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I've opened a new thread. Why?

Because of the fact that this is realy turned out in a popularity contest. All the efforts that china, turkey, argentina even mexico and spain made are flushed away actually. Is this a decent voting, no. I'm not crying because Turkey didn't make the shortlist. It's not about that. As a new gamesbids member, I enjoyed of making the bidbook, on the other hand I am not pleased with the voting system. Indeed Faster (I totally didn't got a message from his side) nor Scandinavia did'nt didn't deserve this. All the hard work and jobs to put something on pdf. Why included bids without any kind of PDF presentation? Why isn't there a decent product. Where is the Scandinavia legacy on pdf that I want on my computer.?? Only a few giant sponsor logos on the Scandinavia threat won't get a single point from me. Actually I decided to boycot this game. I am not so warm anymore for another bid presentation in whatever it will be.

The only thing that I'm missing is that I am not knowed by other members. So if this is a international platform and if this forum sounds universal than every mature person have to sound international too. Its against my ethics and principles and discipline. I'm 27 years old. Not a child that's get enough with a simple candy stick.

I am about to make a statement that: if there will be for the future games a decent and democratic and transparant rules in this maybe i will take part again. But it seems that people lack rules and want to be totally in freedom. Aren't there any values left, dignity .. what are we playing here. Where is the GB fantasy bidbook heritage so that whole the world can benefit from. Scandinavia 2018 won't be on a pdf format in the archives. I shared so far all the maded bids with friends at the university. And people here in Belgium are applauding this little project as it gives them a totally new perspective in olympics and other international organisation.

LAST IMPORTANT POINT - if roltel says that the voting is like in real IOC terms, than all the false players have go to the court as in real IOC terms.

Are we little childern who are playing without any little respect for peoples talents. not mine, but several candidates bids just flushed away. The criteria have must been A PDF presentation. I don't want to play it like Faster. I don't even know him, never spoken. I got totally 3 private messages in 1 whole year. 1 from TNP, one from Ryan to participate in the 2024 SOG contest, but I was under surgery and the last one from GB MOD.

I assume that i have the democratic right to say that this is a bunche of stupidness what we are doing. What I gained here with this game. Nothing. If we want decent votings in the future. Than we must set-up decent, ethical, democratic and transparant rules ==> and than get support for it. This would or can make a breaktrough.

My appologizes, I certainly wanted to vote for Russia in this round, I was to. But I wont be voting. I won't get respect maybe, but i'll take the risico + maybe the the ultimate freedom caracter that members have will be attacked in some psychological way.. Sorry, but we have to share as educated people things on a high level to secure the level of this forum. Why degradate this beautiful forum in its quality? Does these voting rounds gives us something, nope. Nothing than a big zero. I will take a step backwards. The things were going to fast and there isn't been thought on the voting criteria verywell. The procedure before the voting was wrong. As I am not experienced in such a kind voting. Why didn't we, you and others discussed a bit on the voting system?? so everybody would have recognized the system, it would have been legimiticy. But that's never been created !!

Let everybody vote as he/she wants. Don't influence members. Everybody has his own radical mind. Winning the mayortiy isn't a plus, a big plus is to recognise the works of others and to know that scandinavia hasn't made a powerfull bid. Everybody had the same deadline. So the question is, does Scandinavia 2018 deserve this. The answer is up to you.

All love from fatix

No hard feelings, I wish all the luck to every participant.

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To long for me to read.

I know you are young, but I thought they would have taught you to READ at school! :P

I've opened a new thread. Why?

Because of the fact that this is realy turned out in a popularity contest. All the efforts that china, turkey, argentina even mexico and spain made are flushed away actually. Is this a decent voting, no. I'm not crying because Turkey didn't make the shortlist. It's not about that. As a new gamesbids member, I enjoyed of making the bidbook, on the other hand I am not pleased with the voting system. Indeed Faster (I totally didn't got a message from his side) nor Scandinavia did'nt didn't deserve this. All the hard work and jobs to put something on pdf. Why included bids without any kind of PDF presentation? Why isn't there a decent product. Where is the Scandinavia legacy on pdf that I want on my computer.?? Only a few giant sponsor logos on the Scandinavia threat won't get a single point from me. Actually I decided to boycot this game. I am not so warm anymore for another bid presentation in whatever it will be.

The only thing that I'm missing is that I am not knowed by other members. So if this is a international platform and if this forum sounds universal than every mature person have to sound international too. Its against my ethics and principles and discipline. I'm 27 years old. Not a child that's get enough with a simple candy stick.

I am about to make a statement that: if there will be for the future games a decent and democratic and transparant rules in this maybe i will take part again. But it seems that people lack rules and want to be totally in freedom. Aren't there any values left, dignity .. what are we playing here. Where is the GB fantasy bidbook heritage so that whole the world can benefit from. Scandinavia 2018 won't be on a pdf format in the archives. I shared so far all the maded bids with friends at the university. And people here in Belgium are applauding this little project as it gives them a totally new perspective in olympics and other international organisation.

LAST IMPORTANT POINT - if roltel says that the voting is like in real IOC terms, than all the false players have go to the court as in real IOC terms.

Are we little childern who are playing without any little respect for peoples talents. not mine, but several candidates bids just flushed away. The criteria have must been A PDF presentation. I don't want to play it like Faster. I don't even know him, never spoken. I got totally 3 private messages in 1 whole year. 1 from TNP, one from Ryan to participate in the 2024 SOG contest, but I was under surgery and the last one from GB MOD.

I assume that i have the democratic right to say that this is a bunche of stupidness what we are doing. What I gained here with this game. Nothing. If we want decent votings in the future. Than we must set-up decent, ethical, democratic and transparant rules ==> and than get support for it. This would or can make a breaktrough.

My appologizes, I certainly wanted to vote for Russia in this round, I was to. But I wont be voting. I won't get respect maybe, but i'll take the risico + maybe the the ultimate freedom caracter that members have will be attacked in some psychological way.. Sorry, but we have to share as educated people things on a high level to secure the level of this forum. Why degradate this beautiful forum in its quality? Does these voting rounds gives us something, nope. Nothing than a big zero. I will take a step backwards. The things were going to fast and there isn't been thought on the voting criteria verywell. The procedure before the voting was wrong. As I am not experienced in such a kind voting. Why didn't we, you and others discussed a bit on the voting system?? so everybody would have recognized the system, it would have been legimiticy. But that's never been created !!

Let everybody vote as he/she wants. Don't influence members. Everybody has his own radical mind. Winning the mayortiy isn't a plus, a big plus is to recognise the works of others and to know that scandinavia hasn't made a powerfull bid. Everybody had the same deadline. So the question is, does Scandinavia 2018 deserve this. The answer is up to you.

All love from fatix

No hard feelings, I wish all the luck to every participant.

Exactly, I havn't even read the bid presentations!

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unfortunately that is just how these competitios are, sorry

SOW, I totally understand u. Let us take a country for WC 2022 without working. And let vote on lovely countrynames, etc...

I appreciate you in all your opinions and views. I also know that there isn't much an answer on my statement. Please don't understand me wrong.

The voting actually must restart from the beginning. Every voter must have a look MINIMUM to the bids, Even he/she don't wants to read it. Don't you think. I worked more than a month in my precious free time. Offcourse we choosed to compete. But you and a few other old-members of this forum (old in the meaning of a long time member on this forum, about 3-5 persons) have to create a committe: make a transparant and a peaceful and demokratik cirteria-rulements. Finally, everybody who wants to participate (and who wants only to vote) must say a 'yes-i've read' the rules, and then we will have a healty basis for a strong bidbooks/fantasy games in the future. How long will this system grow or go? It wil stop somewhere when all the interest is gone of it. So please think about my alternatif. As old-members take to rope and be a big-brother example fur us and the new member-generations to come. it will be you and your crew that brings the right values to this forum.

Regards

fatixxx

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I understand your frustration, but the thing to remember is this is a fantasy contest played out on the Internet and there really is no way to ensure that everyone reads the bid books and adheres to the rules.

In observing these contests, participating and even winning one of them, I've realized there are 5 key success factors to winning a bid...

1 - asking and lobbying for support with semi-frequent forum updates and PM's to key members.

2 - lots of slick graphics and images in your presentation.

3 - being present on the forum throughout the bid time.

4 - a locale that is somewhat exotic, unusual or not something that would necessarily work in the real world.

5 - and to kinda only put a half-assed effort without seeming to care too much.

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No commenet anymore, cause of the fact that everybody is happy. Well gosh .. so be it. I'm totally saying another point outhere. Well on other American forums where there is a auto-control system everything works fine. The alternatif that i've wrote is functioning elsewher. But neither I or somebody else will ever get a rational answer to my alternatif, it's just a sort of lack or a don't-know-how-it- happend created culture by members here on GB.

Good luck :);)

I will read only. I'm happy with it. Tottaly over my frustration.

Thanx folx. Love u all.

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No commenet anymore, cause of the fact that everybody is happy. Well gosh .. so be it. I'm totally saying another point outhere. Well on other American forums where there is a auto-control system everything works fine. The alternatif that i've wrote is functioning elsewher. But neither I or somebody else will ever get a rational answer to my alternatif, it's just a sort of lack or a don't-know-how-it- happend created culture by members here on GB.

Good luck :);)

I will read only. I'm happy with it. Tottaly over my frustration.

Thanx folx. Love u all.

This is a Canadian forum for one thing, and two your view of the democratic process is unreasonable, unfair, illogical and impractical.

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This is a Canadian forum for one thing, and two your view of the democratic process is unreasonable, unfair, illogical and impractical.

Faster, Listen first. You even can write a directioning-question to me befor you gave a short answer like this here.

With other American forums I DID NOT MENT that this forum was American. Thats 1! And the second thing is. That what I've said about a transparent democratic proces is totally reasonable, fair logical and sure you bet it is practical. You didn't even tried it. I gave my based arguments on my explanation to underbuilt it. No one can deny that. As it is to point out my view.

3 - What you ara doing is totally unfair. You know in your mind that you are not playing it fair. But my point here is not to attack anybody. You did a wonderfull job. You won the first round by lobbying. You are an expert in this as I would say. But you even didn't wrote reasable arguments to defend your way of commenting as a reply on mine sentences. Is this all what you can get ? would be another technical question.

Please spare me this whole thing. I'm not in the game anymore. And I'm not makin' publicity for anyone. American or European or Belgian or Canadian don't makes the thing. The point was that fair fonctioning systems DO work. I wanted to give good intention to make the first step forward.

Don't say things where you will regret of. I'm thinking twice before I write something. From my side this is the last message in this case. I don't like individualising the things. Thought always in a collective way. Only want to read and write something. I'm will grow on this forum.

Faster, see it as a technical reply. I love you as a internet-friend.

greetz from Brussels. ;)

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