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No UN member except Turkey recognizes the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Apart from Spain, no country seems to have any problems with Gibraltar as a crown colony of Britain.

only the UN have problems...in 1969 differents resolutions said that Gibraltar is Spain and UK must go away...

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only the UN have problems...in 1969 differents resolutions said that Gibraltar is Spain and UK must go away...

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GE...pdf?OpenElement

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GE...pdf?OpenElement

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GE...pdf?OpenElement

resolutions about Gibraltar of 1966,1967,1968...

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There IS a difference though.The people of Hong Kong WANTED to be reunited with China.The people of Gibraltar clearly DON'T!

The British Government would love to hand Gibraltar back to Spain but are prevented from doing so by the fierce and almost unanimous determination of the Gibraltarians to stay British!

Wrong my friend ! Hong Kong has always had mixed reaction with Chinese , Macau is the one which more closer to the motherland

Like the British ledgend goes ..... As long as the monkey of Gibraltar stay , the British will always be in power in Gilbraltar

Blah .. Blah .. Blah .... This topic is about 2 new UEFA members not a debate over a small rock in the sea

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Like the British ledgend goes ..... As long as the monkey of Gibraltar stay , the British will always be in power in Gilbraltar

Then, with all the rubbish the people throw to the monkeys, Gibraltar will be Spanish very soon... B)

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Which body passed these resolutions? It clearly wasn't the Security Council. The Security Council is the only UN body whose decisions must be adhered to. I have just checked the years you cited and there are no resolutions to do with Gibraltar whatsoever. So whatever these resolutions said, there was absolutely no way of enforcing them.

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Which body passed these resolutions? It clearly wasn't the Security Council. The Security Council is the only UN body whose decisions must be adhered to. I have just checked the years you cited and there are no resolutions to do with Gibraltar whatsoever. So whatever these resolutions said, there was absolutely no way of enforcing them.

are General Assembly´s resolutions:

2231 (XXI) 20 December 1966

2353 (XXII) 19 December 1967

2429 (XXIII) 18 December 1968

Wrong my friend ! Hong Kong has always had mixed reaction with Chinese , Macau is the one which more closer to the motherland

Like the British ledgend goes ..... As long as the monkey of Gibraltar stay , the British will always be in power in Gilbraltar

Blah .. Blah .. Blah .... This topic is about 2 new UEFA members not a debate over a small rock in the sea

yes,but one of the 2 new UEFA members is the "small rock in the sea"...

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General Assembly resolutions are not enforceable. Only Security Council resolutions are, and there has never been one on Gibraltar.

Yeah, like Israel... And we continues with the Palestine problem...

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How many Security Council resolutions have been passed on Palestine? Most people have lost count. How many on Gibraltar? None. And given what the residents themselves feel, perhaps Spain are wisest letting things rest.

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How many Security Council resolutions have been passed on Palestine? Most people have lost count. How many on Gibraltar? None. And given what the residents themselves feel, perhaps Spain are wisest letting things rest.

we respect the residents feels,perhaps more that the british... do you know the history of the "doves"/"palomos"??

A group of Gibraltarian lawyers and businessmen, calling themselves the "palomos" or doves, advocated a political settlement with Spain in a letter published in the Gibraltar Chronicle, and met with Spanish Foreign Office officials to try and bring this about . This provoked widespread public hostility in Gibraltar (with attacks to their homes and properties and civil unrest)and the exile to Spain. Things quickly calmed down, although today the term retains a negative meaning in Gibraltar politics..."palomo" is the worse insult in the rock...

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In other words, the vast majority of residents of Gibraltar feel British and want to remain British. I don't particularly like what is being alleged, but listen to the people. Or is that too hard for you?

I listen the people,the people who live in Gibraltar today and the people who live in the "Campo de Gibraltar" (La Linea,San Roque,Los Barrios,Algeciras),the descendants of the real gibraltarians,throwed out in 1704...

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How old are you and how long do you hope to live? Because I don't expect to see the Spanish flag over Gibraltar in my lifetime.

I´m 34 and I hope to live a lot or years more,in 2001-2002 was posible an agreement of co-sovereignty and I hope to see news dialogues and agreements beetwen London and Madrid in the nearly future...

Good night

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At that age, you should be mature enough to realise that the wishes of the people who live there are, or at least should be paramount. The last time this was mooted, the people of Gibraltar were up in arms, and quite rightly so, because nobody had consulted them. The key to any change in the sovereignty of Gibraltar is the consent of those who live there.

Resolutions that can't be enforced, raking up what happened 300 years ago, etc, etc, doesn't help you deal with what you need to deal with, which is the reality here and now. Until the Spanish authorities recognise that, there is no way there will be a change to Gibraltar's sovereignty. The people won't stand for it.

And as for the Spanish FA protesting about Gibraltar joining UEFA, can it get much more pathetic?

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Just give Gibraltar back to the original owbners _ the neanderthals:

PARIS, Sept 13, 2006 (AFP) - A century and a half after the first Neanderthal bones were coaxed from a German lime quarry, new evidence suggests that these puzzling hominids survived thousands of years longer than anyone thought.

With Europe in the grip of an Ice Age and with their smarter cousins, Homo sapiens, spreading across the continent, the last Neanderthals holed up in a refuge on the balmy southern tip of Europe until their lineage withered away, a study says.

Homo neanderthalis may have drawn his final breath as recently as 24,000 years ago, say its authors, an international team of palaeontologists.

Previous estimates have put the extinction of the Neanderthals around 30,000-33,000 years ago. But the date is fiercely debated, as is an even greater mystery: who, or what, killed them?

The new piece in the puzzle comes from artefacts found at a site on Gibraltar called Gorham's Cave, where Neanderthal stone tools were discovered more than 50 years ago.

Further excavations of the cave floor between 1999 and 2005 have exposed the remains of hearths where Neanderthals, known to be skilled with flints, would keep a fire.

The researchers used a technique called accelerator mass spectrometry to date pieces of charcoal found in the hearths, and conclude Neanderthals definitely lived there until 28,000 years years ago ``and possibly as recently as 24,000 years'' ago.

Wrongly lampooned in popular humour as moronic grunters, the Neanderthals had the smarts to choose an excellent site for their redoubt, according to the paper, published on Thursday in Nature, the British weekly science journal.

Natural light penetrated deep within the cave's walls and a high ceiling allowed smoke to ventilate. The cave was ``a favoured location that was visited repeatedly over many thousands of years,'' say the authors.

The location, too, was a winner.

While northerly latitudes of Europe remained locked in a deep and hostile chill, the warmer Mediterranean rim offered a good chance of survival for hunter-gatherers like the Neanderthals.

``The last Neanderthals that occupied Gorham's Cave had access to a diverse community of plants and vertebrates on the sandy plains, open woodland and shrubland, wetlands, cliff and coastal environments surrounding the site,'' the study says.

``Such ecological diversity might have facilitated their long survival.''

Seven other sites occupied by Neanderthals have been found in the rock of Gibraltar, which is only six kilometers (3.75 miles) long.

As to the great whodunnit of palaeontology, the paper discounts the theory that these Neanderthals were annihilated by H. sapiens in the competition for food and territory.

Evidence of stone-age technology at Malaga, about 100 kilometers (60 miles) east of Gibraltar, shows that anatomically modern man had ventured into the neighbourhood at the time when the Neanderthals lived in Gorham Cave.

This suggests that for several thousand years the region was a ``mosaic'' of remnant Neanderthals and pioneering H. sapiens living in thinly-scattered communities.

Another theory to explain the disappearance of the Neanderthals is that they did not disappear -- not genetically, at any rate.

Under this hypothesis, Neanderthals and H. sapiens co-mingled. Far from being a dead branch of the human tree, the Neanderthals may even have bequeathed some of the traits in the H. sapiens genome that we see today.

The new paper, lead-authored by Clive Finlayson of the Gibraltar Museum, does not address this controversial theory, but notes there is no evidence of ``transitional'' tools or activities at the cave.

This adds weight to the argument that the last Neanderthals had only limited contact with the future masters of the planet, so inter-breeding was unlikely.

The first evidence for the Neanderthals emerged in 1856, when workers at a lime quarry in the Neander Valley, western Germany, came across bones initially thought to be that of a bear. Since then, the remains of about 400 Neanderthals have been found, at sites ranging from southern England to continental Europe and the Middle East.

AFP

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España no perdió Gibraltar en una guerra con UK,España estaba sumida en una guerra civil entre los partidarios de Felipe V y los partidarios de Carlos (III),es la llamada guerra de sucesión (1700-1714),ingleses y holandeses apoyaban al candidato de Austria y Francia al Borbón,en el transcurso de la guerra, ingleses,holandeses y españoles partidarios de Carlos tomaron Gibraltar (Agosto de 1704),pero los ingleses izaron su bandera y expulsaron a la población civil española,desde entonces estamos así...

Si no sabes de lo que hablas no deberias ser tan rotundo,tu mensaje está lleno de insultos y mentiras y es racista e inculto,supongo que a imagen y semejanza de su autor.

Ya sabemos que Chile y UK siempre han tenido buenas relaciones (como olvidar aquellas imágenes de Pinochet en Londres recibiendo a la Baronesa Thatcher,cuando estaba a punto de ser extraditado a España...).

Así nos va a los iberoamericanos,divididos y enfrentados,mientras algunos os dedicais a insultar a vuestros vecinos y hermanos y a tiraros a los pies de los ingleses...

que triste

Ustedes firmaron un tratado que si mal no recuerdo, es el Tratado de Utrecht donde ceden a perpetuidad Gibraltar. Por un lado, ustedes quieren que los marroquíes mantengan sus tratados y no reclamen la isla Perejil, ni las Chafarinas, ni Ceuta ni Melilla, pero quieren que a los británicos no les importen.

Después dicen que deben escuchar la voz de la gente. La gente que vive en el territorio de Gibraltar quiere ser británica. La gente que vive fuera de Gibraltar, como en San Roque, es española... y oh! sorpresa... es española. Quieren que Inglaterra siga el ejemplo de Hong Kong y Macao... pero en ese caso, sus habitantes querían ser parte de China y además, volviendo al tema en cuestión, ambas tenían seleccionado de fútbol. Si reclaman que los que viven allí son predominantemente españoles... entonces porqué no le ceden a Portugal, el pueblo de Olivenza, donde son predominantemente lusitanos.

Los reclamos de España sobre Gibraltar no tienen asidero. Llevan 300 años reclamando por algo que perdieron que no les afecta ni su economía, solo les afecta el orgullo.

Insultos? Mentiras? Racista? Inculto? Si tú quieres mantener tu visión cerrada y seguir defendiendo lo indefendible, allá tú. Y si crees que es "racismo" decir que España está perdiendo el tiempo, allá tú.

Y si Chile tiene buenas relaciones con el Reino Unido, cuál es el problema? Acaso aún creen que dominan las políticas internas de nuestro país? Chile también tiene buenas relaciones diplomáticas con España y por mí que al desgraciado de Pinochet lo hubieran juzgado en cualquier parte menos acá.

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Ustedes firmaron un tratado que si mal no recuerdo, es el Tratado de Utrecht donde ceden a perpetuidad Gibraltar. Por un lado, ustedes quieren que los marroquíes mantengan sus tratados y no reclamen la isla Perejil, ni las Chafarinas, ni Ceuta ni Melilla, pero quieren que a los británicos no les importen.

Después dicen que deben escuchar la voz de la gente. La gente que vive en el territorio de Gibraltar quiere ser británica. La gente que vive fuera de Gibraltar, como en San Roque, es española... y oh! sorpresa... es española. Quieren que Inglaterra siga el ejemplo de Hong Kong y Macao... pero en ese caso, sus habitantes querían ser parte de China y además, volviendo al tema en cuestión, ambas tenían seleccionado de fútbol. Si reclaman que los que viven allí son predominantemente españoles... entonces porqué no le ceden a Portugal, el pueblo de Olivenza, donde son predominantemente lusitanos.

Los reclamos de España sobre Gibraltar no tienen asidero. Llevan 300 años reclamando por algo que perdieron que no les afecta ni su economía, solo les afecta el orgullo.

Insultos? Mentiras? Racista? Inculto? Si tú quieres mantener tu visión cerrada y seguir defendiendo lo indefendible, allá tú. Y si crees que es "racismo" decir que España está perdiendo el tiempo, allá tú.

Y si Chile tiene buenas relaciones con el Reino Unido, cuál es el problema? Acaso aún creen que dominan las políticas internas de nuestro país? Chile también tiene buenas relaciones diplomáticas con España y por mí que al desgraciado de Pinochet lo hubieran juzgado en cualquier parte menos acá.

el Tratado de Utrecht fué firmado por Francia en nuestro nombre,nunca hemos dejado de reclamar Gibraltar.

en 1963 Franco y Hassan II se entrevistaron en Barajas y acordaron que España entregaria Ifni a Marruecos y no daria la independencia al Sahara,asi mismo acordaron que Marruecos esperaria a que España recuperara Gibraltar antes de reclamar Ceuta,Melilla y las islas y peñones adyacentes,en el verano de 2002 Marruecos ocupó Perejil porque España y UK estaban a punto de firmar un acuerdo de soberania compartida sobre Gibraltar,que finalmente no se firmó por desacuerdo sobre la base naval y sobre la duración de la cosoberania...

Nos parece bien que los habitantes de Gibraltar quieran ser británicos,pero el territorio en el que viven en español...

A los habitantes de Hong Kong y Macao nunca se les preguntó si querian ser chinos o no,se les impuso el acuerdo y tienen federación de futbol en FIFA porque entraron antes de cambiara la legislación en los noventa,desde entonces hay que ser un estado miembro de la ONU para entrar...

¿Olivenza? sus habitantes son españoles y no quieren saber nada de Portugal,no es un caso equiparable a Gibraltar,no es una colonia,en todo caso es un problema fronterizo,como Alsacia-Lorena entre Francia y Alemania o la salida al mar que Bolivia os reclama.

La reclamación de Gibraltar tiene solidos asideros:las resoluciones de la ONU que indican que Gibraltar es parte histórica de España y no puede ser independiente,el mismo Tratado de Utrecht que incluye una clausula de retrocesión y sobre todo el sentido común:un pueblo de Andalucia no debe ser inglés,debe ser español.Además si nos afecta la economia porque Gibraltar vive del contrabando y la evasión fiscal desde España,no es solo una cuestión de orgullo...

Te informo de que ni Ceuta,ni Melilla ni Olivenza se han planteado nunca en la ONU.

Y si,eres un racista,por insultar a los argentinos y por reirte de una justa reclamación española,y además eres un ingenio por creerte que sois amigos de los ingleses,como dijo Lord Palmerston "Gran Bretaña no tiene amigos ni enemigos,solo intereses"...

Puedes estar seguro que si algún dia (Dios no lo quiera) Chile necesitara ayuda frente a una catástrofe natural o agresión externa antes le llegaria ayuda desde la "malvada" madre patria que desde vuestros amigos de las Falklands...

At that age, you should be mature enough to realise that the wishes of the people who live there are, or at least should be paramount. The last time this was mooted, the people of Gibraltar were up in arms, and quite rightly so, because nobody had consulted them. The key to any change in the sovereignty of Gibraltar is the consent of those who live there.

Resolutions that can't be enforced, raking up what happened 300 years ago, etc, etc, doesn't help you deal with what you need to deal with, which is the reality here and now. Until the Spanish authorities recognise that, there is no way there will be a change to Gibraltar's sovereignty. The people won't stand for it.

And as for the Spanish FA protesting about Gibraltar joining UEFA, can it get much more pathetic?

We don´t want to play against Gibraltar,perhaps they win us...

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