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Summer:

First off, Baseball and Softball should return in grand fashion, with the addition of Men's Softball and Women's Baseball!

Then, my dream Olympic program (with additions noted, and deletions struckthrough) would look like this:

* Archery

* Aquatics

* Athletics

* Badminton

* Baseball (Plus Women's; Home Run Derby)

* Basketball (Plus 3-Point Contest, Slam Dunk Contest)

* Boxing

* Canoe/Kayak

* Cycling

* Equestrian

* Fencing

* Field Hockey

* Gymanstics

* Handball

* Inline Skating (Racing, Synchrnoized, Tricks)

* Judo

* Water Polo

* Rowing

* Weightlifting

* Diving

* Softball (Plus Men's)

* Takewondo

* Tennis

* Table Tennis

* Shooting

* Triathalon

* Modern Penthalon

* Beach Volleyball

* Volleyball

* Sailing

* Yachting

* Bowling

* Surfing

* Wrestling

* Ballroom Dancing

Lets point out some things

Beach and indoor volleyball are the same sport

Yachting and sailing - same thing

there is no way the IOC would allow all-star garage into the Olympics as you suggest in baseball and basketball

ballroom dancing will never, ever be an olympic sport

surfing is impossible, it would mean that only certain areas could host the games and none of them in Europe because of the waters needed for proper waves

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Obviously they don't because there is no Olympic golf.

OK, with the massive price tags on these events as they are, who's gonna pay for all these new sports? I think the trick is to downsize, not supersize the Olympics. Although McDonalds might like that as a marketing ploy.

Some of you are so funny. You say add more sports and give the Games to Africa. And while you are at it, why not give a Ferrari to everyone who has a ticket for the Opening Ceremony and treat all athletes with mansions and helicopters.

If Vancouver, Torino, Athens and Salt Lake had money and planning problems with the Games as they are, how on earth can you make bigger games and expect Africa to pay for it.

Priorities, people.

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Kendegra, I think Rogge has the right idea of switching sports in an out, but I think that they are going about it in the wrong way.

Also I find it strange that they want to limit the number of events, whats wrong with adding 5 more swimming events to bring it in line with the world championships, come on is it that hard to pay an extra 2500 dollars for 5 more sets of medals? Same with rowing, canoe/kayak, wrestling (come on the **** on, the IOC has no right to change the classic classes to save a couple grand)

Maybe the IOC should do what I did for the 2028 and take a leaf out of the commonwealth games, have a set lists of sports and a secondary list of sports that the host can choose. Of course the IOC and the IFs would be pissed at that idea.

Also is it really hard to put golf in, any city that has the capablity to bid has a major course near by, also the course can completely run the event like in the PGA. Plus only about 5,000 dollars in medals.

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Kendegra, I think Rogge has the right idea of switching sports in an out, but I think that they are going about it in the wrong way.

Also I find it strange that they want to limit the number of events, whats wrong with adding 5 more swimming events to bring it in line with the world championships, come on is it that hard to pay an extra 2500 dollars for 5 more sets of medals? Same with rowing, canoe/kayak, wrestling (come on the **** on, the IOC has no right to change the classic classes to save a couple grand)

Maybe the IOC should do what I did for the 2028 and take a leaf out of the commonwealth games, have a set lists of sports and a secondary list of sports that the host can choose. Of course the IOC and the IFs would be pissed at that idea.

Also is it really hard to put golf in, any city that has the capablity to bid has a major course near by, also the course can completely run the event like in the PGA. Plus only about 5,000 dollars in medals.

I suppose the problem with extra events in swimming and wrestling etc is not so much the cost for medals, rather that it boosts the athlete numbers, which is where most people point to bloating. That said, I agree with you _ surely it can't be more expensive to keep or add an extra event to a sport like swimming, rather than plan whole new sports like squash or whatever which require whole new venues (and yes, I know it wasn't added, but it's still talked about)?

I've always been an advocate of a variation on the Commonwealth games formula myself. Indeed, I seem to remember that when the whole baseball/softball/replacements issue was debated by the IOC last year, someone (Rogge? Pound?) did hint that such a formula was being considered.

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Rols, in swimming the swimmers are generally the same from the 50 to 100 and from the 800 to the 1500, so that is not the hugest problem.

Very true. Indeed, it's interesting that one of the new swimming events they have added for 2008 is the open water long distance events, which is one of the few categories which would have completely different roster of competitors.

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I don't think there's any question that introducing golf (with professional players) would generate A LOT of money for the IOC. Even if it's not popular everywhere in the world, the sport does have very large following in the US and in much of Europe, where a ton of revenue is up for grabs. And of course, there are great golfers from all corners of the world (Mike Weir in Canada, Vijay Singh in Fiji, KJ Choi in Korea, Goosen & Els in South Africa, etc.), so I think the global interest would be there.

And remember, most countries do have a choice of which events they want to air, so the nations where golf isn't very popular could always just choose not to air much of it. And it would certainly generate more interest and viewership than many of the sports that the IOC has added recently.

I think and feel that IOC wants to lower the average age of spectators and TV audience. The last sports introduced recently are (please correct me if I am wrong): tennis (back again) and table tennis '88 ( badminton and taekwondo as demo sports), badminton and baseball '92 ( taekwondo and rollers as demo sports), softball '96, taekwondo and triathlon 2000; windsurf was added ('92 ?)as new discipline among sailing sport.... In winter Olympics snowboard, free style ........

We can easily see that younghers and fashion sport are more involved (rightly or not we'll see in the middle future), that's why I think golf has more difficulties compared with rugby or squash or roller sport. Golf is still felt as middle age sport, for rich men that can pay for one day training more than for one month in other sport activities :unsure: .

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Well, the nice thing with golf is that the sport have a very big folowing in both Europe and in North America (heck, we even have this thing caled "The Golf Network" that I get on my basic sport package instead of "Fox Sport World" or someting interesting like that...), and it would bring a completely new audiance to the Olympic games (as long as pro compette...).

And as for lowering the age of the audiance, the best bet is Skateboarding, and it is yet to be a recognize sport by the IOC...

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I am a huge supported of Lawn Bowling at the Olympics, its about time the little old British and Australian ladies and men get a fair crack at Olympic gold

Hey throw in Croquet and Bocce and Petanque as well. I mean if you're going to have the Lawn Bowling venue; then it can accommodate these other 3 sports as well!

I still don't know why a few of you want Golf. It is a very boring game to watch on TV (or even live) -- I mean 4 palookas hit the ball; then everyone moves on to the next hole? :blink: One of the other reasons it's NOT going to get on the Olympic slate is: aside from the Security considerations, the IOC is getting advice from broadcast consultants as to which new sports are viable to enhance their ratings -- and golf certainly isn't one to attract new audiences.

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Hey throw in Croquet and Bocce and Petanque as well. I mean if you're going to have the Lawn Bowling venue; then it can accommodate these other 3 sports as well!

I still don't know why a few of you want Golf. It is a very boring game to watch on TV (or even live) -- I mean 4 palookas hit the ball; then everyone moves on to the next hole? :blink: One of the other reasons it's NOT going to get on the Olympic slate is: aside from the Security considerations, the IOC is getting advice from broadcast consultants as to which new sports are viable to enhance their ratings -- and golf certainly isn't one to attract new audiences.

First of all, I fully recognize that the last thing the IOC should be doing now is adding more sports to the programme. I'm simply saying that if the IOC had to add a sport tomorrow, I would want it to be golf.

Secondly, while you (and admittedly myself) find golf boring, the fact is that there are plenty of people who love to watch it, and the sport does get excellent TV ratings in the US and in parts of Europe, which of course, is where much of the IOC's money comes from. There's no question that an Olympic golf tournament would boost TV ratings in the US. Its TV appeal would be much, much higher than that of the new sports that we've seen recently such as triathlon (which I'm a huge fan of), mountain biking, or taekwondo.

I realize that golf might not have the same level of appeal in every corner of the world, but the level of buzz that Olympic golf would generate in the US and western Europe guarantees that it would be more of a ratings asset than a liability.

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I think the IOC should do away with the numerous sports that have been routinely found to be corrupt, incompetant and riddled with provable doping and judging BS, those being modern pentathlon, boxing, weightlight, also there is no need to have table tennis as an Olympic sport, its completely idiotic

The IOC should adopt a Commonwealth Games Model have the following sports as mandatory

1. Aquatics

2. Archery

3. Athletics

4. Basketball

5. Canoe/kayak

6. Cycling

7. Equestrian

8. Fencing

9. Football

10. Gymnastics

11. Handball

12. Field Hockey

13. Judo

14. Rowing

15. Sailing

16. Shooting

17. Tennis

18. Triathlon

19. Volleyball

20. Wrestling

and then have

1. Baseball

2. Boxing

3. Modern Pentathlon

4. Softball

5. Table Tennis

6. Weightlifting

7. Badminton

8. Taekwondo

9. Lawn Bowling

10. Golf

11. Karate

12. Racquetball

13. Rugby 7's

14. Squash

15. Water Skiing

has additional sports that a host can select between 4 and 10, it would mean smaller cities could choose less sports as additions, allow the bigger ones to include more sports if they wish, allow for hosts to pick sports that there country is good at to get the home crowds, and give some interest in the sports program from games to games

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First of all, I fully recognize that the last thing the IOC should be doing now is adding more sports to the programme. I'm simply saying that if the IOC had to add a sport tomorrow, I would want it to be golf.

Secondly, while you (and admittedly myself) find golf boring, the fact is that there are plenty of people who love to watch it, and the sport does get excellent TV ratings in the US and in parts of Europe, which of course, is where much of the IOC's money comes from. There's no question that an Olympic golf tournament would boost TV ratings in the US. Its TV appeal would be much, much higher than that of the new sports that we've seen recently such as triathlon (which I'm a huge fan of), mountain biking, or taekwondo.

I realize that golf might not have the same level of appeal in every corner of the world, but the level of buzz that Olympic golf would generate in the US and western Europe guarantees that it would be more of a ratings asset than a liability.

Can you prove it? Will, say the cost of an additional $80,000,000 (the biggest cost probably being security to guard an 18-hole golf course 24/7 for like 20 days) to include golf, equals a proportionate bump in TV viewings if golf is added to an already full 16 days of competition? I mean, golf would be just one of 29 other sports. How do you know the addition of golf will bump up ratings that much more? Actually, bowling attracts higher viewship figures (in the US) -- and that's an easy venue to secure -- so why not Bowling? The simple fact is, Golf, is a logistically problematic and borderline sport to add to another 28 sports already. If the IOC really was convinced, they would've added it by now. But they ain't.

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Can you prove it? Will, say the cost of an additional $80,000,000 (the biggest cost probably being security to guard an 18-hole golf course 24/7 for like 20 days) to include golf, equals a proportionate bump in TV viewings if golf is added to an already full 16 days of competition? I mean, golf would be just one of 29 other sports. How do you know the addition of golf will bump up ratings that much more? Actually, bowling attracts higher viewship figures (in the US) -- and that's an easy venue to secure -- so why not Bowling? The simple fact is, Golf, is a logistically problematic and borderline sport to add to another 28 sports already. If the IOC really was convinced, they would've added it by now. But they ain't.

TIGER WOODS("the MAN"), will certainly "bump" up any TV ratings when he is playing.

It has been shown that TV ratings for CBS or ABC at least triple when Tiger is anywhere near the top of the leaderborad going into the last day of play.

A sizeable percentage of the 28 sports in the Olympics have little if any following around the world more less participation in the sports. Who the hell does Modern Pentathlon or Sailing on a large scale?

You won't find the average "six pack Joe", in NYC, London, Tokyo, or Sidney, participating in these Olympic sports, but you will find them hacking a golf ball on weekends.

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I think the IOC should do away with the numerous sports that have been routinely found to be corrupt, incompetant and riddled with provable doping and judging BS, those being modern pentathlon, boxing, weightlight, also there is no need to have table tennis as an Olympic sport, its completely idiotic

The IOC should adopt a Commonwealth Games Model have the following sports as mandatory

1. Aquatics

2. Archery

3. Athletics

4. Basketball

5. Canoe/kayak

6. Cycling

7. Equestrian

8. Fencing

9. Football

10. Gymnastics

11. Handball

12. Field Hockey

13. Judo

14. Rowing

15. Sailing

16. Shooting

17. Tennis

18. Triathlon

19. Volleyball

20. Wrestling

and then have

1. Baseball

2. Boxing

3. Modern Pentathlon

4. Softball

5. Table Tennis

6. Weightlifting

7. Badminton

8. Taekwondo

9. Lawn Bowling

10. Golf

11. Karate

12. Racquetball

13. Rugby 7's

14. Squash

15. Water Skiing

has additional sports that a host can select between 4 and 10, it would mean smaller cities could choose less sports as additions, allow the bigger ones to include more sports if they wish, allow for hosts to pick sports that there country is good at to get the home crowds, and give some interest in the sports program from games to games

Morning Faster,

The IOC chooses every four years the city for the next Games.

Each International Federation (IF) has its projects for the medium future and so the National Oly Committees. How can those organizations study and built a project for their sport activities if after four years 1, 2 or more sports are out of the official list ?

The cost for the preparation of 1 high level competitor is, for example, more than 1 million € and then ? The sport venues and other facilities, the money invested are different for Olympic or Non Olympic sport, a national sport federation receives support from Sport Authorities depending on its status: in or out of OG. So all the sports apart from the main ones must live with this gost and danger: the next year, what will happen to my status, olympic or not ? Who can make a real and serious development program ? 4 years in, 4 years out, again inside after 4 years........ :blink:

Best regards

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I totaly agree with Logic. Faster, that system work with the Comonthwealth games becose it is not a major sporting event. I mean, how many kids that dream is to win a Comonthwealth medal do you know?

But its diferent for the Olympic. Contry's will develop athleat specificly for them.

How would you feel if you trained all your life in, say, badminton, and that at the moment where you are at the prime of your career, blam, no badminton 2 Olympics in a row becose no venues are available, comme back in 12 years...

And besside, Table Tennis is awsome. Did you even ever played/watched it, Faster?

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Can you prove it? Will, say the cost of an additional $80,000,000 (the biggest cost probably being security to guard an 18-hole golf course 24/7 for like 20 days) to include golf, equals a proportionate bump in TV viewings if golf is added to an already full 16 days of competition? I mean, golf would be just one of 29 other sports. How do you know the addition of golf will bump up ratings that much more? Actually, bowling attracts higher viewship figures (in the US) -- and that's an easy venue to secure -- so why not Bowling? The simple fact is, Golf, is a logistically problematic and borderline sport to add to another 28 sports already. If the IOC really was convinced, they would've added it by now. But they ain't.

For one, the PGA has the third & fourth rounds of most of its tournaments carried on network television and the PBA doesn't have any. That tells you right away that golf is far more valued in the TV ratings game. The final round rating for this year's Tiger-less US Open was a 5.1, which was one of the lowest in years. And when you look at the final day of Masters coverage, with Tiger in the hunt, the Nielsen rating was 10.3. Even the paltry 5.2 is a relatively strong rating for a weekend afternoon program. Outside of NASCAR or pro football (neither of which will ever happen), golf is the most popular sport in America which is not currently on the Olympic programme.

Also, if it's so impossible to secure an 18-hole golf course, how does the IOC manage to secure the equestrian cross-country course every four years? I realize that a club full of millionaire golfers would probably be a higher profile place to stage an "attack," but the venues for the two sports seem to be fairly similar. And how about a 26-mile marathon course? The IOC manages to pull that off twice every Olympiad with little to no incident.

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I totaly agree with Logic. Faster, that system work with the Comonthwealth games becose it is not a major sporting event. I mean, how many kids that dream is to win a Comonthwealth medal do you know?

But its diferent for the Olympic. Contry's will develop athleat specificly for them.

How would you feel if you trained all your life in, say, badminton, and that at the moment where you are at the prime of your career, blam, no badminton 2 Olympics in a row becose no venues are available, comme back in 12 years...

And besside, Table Tennis is awsome. Did you even ever played/watched it, Faster?

What about all the athletes is the 15 sports listed that will never get a chance at Olympic gold if the program stays the same.

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What about all the athletes is the 15 sports listed that will never get a chance at Olympic gold if the program stays the same.

1. Baseball ( out from London 2012)

2. Boxing ( very serious proposals to put out)

3. Modern Pentathlon ( very serious proposals to put out)

4. Softball ( out from London 2012)

5. Table Tennis (in the program, very popular, no venue cost, loved by younghers..)

6. Weightlifting ( very serious proposals to put out)

7. Badminton (in the program, very popular, no venue cost, loved by younghers..)

8. Taekwondo (in the program, very popular, no venue cost, loved by younghers..

and, beside, DON'T TOUCH TAEKWONDO!! :angry:) :D:D

9. Lawn Bowling ( not to be even discussed)

10. Golf ( no real possibility in the near future, I think)

11. Karate (already Taekwondo, Judo, Wrestling; no contact system: how can you judge it?)

12. Racquetball ( already tennis, badminton, ......)

13. Rugby 7's (in front of the door); (knock knock knocking on IOC dooor.. :lol: Up with Bob!)

14. Squash (in front of the door);

15. Water Skiing (against Olympic Chart: use of engine)

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Also, if it's so impossible to secure an 18-hole golf course, how does the IOC manage to secure the equestrian cross-country course every four years? I realize that a club full of millionaire golfers would probably be a higher profile place to stage an "attack," but the venues for the two sports seem to be fairly similar. And how about a 26-mile marathon course? The IOC manages to pull that off twice every Olympiad with little to no incident.

Yes, but do you know any X-cross Equestrian who is his/her sport's superstar as Tiger Woods is to Golf or Beckham is to soccer? And these X-country courses are used for only, like 3 days -- and the "targets" are unlike the golf athletes and their 'spectators,' because the equestrians do NOT stay in one spot -- and the spectators are NOT in defined locations -- meaning the positions of both the athletes, horses and spectators are all VERY random.

Whereas, Golf has people in a stationary spot for most of the time. If the IOC and an Organizing COmmittee will foot the bill to have, what? a 2.5 mile perimeter for a standard golf course, guarded 24/7, with guard towers and lights at night (to make it look like a penitentiary or, much worse, a concentration camp), then fine. But can you risk hundreds of people being blown up if a terrorist or 2 manage to sneak in under the cover of darkness (as the murderers in Munich did) and lay delayed land mines around, say, Holes #17 and #18; and a few access paths around it?

Just picture it: when Tiger and the other golf superstars and a crowd of several hundreds are in a semi-final round, a remote-controlled button is switched...and BINGO!! This is better than a marketplace in Baghdad!!

Yeah, that'll certainly bump up your TV ratings!! :blink:

As for a marathon. No, it is impossible to guard the whole 26-mile race -- which is why you have insane moments like that crazy ex-priest in Athens. But that race is sacred and has been there since the ancient Olympics -- and no terrorist will force that change. But after the first few miles -- athletes and spectators are quite staggered so that if anyone attempts to blow anything up; perhaps the fatalities are in the low 2 digits rather than in the hundreds. But let there be bloodshed on the marathon route, and you bet they will try to guard the whole 26 mile course which can be easily enough guarded during daylight hours. And it is used only 2x during the course of the Games.

As for a golf course, do you not see how much of a tempting target you are presenting to terrorists with a golf tournament in the Olympics -- and at what price do you want to risk it? 9-11 would never have happened if US airlines were not as trusting; and did as El Al has been doing since the 1970s - seal off the cockpit door once the flight takes off -- and just assume that someone on board may want to penetrate the cockpit given the chance. 1972 would never have happened if the Village perimeter was guarded 24/7 with lights and dogs all around.

But go ahead if you don't believe me.

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1. Baseball ( out from London 2012)

2. Boxing ( very serious proposals to put out)

3. Modern Pentathlon ( very serious proposals to put out)

4. Softball ( out from London 2012)

5. Table Tennis (in the program, very popular, no venue cost, loved by younghers..)

6. Weightlifting ( very serious proposals to put out)

7. Badminton (in the program, very popular, no venue cost, loved by younghers..)

8. Taekwondo (in the program, very popular, no venue cost, loved by younghers..

and, beside, DON'T TOUCH TAEKWONDO!! :angry:) :D:D

9. Lawn Bowling ( not to be even discussed)

10. Golf ( no real possibility in the near future, I think)

11. Karate (already Taekwondo, Judo, Wrestling; no contact system: how can you judge it?)

12. Racquetball ( already tennis, badminton, ......)

13. Rugby 7's (in front of the door); (knock knock knocking on IOC dooor.. :lol: Up with Bob!)

14. Squash (in front of the door);

15. Water Skiing (against Olympic Chart: use of engine)

Water Skiing is a recongized sport by the IOC, therefore it qualifies for entiry into the games.

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Well, you don't exactly start training in Water Skiing in the hope of wining an Olympic medal, now do you?

What about all the athletes is the 15 sports listed that will never get a chance at Olympic gold if the program stays the same.
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Water Skiing is a recongized sport by the IOC, therefore it qualifies for entiry into the games.

The list of recognized sport is very long, comprising chess, Tug of war, Mountaineering and Climbing, bridge, motorcycle.........

A recognized sport IS NOT an Olympic sport.

The Program Committee of IOC says that to enter the OG the sport must not use engine of any tipe.

Bst rgds

Logic

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The list of recognized sport is very long, comprising chess, Tug of war, Mountaineering and Climbing, bridge, motorcycle.........

A recognized sport IS NOT an Olympic sport.

The Program Committee of IOC says that to enter the OG the sport must not use engine of any tipe.

Bst rgds

Logic

I agree with that -- otherwise you would have the environment-raping NASCAR in there, too.

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