Durban Sandshark Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Great vids, it's the first time i watch the pre-show of this great ceremonies. Thanks christos.Check out this vid. It's from the BBC news (i think) of the Opening Ceremony of Barcelona 92 olympics. Take a look at 02:34 part. You can see a different perpective from the outside of the stadium when Rebollo shooted the famous flaming arrow, as we know already, the arrow never reached for real the cauldron (anyway, it's still the best lighting of the flame ever) Not BBC but Australian (maybe Nine). Why? First of all, can you think any other nation other than Australia would have an on-camera interview with Dawn Fraser Jr going into Montjuic Stadium? And what about giving the Aussies marching significant TV news report time with accompanying voiceovers from Bruce McAveney (or was that Sandy Roberts?) and a female commentator (name missing)--I saw shots of legendary Boomers Damian Keough, Shane Heal, and Phil Smyth during that speaking of their freshly casual dress for it (I'm a Yank who happens to have an Aussie obsession)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filipe_Golias Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 That the arrow didn't fly directly into the cauldron was clear from the beginning -- since you could see the arrow going down behind the cauldron, even in the official camera perspective. I always thought that they had a huge jet of gas shooting out of the cauldron so that when the arrow flew through that jet, the cauldron could be ignited, too.But what is more important: Look closely at the "different perspective" pictures and you'll see that the flames shot up from the base of the cauldron. Shouldn't it rather be the other way round? When the arrow flew through that (alleged) jet of gas, shouldn't the flame have shot down from that point to the base of the cauldron? So I think it's true: The cauldron in Barcelona never was ignited by the original Olympic flame, just like the cauldron in Torino. It's undeniable that the flamed arrow never lit the cauldron, as seen by the stadium's exterior angle. But everytime I watch the official televised video of the arrow rising up the cauldron, I'm not convinced that one actually can see the arrow passing behind it in a descending direction. I see a bit of a flame sparkle falling behind the cauldron but I think it's a consequence of the flame bursting ignition than the arrow itself; just check its path and velocity - that supposed "flamed arrow" appears later than it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY20?? Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 It's undeniable that the flamed arrow never lit the cauldron, as seen by the stadium's exterior angle. But everytime I watch the official televised video of the arrow rising up the cauldron, I'm not convinced that one actually can see the arrow passing behind it in a descending direction. I see a bit of a flame sparkle falling behind the cauldron but I think it's a consequence of the flame bursting ignition than the arrow itself; just check its path and velocity - that supposed "flamed arrow" appears later than it should. That's the thing. After the arrow passes over the cauldron, it doesn’t necessarily descend right away. But instead, it continues on a somewhat horizontal angle for some time (as seen in the perspective from outside the stadium) that would explain the lateness of the "flamed arrow" on the offical video. But what is more important: Look closely at the "different perspective" pictures and you'll see that the flames shot up from the base of the cauldron. Shouldn't it rather be the other way round? When the arrow flew through that (alleged) jet of gas, shouldn't the flame have shot down from that point to the base of the cauldron, unless of cSo I think it's true: The cauldron in Barcelona never was ignited by the original Olympic flame, just like the cauldron in Torino. I'm no expert on the field (perhaps someone on here is?), but I would assume that the flame shot from the inside base of the cauldron upwards because that was the direction the alleged jet of gas was being pumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 For the first time we're going to have some All-Africa Games Opening Ceremonies to watch on YouTube coming from Algiers. Starting with Part 1. Enjoy! 2007 All Africa Games Opening Cermony-Part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 PS: Please excuse the video quality for this and the others to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filipe_Golias Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 That's the thing. After the arrow passes over the cauldron, it doesn’t necessarily descend right away. But instead, it continues on a somewhat horizontal angle for some time (as seen in the perspective from outside the stadium) that would explain the lateness of the "flamed arrow" on the offical video. But the official TV camera's angle is ascending (from the plateau up to the cauldron base), so what is a horizontal pathway looks like a descending one. Just imagine this same video excerpt but without the cauldron there - that "flamed arrow" continues to appear later than it should to be the actual arrow. I'm saying all this just to show that the actual camera shot was very intelligent, they might not have fooled all the stadium audience - positioned in several different angles to notice the arrow not dropping on the cauldron - , but they fooled millions of TV spectators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 But the official TV camera's angle is ascending (from the plateau up to the cauldron base), so what is a horizontal pathway looks like a descending one. Just imagine this same video excerpt but without the cauldron there - that "flamed arrow" continues to appear later than it should to be the actual arrow. I'm saying all this just to show that the actual camera shot was very intelligent, they might not have fooled all the stadium audience - positioned in several different angles to notice the arrow not dropping on the cauldron - , but they fooled millions of TV spectators Millions of those people, perhaps, but it didn't fool me. I mean, what are the chances that the fire tip from the arrow was going to catch all that natural gas pluming out like that? And, I am rather surprised that someone didn't report of what happened to the arrow after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 The video of the lighting of the Olympic Flame in Ancient Olympia Lighting of the Olympic Flame I have the lighting for Salt Lake City too, but it was cloudy that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filipe_Golias Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Millions of those people, perhaps, but it didn't fool me. I mean, what are the chances that the fire tip from the arrow was going to catch all that natural gas pluming out like that? And, I am rather surprised that someone didn't report of what happened to the arrow after that. I don't know about combustion physics, but I think that even a small flying burning match would've ignited the cauldron IF it had been shooting up gas like you're saying. But I don't think it was, seeing how the flames raised up from the cauldron base making it look like it was automatically lit. Anyway, Rebollo was an experienced archer and they did say he practiced "a thousand times", so his chances were quite big and you saw that the arrow did cross over the cauldron. But I agree with you - there were many people outside the stadium that saw the arrow landing on ... ? ... and didn't say a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfm Jeremie Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Well, no one ever claimed that the arrow landed in the cauldron (it would have been way to dangerous to try to do that). The arrow is on display at the Olympic Museum in Lausanne BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTHarner Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 What's the big deal? Does anybody remember Albertville earlier in the year then the cauldron ignited just before the lighted ball reached it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durban Sandshark Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 I do... I'd like to interrupt this conversation to provide more All Africa Games 2007 Opening Ceremony in Algeria--more specifically The Parade Of Nations All Africa Games 2007 Part 2 Parade of Nations All Africa Games 2007 Part 3 Parade of Nations All Africa Games 2007 Part 4 Parade of Nations All of the athletes apparently go into the stands or surround the human-shaped African continent. The commentary is Arabic of course from Algerian TV--don't know what network or the commentators though. You'll also notice on Part 4 that after Ethiopia several African nations are missing with the telecast returning with Madagascar to Congo-Brazzaville. Missing nations include (going by the French alphabet with this being Algeria) Kenya, Libya, Liberia, Lesotho, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Gabon, The Gambia, and Equatorial Guinea. Also, it looks as though Mauritanian weren't marching from what was shown. Anyway, enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 Some videos I uploaded these days Second part of Lighting ceremony in Olympia Athletes in AthensClosing Ceremony part1 Athletes in Athens Closing Ceremony part2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian2004 Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 And here's once more a vintage treasure -- three parts of the movie "XVIII Olympiad Tokyo 1964". I'm not quite sure: Is this the official movie of the 1964 Games? However, I hope that the remaining parts are yet to come. Have fun! XVIII Olympiad Tokyo 1964 (Part 1) XVIII Olympiad Tokyo 1964 (Part 2) XVIII Olympiad Tokyo 1964 (Part 3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Great ones thanks! It's the official movie of Tokyo, I remember it when ERT had showed them all in 2000 before Sydney.And a newspaper gave them as dvds but I didnt get this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 I uploaded a video from Montreal 1976 in better quality.They didn't show much from Ceremonies and from the Olympic Flame and the way it was transported from Athens to Canada !! I would like to see this! Montreal '76 parts of ceremonies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian2004 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Oh, could you please upload the whole official video, if possible? That would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Oh, could you please upload the whole official video, if possible? That would be great! Sorry Olympian I don't have all the video.But I have the official videos from Moscow, LA, Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta (half) and Sydney.If you want anything from these tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 From Moscow official video Moscow '80 1st part Moscow '80 2nd part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian2004 Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Thanks a lot for the new videos! Well, if you like, it would be great of course if you could upload the other official movies, too. But it's not urgent -- so feel free to do it whenever you want. By the way: It's pretty telling that the Moscow organisers included the segment with all those "boycott protesters" interviews. They want to express their disgust for a political interference into sports, but at the same time they politicise their own movie with that segment. How hypocritical that is can be seen at 1:22 in the second video when they interview the group of "tourists from the Federal Republic of Germany" -- the guy on the left wears a T-shirt with what appears to me as the emblem of a West German socialist party. So there can be no surprise that those "normal German tourists" disapproved of the boycott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rav3n Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Christos, about your film of Barcelona, i'm pretty interested on watching the Closing Ceremony, it's pretty hard to find on the net, in Youtube i could find only the Friends for Life song of Sarah Brightman and Josep Carreras after the extinction of the cauldron. Ceremonies that i'm really, really interested to find are Albertville 92 and Lillehammer 94. The first one is the Athens 2004 Opening Ceremony for the Winter Olympics, very metaphorical and artistic, instead of the classic Broadway-type shows of other ceremonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I'll put more even today too.I'll post the links Yes rav3n I have Barcelona too, I'll upload from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Los Angeles Opening Ceremony 1st part Here is some of LA 1984.The 2nd will be uploaded soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoFan90 Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Christos, about your film of Barcelona, i'm pretty interested on watching the Closing Ceremony, it's pretty hard to find on the net, in Youtube i could find only the Friends for Life song of Sarah Brightman and Josep Carreras after the extinction of the cauldron. Ceremonies that i'm really, really interested to find are Albertville 92 and Lillehammer 94. The first one is the Athens 2004 Opening Ceremony for the Winter Olympics, very metaphorical and artistic, instead of the classic Broadway-type shows of other ceremonies. Yeah Christos, if you have the Atlanta Handover Presentation at the Barcelona Closing Ceremony that would be amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christos Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Los Angeles 1984 Opening Ceremony 2nd part Hi ChicagoFan! I'll search and if I find anything, it will be posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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