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I mean really.

Chicago - oh we don't like the athletics/ceremony temp stadium plan. Hey - a better legacy is viable venues - not excessive white elephants dumbarses.

Los Angeles - they want them to reconsider their clustering. Well the fact that, what, 80% are EXISTING venues unless you have a bloody big removal truck how exactly do you expect that to happen?

San Francisco - oh maybe you can't build a stadium on time. Well Athens had a stadium before they won the bid and it was still touch and go if they could have the bloody roof in place on time. Who cares - roll the dice. The half finished Montreal Stadium wasnt a bad look.

Houston - well, again potentially the best and most financially astute plan goes bye byes.

Philadelphia - hmm, was never sure of this one - but surely it can't have had any worse plans than the other 4. And Philadelphia has a high profile - I am a big fan of the cream cheese and the movie.

USOC WAKE UP!

Stop being so finicky - no bid from anywhere has even been 100% perfect. Sydney, SLC, Torino, Beijing, Barcelona, Vancouver - all had weakenesses that were overcome with fine marketing and a bit of luck. Just get in the ring and be done with it.

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I mean really.

Chicago - oh we don't like the athletics/ceremony temp stadium plan. Hey - a better legacy is viable venues - not excessive white elephants dumbarses.

Los Angeles - they want them to reconsider their clustering. Well the fact that, what, 80% are EXISTING venues unless you have a bloody big removal truck how exactly do you expect that to happen?

San Francisco - oh maybe you can't build a stadium on time. Well Athens had a stadium before they won the bid and it was still touch and go if they could have the bloody roof in place on time. Who cares - roll the dice. The half finished Montreal Stadium wasnt a bad look.

Houston - well, again potentially the best and most financially astute plan goes bye byes.

Philadelphia - hmm, was never sure of this one - but surely it can't have had any worse plans than the other 4. And Philadelphia has a high profile - I am a big fan of the cream cheese and the movie.

USOC WAKE UP!

Stop being so finicky - no bid from anywhere has even been 100% perfect. Sydney, SLC, Torino, Beijing, Barcelona, Vancouver - all had weakenesses that were overcome with fine marketing and a bit of luck. Just get in the ring and be done with it.

There is nothing wrong with what the USOC is doing. They are still in the evaluation process and are looking to help each city improve their bids as much as possible. To get the best bid possible from each city you must nit pick and find every possible fault possible because if the city does not know the fault then they cannot fix it. There is no rush to select a city and the USOC is doing the right thing by taking their time and evaluating each city then helping that city improve their bid.

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There is nothing wrong with what the USOC is doing. They are still in the evaluation process and are looking to help each city improve their bids as much as possible. To get the best bid possible from each city you must nit pick and find every possible fault possible because if the city does not know the fault then they cannot fix it. There is no rush to select a city and the USOC is doing the right thing by taking their time and evaluating each city then helping that city improve their bid.

Yeah, yeah, rye - we know that. Except our compadres at USOC are just proceeding about this too slow for our tastes here. We want impulsive bids; bids that flash & spark in a minute and then crash and burn. Otherwise, what would be left to...discus? :lol:

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you unfortunately have to move this slow and cautiously when two of the three cities you are dealing with have rather large problems that don't seem to be getting fixed and are floundering in some regards, and another which has hosted twice before (once being recently)....I don't blame them for going about it this way when that is what you are dealing with

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Yeah, yeah, rye - we know that. Except our compadres at USOC are just proceeding about this too slow for our tastes here. We want impulsive bids; bids that flash & spark in a minute and then crash and burn. Otherwise, what would be left to...discus? :lol:

I know what you mean,but organisations like the USOC and IOC are not going to move at speeds just to suit our convenience! We're all jumping up and down here on Gamesbids like a bunch of impatient kids (Give it me now now now,I want it now now now...) but out there in the real world,real,tough decisions are having to be made and no-one's going to be rushed into making them!

I know it's boring,but we frustrated kids here on Gamesbids will just have to suck on our lollipops and learn to be patient!!

"All good things come to those who wait!" (or some such cliche!!! ) ;)B)

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ya know arwebb, you don't alwyas have to reply on every post. :rolleyes:

Well, thank you so much for pointing that out. I shall sleep far more soundly in my bed tonight for knowing that. That's saved me a whole night's worth of sleeping tablets.

Anyway, don't we all know that the one city that was the shoe-in for 2016 isn't in the American contest?

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True, and it may be that the USOC get a bit lucky and find that the 2016 field may not be the strongest ever assembled. It certainly won't be as strong as 2012, I wouldn't have thought. But I'm not convinced that any of the shortlisted US cities has the same kind of 'wow' factor that New York would have. After all, there are few cities in the world that do. Of what there is to pick from, I reckon Chicago is probably the best bet.

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I remain convinced that had New York put itself forward for 2016, it would win. No question about it.

In theory,there's still plenty of time if NYC has a change of heart and is willing to talk shop with the USOC.I think the deadline for 2016 applications is around July 2007, if I'm not mistaken.

Where there's a will,there's usually a way.But there does not appear to be any will on New York's part to do it.They seem traumatised by losing so heavily in the 2012 race and have given the impression of not wanting to go through it all again,in spite of the much more favourable chances it would face for 2016!

It's a shame because the circumstances will never become so favourable for New York again for at least another decade.They have fallen off the horse at the first hurdle and don't want to get back on it.If my own city of Manchester could give it two shots in a row (with much less going for us than New York) then I can't see why the Big Apple can't?? <_<

And I thought New Yorkers were not quitters! :(

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In theory,there's still plenty of time if NYC has a change of heart and is willing to talk shop with the USOC.I think the deadline for 2016 applications is around July 2007, if I'm not mistaken.

Where there's a will,there's usually a way.But there does not appear to be any will on New York's part to do it.They seem traumatised by losing so heavily in the 2012 race and have given the impression of not wanting to go through it all again,in spite of the much more favourable chances it would face for 2016!

It's a shame because the circumstances will never become so favourable for New York again for at least another decade.They have fallen off the horse at the first hurdle and don't want to get back on it.If my own city of Manchester could give it two shots in a row (with much less going for us than New York) then I can't see why the Big Apple can't?? <_<

And I thought New Yorkers were not quitters! :(

I totally agree with you and arwebb....as well as with baron's last point....it is a real shame what has happened, but I guess what's done is done...at least for right now

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True, and it may be that the USOC get a bit lucky and find that the 2016 field may not be the strongest ever assembled. It certainly won't be as strong as 2012, I wouldn't have thought. But I'm not convinced that any of the shortlisted US cities has the same kind of 'wow' factor that New York would have. After all, there are few cities in the world that do. Of what there is to pick from, I reckon Chicago is probably the best bet.

I believe that Chicago does have the "wow" power that the IOC is looking for. It is time that the rest of worlds discovers it too.

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I suppose one issue is the fact that New York is already one of the world's leading cities and doesn't necessarily need to stage an Olympic Games to prove it. If the political will to make it work is not there, it won't work.

Of course New York doesn't need the Games,anymore than London or Paris does.All three are world cities whose reputation stands by itself! But they all appreciated the extra kudos and the extra shot in the arm for their economies,that little bit more edge that staging the world's greatest sporting festival would bring them,otherwise none of them would have bothered applying for them in the first place! London got lucky on its first attempt at a bid (after Manchester's two failed Olympic bids and successful staging of the 2002 Commonwealth Games, paved the way for them) while Paris at least tried for them twice in a row (plus a third attempt twenty years earlier).But New York seems to have given up after one attempt!

One has to ask the question,why if the political will was so strong for 2012,it has completely evaporated when they would have had an even better chance for 2016? It just looks so illogical and strange and,dare I say it,cowardly!!

I can only repeat,what has happened to New York's much vaunted can-do spirit??

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The reality here is that NYC chose not to bid again. For what reason? We just don't know.

There's always that can-do spirit that you'll find with New Yorkers and I can guarantee you it's still alive and kicking. As what I and some NY supporters here have talked about the past year here on the boards, NYC has a lot of options to go to, if the venues for 2012 won't be available. And the options are just not Plan A and Plan B, we can go Plan A, Plan B, Plan C, etc, etc, and it would still be enticing to the USOC and IOC, and the city would still be able to fulfill its promise, as what it is doing right now.

Plus organizing a bid is not an easy task. Raising up $50M also wouldn't be easy. Of course it's not a problem to fund it, but it won't be easy to talk corporations in giving that type of money again, specially after a failed attempt on getting the games. Corporations can sometimes get hesitant on a project specially if they can't get what they paid for. If the USOC fails to convince the IOC it can host for 2016, NYC could put itself again in the race as it would have recovered from the humuliating loss it experienced last year. It all depends on who'll be Mayor and if the economy at that time would allow it. Venue-wise, NYC would still have the most number of new and state-of-the-art stadiums and arenas at that time, and we could still use some more.

As time passes by, and with the projects that are happening here in the city, it really looks like, the USOC decided not to let NYC bid again, in other words, banning the city from bidding for 2016. We have lots of choices that will be easier to follow up on, than what we had on 2012. Sure we had a great bid for 2012, but we could've done better and honestly, we could've won 2012 if not for the West Side Stadium debacle and the stupid $250M insurance plan, in violation of the IOC Charter.

What's done is done and yes, NYC still has time to convince the USOC that the city can do it. But it's very unlikely and it's possible that NYC won't be able to take advantage of the great timing for North America to stage another succesful games.

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The IOC would love to have a South American 2016 games. Europe's and Asia's chances are low because of London and Beijing. Canada is out because of Vancouver 2010.

The USOC needs to pick the best chance of success from the 3 cities against a world wide and IOC anti-American sentiment. 3rd time for LA right after a 3rd time for London while Africa and S.America never hosted? Not likely, although LA has the facilities to host the Oympics in the next month, and is a logical choice. Chicago and SF both have main stadium problems. The only hope for SF is a 49er stadium with a temporary 400 meter track. Chicago is just not very attractive to the rest of the world, i.e. IOC. There's nothing attractive in Chicago in August.

I think it's going to be either Argentina or Brazil, provided they can come up with a decent bid.

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The IOC would love to have a South American 2016 games.

I think it's going to be either Argentina or Brazil, provided they can come up with a decent bid.

Highly unlikely. You're the first one I've heard to make such a pronouncement. :rolleyes:

But you must be speaking about FIFA. Yes, FIFA has said it hopes Brazil will get the WC for 2014. So a 15 billon dollar World Cup, followed by another 10 billion dollar Olympics in 2 years. WOuld Brazil and/or Argentina belong to the G8 by then to afford such extravaganzae?

As far as anti-American sentiment in the IOC (you only need the votes of around 65 members; so the rest of the world doesn't matter), uhmmm...of the 100 or so IOC and other sports federation honchos that the USOC polled in private, I think only 3 were negative about a US bid for 2016. So, anti-American sentiment at 3% really isn't so bad. Besides, Mr. Bush will be out of office 4 months after the Beijing Games. So somebody new will be at the helm by Copenhagen 2009. She may even come to Copenhagen as she has done for Lillehammer, Atlanta, Nagano, Salt Lake, Athens, Singapore and I think Torino. I think no U.S. First Lady-senator- possible future President has attended as many Olympic functions as Sen. Hillary Clinton.

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"So somebody new will be at the helm by Copenhagen 2009. She may even come to Copenhagen as she has done for Lillehammer, Atlanta, Nagano, Salt Lake, Athens, Singapore and I think Torino. I think no U.S. First Lady-senator- possible future President has attended as many Olympic functions as Sen. Hillary Clinton."

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And she did so much good for the NY 2012 bid.

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"So somebody new will be at the helm by Copenhagen 2009. She may even come to Copenhagen as she has done for Lillehammer, Atlanta, Nagano, Salt Lake, Athens, Singapore and I think Torino. I think no U.S. First Lady-senator- possible future President has attended as many Olympic functions as Sen. Hillary Clinton."

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And she did so much good for the NY 2012 bid.

But as President, she would have a much larger impact.

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But as President, she would have a much larger impact.

I certainly like the idea of the records she would create; First Female President,First Wife To Succeed Her Husband As President!

After years of putting up with sexually incontinent males (Kennedy and Clinton),crooks and conmen (Nixon) and trigger-happy right-wing nutters (Reagan and Dubya),it might make a refreshing change to have a woman running the show!

Is there a realistic possibility of this happening?

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I certainly like the idea of the records she would create; First Female President,First Wife To Succeed Her Husband As President!

After years of putting up with sexually incontinent males (Kennedy and Clinton),crooks and conmen (Nixon) and trigger-happy right-wing nutters (Reagan and Dubya),it might make a refreshing change to have a woman running the show!

Is there a realistic possibility of this happening?

At this point, yes it is realistic.

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