach about this."

Kumar's complaint was far from isolated.

His teammate, the 81kg class boxer Dinesh Kumar, reported on the state of his room in detail, confirming the unsightly state many rooms were in even as Games president Mike Fennell made an inspection of the precinct.

"There were stains in some corners of the room. The bathroom was filthy. Some of the fittings weren't working. The bed was dirty," said Dinesh.

"After looking at the condition of the room, we went down to the auditorium to complain to officials.

"They then sent workers up with buckets and broomsticks to clean the rooms.

"This is so annoying I can't describe it.

"We were dying to stretch our backs and hit the bed but it was too dirty. So we were made to stand again for a few more hours before the clean-up."

Farce!

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Snake in athlete's room at Games Village Quote: NEW DELHI: There seems to be no end to the problems confronting the organisers of the Commonwealth Games with the South African envoy here claiming that a snake was found in an athlete's room in the Village.

A snake was found in a room in the residential tower, earmarked for the South African athletes, who have not arrived yet, High Commissioner Harris Mbulelo Mejeke told reporters.

"We can't go and stay till things are fixed up. We have very grave concerns. If snakes are found we can't ask our teams to stay there. Yesterday we found a snake but I don't know whether it was an Indian snake. But it was there in one of our rooms," Mejeke said before entering the Village.

"That was a threat to the lives of our athletes. Very disappointing. Basically, the basement was full of water and the staircase was also damp," he said.

On being asked if he brought the matter to the notice of the organisers, he said, "We had someone with us. They have promised us, everything will be all right. I will go and check whether the promise has been kept," he said.

However, the South African envoy said there team will not withdraw from the controversy-marred event.

"The teams are coming and we are still part of the Commonwealth Games. When everything will be done we will call our teams," Mjeke said.

The Village has already been sharply criticised for the unhygienic conditions and now the sensational claim would bring more bad publicity to the event. Source

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Snake in athlete's room at Games Village Quote: NEW DELHI: There seems to be no end to the problems confronting the organisers of the Commonwealth Games with the South African envoy here claiming that a snake was found in an athlete's room in the Village.

A snake was found in a room in the residential tower, earmarked for the South African athletes, who have not arrived yet, High Commissioner Harris Mbulelo Mejeke told reporters.

"We can't go and stay till things are fixed up. We have very grave concerns. If snakes are found we can't ask our teams to stay there. Yesterday we found a snake but I don't know whether it was an Indian snake. But it was there in one of our rooms," Mejeke said before entering the Village.

"That was a threat to the lives of our athletes. Very disappointing. Basically, the basement was full of water and the staircase was also damp," he said.

On being asked if he brought the matter to the notice of the organisers, he said, "We had someone with us. They have promised us, everything will be all right. I will go and check whether the promise has been kept," he said.

However, the South African envoy said there team will not withdraw from the controversy-marred event.

"The teams are coming and we are still part of the Commonwealth Games. When everything will be done we will call our teams," Mjeke said.

The Village has already been sharply criticised for the unhygienic conditions and now the sensational claim would bring more bad publicity to the event. Source

Ohhhh it's a snake!

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The Chief Minister of Delhi, Sheila Dixit, says the athletes' village for the Commonwealth Games won't be finished until Wednesday.

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SAfrica Olympic boss: 'I'll clean toilets myself'

Associated Press

Posted on September 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM

JOHANNESBURG (AP) — The president of South Africa's Olympic committee says he will clean toilets himself to help India's crisis-hit Commonwealth Games.

Gideon Sam said Sunday that the South African team would not complain at the Oct. 3-14 Games in a show of unity with a fellow developing nation.

Sam was quoted by the South African Press Agency as saying: "if they are unhappy with their rooms because they have not been swept, they must take off their jackets and sweep them themselves."

Sam added that "if a toilet is not clean, I will clean it myself."

South Africa's team departed for New Delhi later Sunday.

Games organizers have been severely criticized for a lack of cleanliness in the athletes' village, construction issues and security problems.

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A show of unity.....pffffft.....sorry, but this isn't a debate between developing and developed nations.

Our tabloids were really laying into South Africa because they had sources which stated England's training camp wouldn't be ready for the world cup. The tabloids were very, very wrong and it turned out to be a magnificent facility. So Gideon Sam knows very well a developing nation can surpass expectations and prove the world wrong.

Why then, is he letting India off the hook like this and making the complainers out to be the bad guys?

EDIT: Having read the full article I've decided this guy is a complete jerk:

SAfrica's Olympic boss says his Commonwealth Games athletes won't complain about conditions

Gerald Imray, The Associated Press

JOHANNESBURG - The president of South Africa's Olympic committee defended New Delhi's right to host the crisis-hit Commonwealth Games, saying on Sunday he is willing to clean any toilets himself to help ensure it goes ahead.

With organizers the target of widespread criticism for a lack of cleanliness in the athletes' villages, construction issues and security problems, SASCOC president Gideon Sam said there would be no complaints from the South Africans.

"As developing nations we must stand together," Sam said, according to the South African Press Agency. "We cannot allow developed countries to go out there and take the last seat in the hall."

Sam's comments came ahead of the South African team's departure for the Oct. 3-14 games. He said his athletes would not use the much-publicized conditions in the Indian capital as an excuse.

"If they (the athletes) are unhappy with their rooms because they have not been swept, they must take off their jackets and sweep them themselves. We will not complain. South Africans do not do that," Sam said. "And when I get there on Friday, if a toilet is not clean, I will clean it myself.

Canadian athletes are expected to begin arriving Monday.

Along with dirty accommodation facilities, a bridge collapsed near the main venue and there was an attack on tourists in New Delhi.

On Sunday, Indian boxer Akhil Kumar, who weighs little more than 50kg, told local media that his bed collapsed under his weight in an athletes' village.

But Sam compared criticism of India to that received by South Africa ahead of its ultimately successful hosting of the football World Cup.

"We had the same problems with these countries who complained before the FIFA World Cup, and I won't even mention them because we know who they are," he said. "As South Africans, we have always supported our friends ... and India and Brazil are our best friends. We also want to host events like this, and it is unfair if they are hosted only by countries like England, Canada and Australia.

"We will be prepared when we get there, we will work side by side with our friends, and we will come back with medals."

South Africa's Olympic committee boss did concede, however, that his team would be closely guarded at the event.

"Unfortunately for the athletes, we will be keeping a very tight rein on all of them. They will have to inform us of their every move so we can ensure their safety and get them back home to their loved ones in one piece," he said.

South Africa has sent a 147-member team to the games. The nation finished fifth in the medal standings at the last games, in 2006.

Dear India,

We've read Gideon Sam's comments and realise we have been out of line.

Sorry for being one of "these countries" causing you "problems" by "complaining" about dog-crap on the beds, poor plumbing, unclean showers, building dust etc etc. We'll stop being so imperialistic and do without real plumbing for the next month instead. Humble apologies....

signed

England, Scotland, Wales, Australia, Canada, New Zealand.

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For those who don’t thrive on bad news, its a relief that the worst is now over and all teams can move in . A week being a long time news wise, by the time the games start all this hill be history.

Worst is over :lol::lol:

This reported less than 4 hours ago:

NEW DELHI (AP) — Two more Australian athletes withdrew Sunday and a South African competitor reportedly found a snake in his room as complaints over cleanliness, security and construction continued to dog the troubled Commonwealth Games a week before the sporting event opens in New Delhi.

While international sports officials have said the situation had improved dramatically in the athletes' village over the past couple days — after inspections last week turned up rooms spattered with chewing tobacco and human excrement — some teams said the situation remained grim.

Tuelo Serufho, head of the Botswana contingent, told Press Trust of India that his team's rooms in the village were "unlivable for our athletes," with filthy bedsheets, bathroom fixtures that did not work and construction debris yet to be cleared away.

"Our athletes will be here by Tuesday," he said, warning they would have to check into hotels if the rooms were not ready by then.

The multi-sport games, held every four years, bring together nearly 7,000 athletes and officials from 71 countries and territories from across the former British empire. The games were meant to be a coming-out party for India to cement its reputation as a growing regional power. Instead, its image has been battered by negative publicity about its frantic last-minute efforts to get ready for an event it knew it was hosting seven years ago. The games open Oct. 3.

Last week, a pedestrian bridge leading to the main stadium collapsed, and adding to the organizers' woes earlier, two tourists were shot and wounded outside one of New Delhi's top attractions.

That led to talk of postponing or canceling the games. But those discussions dissipated after the government poured enormous resources into addressing the problems, particularly with the long-overdue athletes' village. The village opened as scheduled on Thursday although some teams delayed their arrival because of concerns that the accommodation was not yet ready.

Among the problems to surface this weekend: a snake found in the room of a South African athlete in the village.

"We have very grave concerns," South African High Commissioner Harris Mbulelo told the Press Trust of India news agency. "If snakes are found we can't ask our teams to stay there."

It was not immediately clear if the snake was poisonous. The athletes' village is built on the banks of the Yamuna River, which is swollen from monsoon rains. Heavy rains often force snakes into residential areas.

Complaints also came from Indian competitors.

(snip...see full article here)

So much for the Indian organisers being mindful of the safety and comfort of athletes from African members of the Commonwealth.

And until the last athlete and official arrives home safe from these shames the worst is not over.

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Does Tower Bridge have a stand-up gig at the CWG Village lined up? :blink:

He's a barrel of laffs. :lol:

Don't think so but he could be certainly slotted into the program for 'Kalmadi's Kaotic Komedic Kommonwealth Kapers' :)

Already got performing dogs ("Thrill to the excitement as Delhi Dogs Deliver Kalmadi's Kanine Krap on an athlete's bed") and Tightrope Walkers ("Be amazed as high wire acts try and get into the stadium, defying death as bridges collapse underneath their very feet").

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"Survivor: New Delhi" indeed. These Games are a calamity, from the corruption to the incompetence. The Indian government and the organizing committee wanted to pull off another Beijing, but how about trying to get the walls painted first?

They have truly embarrassed the entire country.

I'm so glad that a conference I'm attending next year is going to Singapore instead of New Delhi (Singapore won the bid).

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