Rafa Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Anyway, all this Delhi chaos makes Abuja 2018 even more unlikely. I think the CWG Federation will go for safety. Probably back to OZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micheal_warren Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Agreed Abuja is unlikey to host the 2018 games. Im hoping on Auckland!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Anyway, all this Delhi chaos makes Abuja 2018 even more unlikely.I think the CWG Federation will go for safety. Probably back to OZ Have you actually seen the footprint for the Gold Coast Bid ? Did you actually read the words of Mike Fennell When Scotland tried to have a co Hosting between Edinburgh and Glasgow for the 2014 games before Fennell laid down the Law that there would be no co hosting? A single diving Venue for Edinburgh in the Glasgow 2014 bid is one thing . Gold Coast has 4 events in Brisbane which is a further distance from Glasgow to Edinburgh then Brisbane is from Gold Coast. Gymnastics, Netballs Shooting and Squash will all be in Brisbane a former host city. Then you have Basketball prelim rounds played in Cairns and Townsville . In the Case of Cairns it is 903 miles away from gold coast. The talk at the General Assembly last year in Banjul was "Australia Again? " STop trying to pin Developing Nation with Developing Nation because in the case of New Delhi compared to Abuja there is no comparing. Look at the Asian Games New Delhi staged in 1982 and the All-african games Abuja staged in 2003 Only looking at the run up phase of construction works . New Delhi is performing in the same way for these commonwealth games in regards to Construction as they did for the 1982 Asian Games Very poorly. Abuja in their capital phase was a dream compared with that . The Differences are that India is generally chaos with things in regards to long term projects and they have a centuries old city with all the problems of deferred maintenance and plan Urban planning . Abuja has some of the most vertically integrated construction companies in the World. These companies are Organized for Finances, Materials and Manpower . While in India they hardly train people for the construction trades . Then you have all Highway expansion for the 2014 bid to be completed by the time inspections for 2018 would occur, Then there is the LRt which will be 40 percent complete by 2011. This is all in a Highly planned city not having to correct urban transportation planning that was done for the horse and carriage era . Any city founded in the pre automobile age usually has those problems . Comparing a Nigeria to India would be like Comparing Australia to the UK in very recent times. Australia has shown great expertise. Uk well it speaks for itself. Cancellation of the World Athletics Championships of 2005. jim Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Boy, the BBC plastered the Delhi preparation for next year's Commonwealth Games with concerns. It is going to get interesting, if the venues will be done on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 2010 Games: Split wide open with ugly, ugly words Its a Video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Hooper misbehaved with staff: OC NEW DELHI: Determined to get rid of Commonwealth Games Federation CEO Mike Hooper, the 2010 Games Organising Committee on Thursday alleged that the CGF official had misbehaved with an OC staff in July. More that two months after the incident, the OC distributed copies of its chairman Suresh Kalmadi's letter to CGF President Michael Fennell in which Kalmadi had alleged that Hooper had misbehaved with a director of the secretary general's office, throwing keys at the official's face. "In this regard I would like to convey my advice that Mr. Hooper may operate from his office-cum-residence, which has been allotted by the OC," Kalmadi wrote in the July 31 letter, making it clear that Hooper was not welcome in the OC headquarters. According to OC, Hooper tried to use the office space meant for OC vice chairman Randhir Singh and when he failed to open the door, he allegedly shouted at the director and threw the keys at his face. The Organising Committee on Thursday called for Hooper's immediate withdrawal, saying the official was of "no use" despite staying in the capital for two years. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Dehli 2010 board meeting: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micheal_warren Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 They need somebody to blame so Mike Hoop Hoop it is I am inclined to agree with this. Delhi just need to get on with the bloody job and get it sorted. The games will come around soon enough and at this rate I have grave fears that preparations wont be completed on time. Instead of blaming people for issues they just need to get on with it. Time is ticking!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Dehli 2010 board meeting: no Rob that would actually be a Abuja Meeting as that is an African Elephant LOL. Jim jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 International Shooting Federation Expert Graeme Hudson has Resigned the Committee. I suppose with a a fellow Kiwi under attack he would want to leave. An article has surfaced in the last few hours in India that the MP making the Noise about Sending Hooper back is being blamed for the problems with the games prep so hey even the Indians perhaps understand the place to lay the blame at is not Hoopers Feet. Jim Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim jones Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 2010 Games: Split wide open with ugly, ugly wordsIts a Video. boy what a confrontation between The New Delhi official and Hooper. Jim Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOC Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The writing was on the wall in Delhi With Media only allowed certain access, and anyone talking to Media was shadowed Hooper is very VERY good at his job and will not be going anywhere. Most CGA's respect him greatly. India on the other hand are using Hooper as the punching bag for their own failures. Politics might work this way in India, but guess what OC Delhi 2010..... You have real work to do and everyone just kicked your ass to tell you this - Dont like the heat? Then GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN! And to then blame the expert that was forced in due to inaction...That just shows how arrogant and disrespectful this Organising Committee is. These Games are now the closets ever to being cancelled and the next 6 weeks are crutial, The OC knows this and is trying to pass the blame to Hopper. Unaccetable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micheal_warren Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The writing was on the wall in DelhiWith Media only allowed certain access, and anyone talking to Media was shadowed Hooper is very VERY good at his job and will not be going anywhere. Most CGA's respect him greatly. India on the other hand are using Hooper as the punching bag for their own failures. Politics might work this way in India, but guess what OC Delhi 2010..... You have real work to do and everyone just kicked your ass to tell you this - Dont like the heat? Then GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN! And to then blame the expert that was forced in due to inaction...That just shows how arrogant and disrespectful this Organising Committee is. These Games are now the closets ever to being cancelled and the next 6 weeks are crutial, The OC knows this and is trying to pass the blame to Hopper. Unaccetable! I completely agree with you. Hooper is being used as a scape goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Matt Hooper is a lovely guy and I really feel he is getting shafted at the moment. I hate to say this - and as much as it will damage the CGF - they need to get these Games out of India. If that means no 2010 - so be it. The pending disaster will do more damage in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 just a question - who is Matt Hooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 These Games are now the closets ever to being cancelled and the next 6 weeks are crutial What is your feeling on what will happen in the next few weeks/months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Is it anyway possible to give the Commonwealth Games into another city or to cancel them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOC Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 My opinon is that IF the organsing committee decide to dig their heels in and not allow the technical review committee full access, and do not back down on their Hopper Resign stupidity, then these Games are at a crisis. They were clearly told in Delhi of the lack of confidence and faith in their ability to hold the Games. It all went downhill when Kalamadi kept trumpeting to the media that The Delhi 2010 Commonwealth Games will be the BEST EVER, only to have Mike Fennell say that the Games in India will not be as good as Melbourne or Manchester. The everyone in Delhi got a bound book of all of the WONDERFUL media coverage of the games for the last 12 months. Not ONE Negative article was in this book - propaganda at its best and making the OC look totally stupid - as if ANYONE in the Commonwealth Games would believe this tripe when it was clearly evident that Delhi is a shambles. All the persons of high level in the OC are their for their own political purpose and power reigns, look at all the Indian Olympic Officials wearing two hats instead of appointing true professional expereinced managment. If someone of higher statue would take the job, their position on the IOA is at risk. Then you have to look at some of the companies appointed to assist with the Games. I can not go into detail but everyone would be astounded as to what was on offer with some of the winning tenders and the general business feeling in India. Thats why they only have ONE SPONSOR announced last week, Air India, who are also stuffing up something else (cant detail it yet), and most of the CGAs are really upset about this. When the media get hold of this one it will be a whammy! Needless to say the Delhi 2010 Commonwealth Games are at a massive and serious risk of cancellation. The next few weeks are absolutely CRITICAL to the Games going ahead. So if the OC allows Mike Hopper to stay, Egg on whos face? They wont allow this to happen So if the CGF says Mike Hopper stays to carry out the technical review committee and appropriate management, and the OC does not allow this to happen, then the writing is on the wall. There is so much more to this but for the moment this is adequate to say as it is in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I think it is frightening how the OC is handling this issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I can't help but have some schadenfreude right now. They had a choose between a safe bid that was fully supported or taking the risk and going to India. Also they problems were evident 4 years ago, the CWG federation should been applying the pressure for the word go but they didn't and know they have the elephant in the rom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsnotmypuppy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The CGF was applying pressure from the word go - there were reports back during the Melbourne Games about no venue contracts being signed, doubts over security and health issues - as well as budget concerns. The Indian organisers were saying their Games would be bigger than Melbourne - and would even rival the upcoming Beijing Olympics!! I understand why the CGF went with Delhi - the same reason why the IOC went with Rio - however Delhi was less prepared than Rio is today by a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiide margin. If they take the Games away from Delhi there is no back up. Kuala Lumpur needs a village, Melbourne needs a village and to put a track back in the MCG, Manchester needs an Athletics stadium, and London wont step in. If the CGF allows the Games to be hosted in early 2011 maybe KL or Melb could possibly step in - but I doubt that will happen. I don't think eother coty is champing at the bit for a CGs again and teh CGF is not in a position to throw huge money at a host like the IOC could in a pinch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 This is shocking. How unprofessional and childish. Not only does Delhi face organizational risks, it has operational risks, security risks, delivery risks in terms of venues, procurement risks, accommodation risks...not to mention in-fighting Usually a "new frontier" has some of these risks e.g. tender corruption, crime, slow pace of construction BUT Delhi appears to have almost all of them. This is actually more serious than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Usually a "new frontier" has some of these risks e.g. tender corruption, crime, slow pace of construction BUT Delhi appears to have almost all of them.This is actually more serious than I thought. I think the pics of the construction sites of the venues in Dehli "speak volumes" - CGF could be happy if Dehli 2010 took place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citius Altius Fortius Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I just wonder if the "situation" in Dehli has an impact on the IOC and "Rio de Janeiro 2016" or the shortlisting of future bids by new frontier cities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob2012 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 No, I'm sure it'll be taken on a case by case basis. It'll certainly have an impact on India's hopes of hosting an Olympics in the wake of Rio and possibly Africa in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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