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I would like emphasise that I know that Olympic Games can't do that - I am just annoyed about the IOC, that it tries to "defend" its decision to hold the games in a dictatorship and still "claiming" that the country might change with these games...

Something comparable with the quote in the German new website is on the BBC-website, too:

He told the Associated Press news agency on Monday that he was engaged on a daily basis in "silent diplomacy" with Beijing on Tibet and other human rights issues.

Why should the IOC mention this if it doesn't want to give the impression to the western countries that something will change?

BBC - Olympic torch lit despite protest

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I admire your optimism Stu.

It's not necessarily an optimistic view that this summer's Olympics will change China - it just will.

What I can say though is that the more the Chinese administration feel embarrassed and backed into a corner the more negative this change is likely to be. These protesters may be prolonging the suffering of the Chinese people.

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I admire your optimism Stu.

Let's put it another way.

If it was not for the Games, the situation in Tibet and China in general wouldn't be that much under the spotlight.

I would think it will eventually have a small effect on Chinese society as a whole. When, I have no idea.

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The weather was nice! Good lighting. I just hope that Vancouver will be blessed with a break in the streak of nasty winter flame lighting weather.

I don't think the protesters will go off to the frozen tundras to jeer the Vancouver Torch.

Maybe it's time to shut down these torch relays. I think they were only good when you had the Games within running distance of Greece. Now everyone's taking them to ridiculous distances.

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There is also Ekechereia, the Olympic Truce revived by Athens 2004 and adopted by the IOC. Well we now that it is impossible for all wars to stop during the Olympic Games as in Ancient times but atleast the hosting Country should be in a polemic-free condition!!!!

I find this kind of stuff bewildering by the IOC. On one hand, they exclaim that the Games are not about politics. On the other hand, they put themselves into the extraordinary position of asking combatants the world over to lay down their arms in honour of the Olympics.

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I find this kind of stuff bewildering by the IOC. On one hand, they exclaim that the Games are not about politics. On the other hand, they put themselves into the extraordinary position of asking combatants the world over to lay down their arms in honour of the Olympics.

It's just tradition. It doesn't mean Al Qaeda or Hamas or the Tamil Tigers or the Chechnyan rebels will comply. Anyone will strike if they want to --regardless of the giant sports parties going on in Beijing, Vancouver, etc.

It makes for a very harmonious sound byte, if you will.

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There is also Ekechereia, the Olympic Truce revived by Athens 2004 and adopted by the IOC. Well we now that it is impossible for all wars to stop during the Olympic Games as in Ancient times but atleast the hosting Country should be in a polemic-free condition!!!!

I have to admit that I am a little bit superstitious - the organisators of München had the idea to implement a new tradition at the opening ceremony - "Ekecheirija" - München 1972 - with MP3-file (below) - well this Ekechereia had been broken...

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Everything getting twisted for every end there is. I guess there will be "baptism by fire" in my lifetime for sure. So, where did that "anti Olympic Games" torch go?

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I saw the Olympia lighting ceremony on the news a while ago. I was disappointed. It was too short, too stately, and too serene. I mean the world waits for this every 2 years, and it's the same old thing -- over in 5 minutes.

Why don't they make it at least like 10-15 minutes production number?

Memo to Hellenic Olympic Committee:

1. The Lighting Ceremony needs work.

2. get Pappageno. Yimou. Ric Birch and David Atkins to work up a program.

3. THere's got to be a Theme Song at least; and some temple dancing by the Vestal Vrigins and those dude Studs!!

4. A nightime ceremony I think might be more theatrical, too.

5. Maybe there should be a guest artist each time. I will name the artists you can choose from:

- Julie Andrews,

- Andrea Bocelli,

- Sarah Brightman

- Barbara Cook

- Celine Dion

- Placido Domingo,

- Angela Georgiou

- Josh Groban

- Amy Whinehouse

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Or Dame Kiri Te Kanawa.....maybe not.

:angry: NOT DAME KIRI...She's a total (AND TYPICAL MAORI MATRIACAL) BITCH!!! :angry:

:mellow: Still, watching the protesters today pretty much signals what the 2008 games are heading for. Not disaster, but an awarness that China is STILL not a trustworthy member of the global stage.

It's wrong to parallel these up coming games to 1936, but the violence shown by the communist government is a sign that a potential IOC tragidy is looming and it will be up to London to repair...As usuall.

Roll on 2012!

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It seems that the National Olympic Comittee selected on its own the torch runners in Greece (around 600 people).

In 2004 torch relay it was decided that polititians won't carry the flame. In 2008 all polititians take their blood back. No ordinary people was selected, just athletes and polititians.

Too bad...

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It seems that the National Olympic Comittee selected on its own the torch runners in Greece (around 600 people).

In 2004 torch relay it was decided that polititians won't carry the flame. In 2008 all polititians take their blood back. No ordinary people was selected, just athletes and polititians.

Too bad...

its usually only the host country that givers regular people a chance.

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