micheal_warren Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 Well as Expected Fiji today were kicked out of the Commonwealth Games for Delhi 2010 as a result of being suspended from the Commonwealth70 Nations to compete in Delhi now I read that as well. Not a surprise! Are these athletes able to compete as individuals?
jim jones Posted October 12, 2009 Report Posted October 12, 2009 I read that as well. Not a surprise! Are these athletes able to compete as individuals? Fijians would be saddened not to have a Rugby Sevens Team in the Commonwealth Games I am sure. They won the Bronze in Melbourne 2006 beating Canada , Scotland and Nuie for their group and going on to beat Wales for the Bronze. Fiji was third to New Zealand and England. Very Impressive to get past many of their Oceania Counterparts like Samoa and Australia. Jim Jones
NOC Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) There is a certainly big issues in India. The venues are the least problem - the issue is logistics, and an understanding of what to do. With the Opening Ceremony issue, we were told marshalling would be in the Weightlifting Stadium as it is undercover. At the stadium brief, they were all very confused in the presentation and showed athletes marshalling in the warm up track which would be without a roof and the performers in the weghtlifting stadium. No one knew what was going on and they kept correcting themselves and changing their mind. I have to say this week has been very good vis-a-vis information and changes to policies after feedback. In Beijing 2008 the biggest frustration was a lack of information, and the inabliity for someone to make a decision. In Delhi you ask for something and 24 hours later you get what you asked for all completed and finalised - Decision Made! So Yes, India will get there, the journey will be rocky and a massive amount of pressure applied to get it over the line Edited October 13, 2009 by NOC
Faster Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 About Fiji, according to reports the CGF is seeking to have bans from sporting events to not be part of suspensions so Fiji could still compete.
micheal_warren Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 There is a certainly big issues in India.The venues are the least problem - the issue is logistics, and an understanding of what to do. With the Opening Ceremony issue, we were told marshalling would be in the Weightlifting Stadium as it is undercover. At the stadium brief, they were all very confused in the presentation and showed athletes marshalling in the warm up track which would be without a roof and the performers in the weghtlifting stadium. No one knew what was going on and they kept correcting themselves and changing their mind. I have to say this week has been very good vis-a-vis information and changes to policies after feedback. In Beijing 2008 the biggest frustration was a lack of information, and the inabliity for someone to make a decision. In Delhi you ask for something and 24 hours later you get what you asked for all completed and finalised - Decision Made! So Yes, India will get there, the journey will be rocky and a massive amount of pressure applied to get it over the line Well at least they get back with their information. I hope they get there but I am not so sure.
jim jones Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 There is a certainly big issues in India.The venues are the least problem - the issue is logistics, and an understanding of what to do. With the Opening Ceremony issue, we were told marshalling would be in the Weightlifting Stadium as it is undercover. At the stadium brief, they were all very confused in the presentation and showed athletes marshalling in the warm up track which would be without a roof and the performers in the weghtlifting stadium. No one knew what was going on and they kept correcting themselves and changing their mind. I have to say this week has been very good vis-a-vis information and changes to policies after feedback. In Beijing 2008 the biggest frustration was a lack of information, and the inabliity for someone to make a decision. In Delhi you ask for something and 24 hours later you get what you asked for all completed and finalised - Decision Made! So Yes, India will get there, the journey will be rocky and a massive amount of pressure applied to get it over the line So if the New Delhi 2010 committee is so efficient with providing Information does it mean that the operations phase of the games may indeed be well organized ? I would find that an incredible Paradox considering that Nigeria's general weakness sited was the 2003 All-african games the yardstick operational phase while the capital phase was incredibly well executed. In the time the Time Span to Build the National Stadium complex in Abuja is about equal to the time span since the 2014 decision was made until now. New Delhi It seems has stood still. Staffing talent can be hired but organization of a city or nation's construction industry is a very different thing. Considering New Delhi is working with some basic Building blocks it is amazing they don't have the Stadium fully completed at this stage but hey the International Olympic Committee is saying to London 2012 get your venues finalized by November. A construction industry or organizing committee can only do what the Government allows them . The fight between Boris Johnson and London 2012 has as much to do with London 2012 problem then anything . Jim Jones
Rafa Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Fennel needed to make decisions sooner. All the warning signs were there a while back. Sending in a "review" team at this late stage will help but it was needed much sooner. I still think venue construction IS an issue. I'm not suggesting that venues will not be complete before the Games but that one should be concerned when venues like the velodrome are behind London's velodrome, and at some sites you only see ten workers.
oakydoky Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Fennel needed to make decisions sooner. All the warning signs were there a while back. Sending in a "review" team at this late stage will help but it was needed much sooner.I still think venue construction IS an issue. I'm not suggesting that venues will not be complete before the Games but that one should be concerned when venues like the velodrome are behind London's velodrome, and at some sites you only see ten workers. Very true! The Aquatics venue in particular looks waaaay behind schedule.
thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 I'm also concerned about ticketing - with less than a year that should be well underway - however they haven't really got any seats anywhere yet and I expect seating plans are robably slightly "adjustable" at the moment...
jim jones Posted October 13, 2009 Report Posted October 13, 2009 Fennel needed to make decisions sooner. All the warning signs were there a while back. Sending in a "review" team at this late stage will help but it was needed much sooner.I still think venue construction IS an issue. I'm not suggesting that venues will not be complete before the Games but that one should be concerned when venues like the velodrome are behind London's velodrome, and at some sites you only see ten workers. Fennell has been through this three times . Rio 2007 , Santo Domingo 2003 with the Pan Am Games and Manchester 2002 had it's moments the year before the games that the OC was on the verge of Bankruptcy and the Main contractor for the Athletics Stadium doubted the job would be completed on time let alone on budget. Maybe the price of Berger Paint whom he was a Board member of goes up in price with last minute orders LOL. India is probably the very worst . THE OC should have taken Austin Sealy's advise last year on the Velodrome Renting a Schuermann Portable one from the United States . I think thou even freeing up Man power in a city with few equals for man power supply would not do much . The project management seems to be the big negative here . Some people in the Commonwealth Games Federation have to start saying here are Pre Engineered options A B C D and E. Athens 2004 learned under similar circumstances of Greentech ITM Tray Turf . It was NBC Universal that told the Athens 2004 Oc and how they could put a field in place after the Opening ceremonies . This allowed work to the final hour practically without ripping up turf . The American Colleges were using it and NBC had learned of it with their boradcast of NCAA games . Greentech ITM is Standard for Olympic Main Stadiums now or at least Beijing used it as well. Surely London 2012 will be using it . Jim Jones
Rafa Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Delhi 2010 demands sacking of CGames' CEO (AFP) – 1 hour ago NEW DELHI — Indian organisers of the 2010 Commonwealth Games in New Delhi demanded Thursday that the event's New Zealand chief executive be sacked, setting up a row with the international federation. "(Mike) Hooper has not been beneficial for the organising committee, he is of no use to us," Suresh Kalmadi, head of the Delhi 2010 organising committee told reporters. "We want the Commonwealth Games Federation to replace him." Kalmadi also slammed the federation's insistence that an independent review body must oversee New Delhi's troubled preparations, which are far behind schedule with less than 12 months to go before the Games open on October 3. "I am willing to take any expert suggested by the CGF on our co-ordination committee, but we feel there is no need to impose an additional technical committee on us," Kalmadi said in his pointed attack. Hooper, the CEO of the London-based Commonwealth Games Federation, has been the senior link between the host city Delhi and the federation, and has lived in the Indian capital working on the event for the last two years. On Monday CGF president Michael Fennell warned the city that it faced "an enormous challenge" to be ready for the event, which involves 6,000 top-class international athletes.
Rob2012 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Hmmm, seems to me they're not in a good position to be making such demands.
Rob2012 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Commonwealth Games chief executive Mike Hooper has rejected suggestions from the organisers of the 2010 event in Delhi that he has hindered their work. Suresh Kalmadi, the head of Delhi 2010 committee, said Hooper had been "no use to us" and called for his replacement. "I reject entirely that I've been an impediment to any progress," Hooper told BBC Sport. Last month, Federation president Mike Fennell warned that construction delays posed a serious threat to the Games. Hooper has spent the last two years in Delhi as the main link between the host city and the Federation, but concerns have grown that facilities in Delhi will not be ready for October next year. He said: "I believe if I had not been here the last two years, pushing them and challenging them the Games would be even further behind. "It seems to be a case of shooting the messenger rather than addressing the message." Hooper described Kalmadi's comments as an "unfortunate personal attack" and continued: "What we should be focusing on is the issues, not the personalities." n a statement released on Monday, Fennell revealed the concerns of the Federation over the slow progress made constructing the various venues and said that a technical committee, which will meet every month, was being set up to meet to monitor progress and report back with their findings. "It's no secret the Games preparations are not as they should be," said Hooper. "My board, our president and our general assembly of members made that loud and clear on Monday. There's a lot of work to be done." Monday's statement followed a leaked letter, written by Fennell last September, in which he expressed doubts about the ability of the Indian organisers to deliver the Games on time. "Both Mr Kalmadi and Mr Singh said recently in the media that Mr Fennell's leaked letter was a wake-up call," he said. "Unfortunately they haven't woken up and responded as one would hope by addressing the issues. Instead they've launched a personal attack. "What the organising committee and its chairman doesn't seem to want is somebody here pushing them and cajoling them and making sure things get done as they should." However, despite such difficulties Hooper remains confident that the organising committee and officials will fulfil their obligation to host a successful Games as scheduled. "I'm heartened by the fact that the minister of sport MS Gill came to our general assembly and acknowledged that things are not as they should be," he said. "He gave a commitment from the Prime Minister (Manmohan Singh) and the government that they will do whatever is necessary to deliver an outstanding Games. "If they all live up to that promise and do what they say then it can be a great Games. "We've got just the right amount of time to fix it and get it right and that is what we need to focus on not attacking individuals." Link
jim jones Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Hmmm, seems to me they're not in a good position to be making such demands. Well considering this was a man on the evaluation committee that demanded that two 25000 passenger per direction per hour LRT lines be alignment closer to the stadium and City Centre Clusters in Abuja I could see where the frustration might occur. The Question I ask is WTF were Abuja 2014 competitors proposing to provide and how do you Mr Hooper know more then Albert Spear JR. Architects in regards to urban planning especially around Sports Festivals? Neither White City proposed a running metre of new Rail Track and neither have Rail lines on both sides of their Stadiums ? Hampden Parks rail capacity 450 passengers an hour and that was shown with the U2 concert recently. I have checked on other stadia for nearness and capacity of Rail for Stadium . Abuja's Under Construction LRT system is in line with the New Wembley Stadium for D and the Berlin Olympic Stadium for distances to the nearest Rail Station. Abuja's proposal had more capacity per possible patron then the New Wembley in Regards to Urban Rail. Does the man just take up space , contribute or is counter productive ? I have met the man personally . I don't think he is a nasty person . I think he misses full time life in London and should perhaps apply for a job with London 2012 if he wants to reside in that city all year long. Hooper has been in New Delhi about 50 percent of his time from 2007 on. Maybe the Indians would like to toss the entire games ? Jim Jones
oakydoky Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Well considering this was a man on the evaluation committee that demanded that two 25000 passenger per direction per hour LRT lines be alignment closer to the stadium and City Centre Clusters in Abuja I could see where the frustration might occur. The Question I ask is WTF were Abuja 2014 competitors proposing to provide and how do you Mr Hooper know more then Albert Spear JR. Architects in regards to urban planning especially around Sports Festivals? Neither White City proposed a running metre of new Rail Track and neither have Rail lines on both sides of their Stadiums ? Hampden Parks rail capacity 450 passengers an hour and that was shown with the U2 concert recently. I have checked on other stadia for nearness and capacity of Rail for Stadium . Abuja's Under Construction LRT system is in line with the New Wembley Stadium for D and the Berlin Olympic Stadium for distances to the nearest Rail Station. Abuja's proposal had more capacity per possible patron then the New Wembley in Regards to Urban Rail. Does the man just take up space , contribute or is counter productive ? I have met the man personally . I don't think he is a nasty person . I think he misses full time life in London and should perhaps apply for a job with London 2012 if he wants to reside in that city all year long. Hooper has been in New Delhi about 50 percent of his time from 2007 on. Maybe the Indians would like to toss the entire games ? Jim Jones ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Any excuse to talk about the Abuja when it has no relevance to the discussion since it is just one of many failed bids not actually hosting the games. Can we give the constant Abuja promotion a rest until they actually win something? Anyway, I do get the impression that the Indian organisers are getting slightly annoyed at the negative publicity surrounding their preparations and are 'lashing out'. The Indian organisers have to accept full responsibility for their poor preparations and actually see that Mike Hooper's involvement is essential considering how far behind they are.
Rafa Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 They need somebody to blame so Mike Hoop Hoop it is
jim jones Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 They need somebody to blame so Mike Hoop Hoop it is Well Frankly from what you can see from the inconsistent nature of the Man's report for 2014 it is no wonder. I spoke with a very knowing former Athlete to Olympics , Commonwealth Games and Pan Am Games and his option is the man probably does not know what he is talking about .at the best or worst has an Agenda . Too small an area for the Start of a Commonwealth Road Cycling Race Abuja had ? Yeah 6 full pavement lanes was 3 times the amount Beijing 2008 Had for a worldwide field compared with about 40 percent of the World. And as to the KKK member from up North again Hooper is the guy who approves an experiment with Scaffolding for Athletics while it was firmly rejected in both London, Manchester, and the UK athletics people for the 2005 Worlds . Louise Martin got her games and now she and Hooper will wear the aftermath. I don't think Glasgow 2014 got a pass on anything either but hey the dispensations were a mile wide for Louise. Louise Martin the member on the Federation board . I do have great sympathy for Hooper because working with New Delhi has been no picnic but working with a country for 2014 that cannot even keep their transportation commitments well the Challenges are going to be greater when the Tories drop the Axe on Sports Festivals in the UK next year. The construction history with Asian Games in New Delhi was the very same in the past. in 2007 it should have been here is the plan or the games are pulled. The tarty nature of falling of schedules started in 2005. The Federation has no one to blame but themselves as they push the games to go places Thinking they are self important and cannot compete for sponsorship dollars with the Winter Olympics . On the last point they are very very right and that is why the games are dying over time . Australia will probably host the World Cup . South Africa is . Singapore is staging the youth olympics and formula one racing and Canada could care less now going for the Pan Am Games or in the case of a former host Edmonton the Universiade. No one hosts the commonwealth games and then wants it back unless your country does not have the Urban Centres to host UEFA Cups , Fifa world Cups or the summer olympics. South Africa , Nigeria, Kenya , India , Malaysia and all the other emerging nations will use the games for a We have arrived party while Urban Generation of long Abandoend industrial lands typically in some cities east end will be the only places hosting after a while. jim jones
jim jones Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Fennel needed to make decisions sooner. All the warning signs were there a while back. Sending in a "review" team at this late stage will help but it was needed much sooner.I still think venue construction IS an issue. I'm not suggesting that venues will not be complete before the Games but that one should be concerned when venues like the velodrome are behind London's velodrome, and at some sites you only see ten workers. I think at some point you have to say . Look this aquatics centre will not be done if you put a roof on it . Athens, Barcelona, Los Angeles and others held Aquatics without roofs . New Delhi is not northern Europe or Canada it should perhaps Scrub having a roof and get on with it . The same can be said with the velodrome . If a country does not have a history in the sport then why try to complete a legacy facility when yuo don't have the time to complete it for the games. The number of venues to complete is why I say that the city with the most intact venues on the ground while bidding for any sports festival should get the highest marks. New Delhi I think can forget about Asian Games and Olympics for a while. The Task at hand is what is needing the attention . somehow we get these mixed messages from NEw Delhi and the people attending the general Assembly . Whether it is cherry picked from the local press I don't know . I would not doubt that was the case. Jim jones
oakydoky Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Well Frankly from what you can see from the inconsistent nature of the Man's report for 2014 it is no wonder. I spoke with a very knowing former Athlete to Olympics , Commonwealth Games and Pan Am Games and his option is the man probably does not know what he is talking about .at the best or worst has an Agenda . Too small an area for the Start of a Commonwealth Road Cycling Race Abuja had ? Yeah 6 full pavement lanes was 3 times the amount Beijing 2008 Had for a worldwide field compared with about 40 percent of the World. And as to the KKK member from up North again Hooper is the guy who approves an experiment with Scaffolding for Athletics while it was firmly rejected in both London, Manchester, and the UK athletics people for the 2005 Worlds . Louise Martin got her games and now she and Hooper will wear the aftermath. I don't think Glasgow 2014 got a pass on anything either but hey the dispensations were a mile wide for Louise. Louise Martin the member on the Federation board . I do have great sympathy for Hooper because working with New Delhi has been no picnic but working with a country for 2014 that cannot even keep their transportation commitments well the Challenges are going to be greater when the Tories drop the Axe on Sports Festivals in the UK next year. The construction history with Asian Games in New Delhi was the very same in the past. jim jones What has this got to do with Delhi 2010? You use any excuse to make constant jibes at Britain and in particular Scotland. Your prejudice is well documented on these boards. For the record, there was never any plans to use a temporary, scaffolding track at the Pickett's lock stadium designed for the 2005 world athletics championships. So you are WRONG!!!!!! Further, trying to insinuate that Louise Martin cheated victory for Glasgow in 2014 is nothing short of disgusting. Glasgow won (in a landslide victory) as it had a better bid than Abuja ( which wouldn't be hard since it is hard).Glasgow won, Abuja lost and yet several years down the line you are still moaning to people on these forums who don't care about a single thing you say. Stop hijacking the Delhi thread to make jibes at Glasgow and Britain - it is beyond sad!!!! Anyway, back to the topic- I think most people seem to agree that Delhi is looking to place so of the blame for their preparations on Mike Hooper as it deflects some of the blame from them.
jim jones Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 What has this got to do with Delhi 2010?You use any excuse to make constant jibes at Britain and in particular Scotland. Your prejudice is well documented on these boards. For the record, there was never any plans to use a temporary, scaffolding track at the Pickett's lock stadium designed for the 2005 world athletics championships. So you are WRONG!!!!!! Further, trying to insinuate that Louise Martin cheated victory for Glasgow in 2014 is nothing short of disgusting. Glasgow won (in a landslide victory) as it had a better bid than Abuja ( which wouldn't be hard since it is hard).Glasgow won, Abuja lost and yet several years down the line you are still moaning to people on these forums who don't care about a single thing you say. Stop hijacking the Delhi thread to make jibes at Glasgow and Britain - it is beyond sad!!!! Anyway, back to the topic- I think most people seem to agree that Delhi is looking to place so of the blame for their preparations on Mike Hooper as it deflects some of the blame from them. Yeah right . Yeah by the time Two Stadiums were rejected for Athletics Competition surface for the New Wembley and Manchester 2002 the Pickets Locke Option was not going to put up the Temp Scaffolding thing . It is only glasgow 2014 that continues to be deluded enough to believe in that engineering Fairy Tale authored by the IAAf in a white paper. Auckland's 2018 invention for a 2018 bid does not talk of Temp Scaffolding but does talk of how they will have to remove seating in Mount Smart. does that Give you a clue ? Cases of Scotch whiskey and scholarships to Glasgow university for graduate degrees reported in the Glasgow News Papers in the Weeks After the bid . The relevance to this forum thread is that the commonwealth games federation is the author of their own misfortunes driven by leadership that has no clue it seems . The Indians lodged their complaint not just now on Mike Hooper the letter went out in July of this year . From what I am reading in New Delhi Mike Hoopers stay has cost them about 1 million dollars for 2 years and yet what is the end result ? Jim Jones
oakydoky Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Mate, just stick to the topic of Delhi without your convulated, prejudicial attacks on Glasgow.
jim jones Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 Mate, just stick to the topic of Delhi without your convulated, prejudicial attacks on Glasgow. Look go work for Glasgow the guys who choke on their commitments site . I am sure they have plenty of people that make incredible statements about Barrack Obama that I can't figure out what you were talking about . something about Barrack Obama and a Retard you said on another Trend ? How Off Topic was that ? Have you been into the suace and the Neo Nazi blogs again . If you wish to hurl some insults open up your mail box so I can respond to your stuff. Of course hey Cowards usually hide behind closed doors. I hope you have noticed there are now Brazilians and Others who know exactly what you are about . Jim jones
oakydoky Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 This topic = Delhi 2010! Your comments are clearly indicative of your inability to stick to a topic!
jim jones Posted October 16, 2009 Report Posted October 16, 2009 This topic = Delhi 2010!Your comments are clearly indicative of your inability to stick to a topic! STFU Jim jones
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